Why did Sheila have an INCREASED amount of Haloperidol in her system?

[Brietta]

It isn't spot on at all.  Its full of conjecture and factually incorrect.

The pathologist made clear he was unable to gauge the degree of force used to cause the non gsw injuries other than one that resulted in a laceration and severe superficial skin injury without underlying fractures which he said involved considerable force from a light object.  I'm a petite female and hit golf balls with considerable force using a light object.

Where's the evidence for NB's watch coming off as a result of injuries sustained?  NB did not sustain any non-gsw injuries to his left arm and the non-gsw to his right arm was restricted to his forearm.  The watch was found near the kitchen sink under a rug.

In my opinion your denial belittles the horrible, violent death which was meted out to Nevill Bamber and you underestimate the force of the violence used to beat him up like a punch bag but with a long blunt weapon, most likely the gun used to wipe out him and his family.

Unless Nevill made it a practice to leave his watch near the kitchen sink under a rug … how else would you explain how it came to be there in any way other than as a result of the sustained violation of his body as outlined by the list of the injuries inflicted on him.

[Holly Goodhead]

In my opinion your denial belittles the horrible, violent death which was meted out to Nevill Bamber and you underestimate the force of the violence used to beat him up like a punch bag but with a long blunt weapon, most likely the gun used to wipe out him and his family.

Unless Nevill made it a practice to leave his watch near the kitchen sink under a rug … how else would you explain how it came to be there in any way other than as a result of the sustained violation of his body as outlined by the list of the injuries inflicted on him.

What makes you think I know more than the pathologist who carried out the pm's who was unable to gauge the force used for all except one.  I uploaded his report for you. Did NB sustain broken bones?  No.  His skull was fractured and the other wounds amounted to abrasions, bruises and lacerations all of which JB or SC could have inflicted using a blunt object.

I'm not going to speculate about how NB's watch came to be near the kitchen sink under a rug. But what I do know is that he didn't sustain any wounds to his left arm, which was totally impaired from the gsw's sustained upstairs, and the wounds on his right arm were restricted to the ulna region.  So no I don't believe he was wearing his watch which somehow came off when he sustained injuries from a blunt instrument. 

[Myster]

A fractured skull = broken bones, does it not?

[Holly Goodhead]

He was "unable to gauge the degree of force used" in one sentence but in the next sentence he described the force as "considerable"?

Where in his dialogue does he state that the injury was caused by considerable force with a light object? He also agreed that it could have been caused by a heavy blow from a first or a lighter blow from a heavy object. I'm surprised G-Unit wasn't all over your posr like she ws mine ....... oh hang on, she's a supporter so would miss these little 'nuances'.

The fist only came into it through a question put to him by prosecuting counsel at trial. 

In a report he produced during May '86 which is in the library here.

Not sure why you're bringing G-Unit into it who is new to the case?   

[Holly Goodhead]

A fractured skull = broken bones, does it not?

Most skull fractures will heal by themselves.

I was really meaning NB did not sustain a broken arm that would require going into plaster to reset. 

[Nicholas]

What makes you think I know more than the pathologist who carried out the pm's who was unable to gauge the force used for all except one.  I uploaded his report for you. Did NB sustain broken bones?  No.  His skull was fractured and the other wounds amounted to abrasions, bruises and lacerations all of which JB or SC could have inflicted using a blunt object.

A fractured skull = broken bones, does it not?

Most skull fractures will heal by themselves.

I was really meaning NB did not sustain a broken arm that would require going into plaster to reset.

After death ?

Explain your logic & reasoning here

[Holly Goodhead]

That just isn't true and I think you know that.

What isn't true?

[Caroline]

What isn't true?

That Nevill wasn't hit with any great force.

[Brietta]

What makes you think I know more than the pathologist who carried out the pm's who was unable to gauge the force used for all except one.  I uploaded his report for you. Did NB sustain broken bones?  No.  His skull was fractured and the other wounds amounted to abrasions, bruises and lacerations all of which JB or SC could have inflicted using a blunt object.

I'm not going to speculate about how NB's watch came to be near the kitchen sink under a rug. But what I do know is that he didn't sustain any wounds to his left arm, which was totally impaired from the gsw's sustained upstairs, and the wounds on his right arm were restricted to the ulna region.  So no I don't believe he was wearing his watch which somehow came off when he sustained injuries from a blunt instrument.

Having been shot twice, I wonder how you would describe being subjected to the same blunt force trauma inflicted most likely by a rifle barrel as Nevill was.

I don't know if you have grasped how ridiculous it is to post that a fractured skull is not a broken bone when it patently is.

I am surprised that you find yourself unable to concede that Nevill's watch landed where it was as a result of the attack in the kitchen as much of the opinions you post are in my opinion exactly that ... speculation.

[Caroline]

What makes you think I know more than the pathologist who carried out the pm's who was unable to gauge the force used for all except one.  I uploaded his report for you. Did NB sustain broken bones?  No.  His skull was fractured and the other wounds amounted to abrasions, bruises and lacerations all of which JB or SC could have inflicted using a blunt object.

I'm not going to speculate about how NB's watch came to be near the kitchen sink under a rug. But what I do know is that he didn't sustain any wounds to his left arm, which was totally impaired from the gsw's sustained upstairs, and the wounds on his right arm were restricted to the ulna region.  So no I don't believe he was wearing his watch which somehow came off when he sustained injuries from a blunt instrument.

I can't believe you have written that Holly but see the following for clarity on what a fractured skull is;

https://www.msdmanuals.com/home/injuries-and-poisoning/head-injuries/skull-fracture

[APRIL]

What makes you think I know more than the pathologist who carried out the pm's who was unable to gauge the force used for all except one.  I uploaded his report for you. Did NB sustain broken bones?  No.  His skull was fractured and the other wounds amounted to abrasions, bruises and lacerations all of which JB or SC could have inflicted using a blunt object.

I'm not going to speculate about how NB's watch came to be near the kitchen sink under a rug. But what I do know is that he didn't sustain any wounds to his left arm, which was totally impaired from the gsw's sustained upstairs, and the wounds on his right arm were restricted to the ulna region.  So no I don't believe he was wearing his watch which somehow came off when he sustained injuries from a blunt instrument.

You appear to be totally dismissive of the injuries inflicted on, and suffered by, the victims. It sounds as if you're saying, of Nevill, that as his injuries weren't THAT serious, he was only a bit dead.

[Nicholas]

You appear to be totally dismissive of the injuries inflicted on, and suffered by, the victims. It sounds as if you're saying, of Nevill, that as his injuries weren't THAT serious, he was only a bit dead.

As ‘dismissive’ as you appeared to me to be when using the term Hybristophilia and women attracted to Bamber?

[Vertigo Swirl]

I can't believe you have written that Holly but see the following for clarity on what a fractured skull is;

https://www.msdmanuals.com/home/injuries-and-poisoning/head-injuries/skull-fracture

Was the fracture caused by the beating or the bullet, or was it not possible to say?

[Nicholas]

Hybristophilia is the term for women who are attracted to those behind bars. His, one time, "Hooray Henry" looks would have been a huge attraction -and to some, evidence of his innocence- and an enticement to help him in any way possible.

Hybristophilia is a paraphilia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybristophilia

[ISpyWithMyEye]

It isn't spot on at all.  Its full of conjecture and factually incorrect.

The pathologist made clear he was unable to gauge the degree of force used to cause the non gsw injuries other than one that resulted in a laceration and severe superficial skin injury without underlying fractures which he said involved considerable force from a light object.  I'm a petite female and hit golf balls with considerable force using a light object.

Where's the evidence for NB's watch coming off as a result of injuries sustained?  NB did not sustain any non-gsw injuries to his left arm and the non-gsw to his right arm was restricted to his forearm.  The watch was found near the kitchen sink under a rug.

I hope Caroline doesn’t mind, but I’ve taken the liberty of copying her reply to you as she explains all the points you deny so perfectly:

“
He was "unable to gauge the degree of force used" in one sentence but in the next sentence he described the force as "considerable"?

Where in his dialogue does he state that the injury was caused by considerable force with a light object? He also agreed that it could have been caused by a heavy blow from a first or a lighter blow from a heavy object. I'm surprised G-Unit wasn't all over your posr like she ws mine ....... oh hang on, she's a supporter so would miss these little 'nuances'.
”

There are titbits I could add, but I’m becoming weary of explaining the obvious to you, Holly, as you seem to either dismiss it because you’re not capable of replying; or perhaps you don’t quite understand...

One quick thing: Nevill’s watch was found (broken strap) yards from his body, and it doesn’t take much logic to realise it flew off in the violent struggle. And it must have been extremely violent for it to fly across the room.

By the way, why are you stating things that aren’t correct?

People can see what you’re doing...