Why did Sheila have an INCREASED amount of Haloperidol in her system?

[Holly Goodhead]

No one is saying they would chip and break all over the place but I imagine that with such nails, women would avoid loading a rifle magazine several times and shooting their family. Another issue - how many people who contemplate suicide, decide to wash clothes?

What evidence exists that loading the magazine, inserting mag to rifle, cocking the rifle and pulling the trigger is anymore hazardous to nails and polish than other biomechanical movements involved in operating every day items?

Also using the rifle to wield blows on NB.  I've played hockey, tennis, squash and golf (ungloved) with long polished nails and I don't recall either the nails or polish chipping or breaking anymore than they would from every day wear and tear. 

I think in US where firearms are considered ever day items they would hold very different views about all of this.

[mrswah]

Any evidence of these photos?

Doubt it, but thought I’d ask...😌

I haven't seen the photos.   According to Scott Lomax, he has seen the post mortem photos, and says that Sheila had one broken nail (the right, index finger one) and several chipped nails.

I was partly wrong in what I said before ! Scott says that Sheila did wear false nails, and that Ann had found one that had come off, but he doesn't say that she was necessarily wearing them on the night of the murder. He is disputing whether Sheila did, in fact, have long natural nails--if she did, why did she use false ones?

[The General]

How long did it take you load the mag Holly?
Apparently Sheila did it twice.

Anything? Anything at all?

[Holly Goodhead]

I haven't seen the photos.   According to Scott Lomax, he has seen the post mortem photos, and says that Sheila had one broken nail (the right, index finger one) and several chipped nails.

I was partly wrong in what I said before ! Scott says that Sheila did wear false nails, and that Ann had found one that had come off, but he doesn't say that she was necessarily wearing them on the night of the murder. He is disputing whether Sheila did, in fact, have long natural nails--if she did, why did she use false ones?

I don't rate SL's book.  The pathologist inspected SC'nails and if she was wearing false nails and or any were broken and/chipped I think he would say as much:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=199.0;attach=668

I've read all 5 books.  CAL and Wilkes are best imo but I would still look to confirm their claims with other sources.

[Caroline]

I haven't seen the photos.   According to Scott Lomax, he has seen the post mortem photos, and says that Sheila had one broken nail (the right, index finger one) and several chipped nails.

I was partly wrong in what I said before ! Scott says that Sheila did wear false nails, and that Ann had found one that had come off, but he doesn't say that she was necessarily wearing them on the night of the murder. He is disputing whether Sheila did, in fact, have long natural nails--if she did, why did she use false ones?

I know someone who has also been party to the CS photo's of Sheila's nails, they were natural , very long and unchipped.

[Holly Goodhead]

Anything? Anything at all?

After I wasted a few seconds trying to put the first one in the wrong way I would say about 5 - 10 secs per cartridge but the time was taken retrieving each one from the box.  If you were filling it up with the cartridges lying loose somewhere it would be much quicker. Consider a battery lying loose and then inserting it into a TV remote this will give you a good idea but unlike batteries the cartridges all go in the same way round.

As I said whoever you believe responsible, after the first magazine was exhausted June and NB were so severely injured I don't believe time was of the essence for the perp.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

I haven't seen the photos.   According to Scott Lomax, he has seen the post mortem photos, and says that Sheila had one broken nail (the right, index finger one) and several chipped nails.

I was partly wrong in what I said before ! Scott says that Sheila did wear false nails, and that Ann had found one that had come off, but he doesn't say that she was necessarily wearing them on the night of the murder. He is disputing whether Sheila did, in fact, have long natural nails--if she did, why did she use false ones?

I’m sure the pathologist knows the difference between a natural human fingernail to false stuck-on ones, or acrylics.

Lomax jumped on that saying he’d seen a photo showing Sheila having one nail missing, simply because he couldn’t find any photos showing every fingernail. Had he found such a photo, he’d have published it.

Lomax trips himself up constantly....

I know who I believe — and that’s the pathologist.

[The General]

After I wasted a few seconds trying to put the first one in the wrong way I would say about 5 - 10 secs per cartridge but the time was taken retrieving each one from the box.  If you were filling it up with the cartridges lying loose somewhere it would be much quicker. Consider a battery lying loose and then inserting it into a TV remote this will give you a good idea but unlike batteries the cartridges all go in the same way round.

As I said whoever you believe responsible, after the first magazine was exhausted June and NB were so severely injured I don't believe time was of the essence for the perp.

That's great, but surely a planned attack would factor in the maximum of 11 rounds before reload is required?
An unplanned attack would mean the opposite - a spur of the moment frenzy - incapacitating the adults with 11 rounds maximum. But June was shot 7 times?
I reckon Bamber had at least one spare, fully loaded mag which he disposed of - maybe in the area where he was supposedly dry-wretching - checking back on himself.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Where have I even alluded to this?  I said whether one believes JB or SC providing the magazine was loaded to full capacity before the victims were aware they were under attack then there was no time pressure thereafter as the wounds June and NB sustained from the first load severeley incapacitated them to such a degree the pathologist said had other shots not supervened they would have died from the initial wounds.
 

That's not what I said at all. I said after the first round time was not of the essence.

There was no need for anyone to carry cartridges on their person.

The court was told at trial that overkill is often a feature of "altruistic" killings:

90.  Dr Bradley, another Consultant Psychiatrist, was also called by the defence during the trial to give general evidence of the features of "altruistic" killings and to confirm that it was not unusual that a female murderer should not have a history of previous violence. He also gave evidence that where parents kill children there may be an element of "over-kill" or the infliction of excessive violence.

You said the perp (who we know is Jeremy Bamber) was under time pressure to load the second magazine

Therefore, anyone in a a psychotic rage wouldn’t feel pressurised as they have no sense of time, urgency, or danger.

As for overkill, we all know Jeremy wanted to frame Sheila, hence why he fired bullets into the dead twins heads. He wanted it to look like Sheila had gone mad.

[Holly Goodhead]

You said the perp (who we know is Jeremy Bamber) was under time pressure to load the second magazine

Therefore, anyone in a a psychotic rage wouldn’t feel pressurised as they have no sense of time, urgency, or danger.

As for overkill, we all know Jeremy wanted to frame Sheila, hence why he fired bullets into the dead twins heads. He wanted it to look like Sheila had gone mad.

I never said the perp was under pressure to reload the mag.  Why would she be when June and NB were severely incapacitated.

[Vertigo Swirl]

It doesn't if you do it properly and apply a topcoat!

Yes it does.

[Vertigo Swirl]

The man in the shop just handed me a box of cartridges and the magazine.  No instruction was given or asked for.  The first cartridge I attempted to load the wrong way and realised immediately it was the other way round which took I guess 10 - 15 secs.  Thereafter I guess it was around 5 - 10 secs to load each cartridge.  I would liken the task to inserting batteries to a TV remote.  There's nothing remotely complicated about it.  You would need to suffer severe learning disabilities to find any trouble with it as it's obvious and intuitive.  The magazine is designed so you can only insert them the right way so even if you attempt to load them the wrong way as I did you realise in seconds they go the other way.

JB said he left the mag with 8 - 10 cartridges in.  But for those who disbelieve JB, the perp would only be time pressured with the first load where the evidence supports June sustaining 6 gsw's and NB 4 gsw's which incapacitated them to such a degree the pathologist said if other shots hadn't supervened they would have died from these initial gsw's.

Despite numerous times of asking you have refused to say at what point during the murderous proceedings Sheila allegedly stopped her killing spree to reload, which by your own estimate could take over a minute.

[Holly Goodhead]

Despite numerous times of asking you have refused to say at what point during the murderous proceedings Sheila allegedly stopped her killing spree to reload, which by your own estimate could take over a minute.

I have explained numerous times.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

I have explained numerous times.

No you haven’t, Holly

Explain please?

[Vertigo Swirl]

I have explained numerous times.

When?  In response to my questions you haven’t!  If you can’t be bothered to write it all out again, then post a link to your explanation.