How did human blood (female) get inside the hidden silencer?

[Vertigo Swirl]

I was told to start a new thread to discuss this so that’s what I’m doing.

[Holly Goodhead]

The blood flake supposedly found inside the silencer did not reveal a gender.

[Vertigo Swirl]

The blood flake supposedly found inside the silencer did not reveal a gender.

So there is no official report which states female human blood was found in the silencer?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Apart from this

493. Since the CCRC referred this case to the court, further DNA testing has taken place of other parts of the moderator. Seven swabbings have been taken from internal parts of the moderator apart from the baffles. All seven results indicated that DNA from more than one person was present. The results were complex and incomplete and it was not possible to determine how many people had contributed to the DNA from the mixture. The predominant contribution appeared to have come from a female or females.

[Brietta]

Apart from this

493. Since the CCRC referred this case to the court, further DNA testing has taken place of other parts of the moderator. Seven swabbings have been taken from internal parts of the moderator apart from the baffles. All seven results indicated that DNA from more than one person was present. The results were complex and incomplete and it was not possible to determine how many people had contributed to the DNA from the mixture. The predominant contribution appeared to have come from a female or females.

Excellent thread from 2012 ... http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=258.msg4394#msg4394

Animal blood was ruled out from the blood found in the silencer which was found hidden in a house where a mass shooting had taken place.  The blood tested was human and DNA was found to have come from multiple contributors including a sample of which contained 20 bands which were a match for Sheila Caffell ... in my opinion logic dictates there can only be one conclusion?

[ISpyWithMyEye]

The blood flake supposedly found inside the silencer did not reveal a gender.

Holly, the first blood test proved human blood was inside the silencer.

Forensics found blood which suggested was a mixture of June’s and Nevill’s.

But the rare A Neg blood they found, which only a small proportion of people have, belonged to Sheila. In that blood sample they found 13 markers identical to Sheila’s. In court, the doctor said it was almost certainly Sheila’s.

However, when they repeated the same test years later, after science had advanced, they found SEVENTEEN markers of Sheila’s blood in that sample.

The doctor said that the chances of that blood not belonging to Sheila was a TRILLION to one.

I’d say those odds are rather high...wouldn’t you? 😌

[The General]

Holly, the first blood test proved human blood was inside the silencer.

Forensics found blood which suggested was a mixture of June’s and Nevill’s.

But the rare A Neg blood they found, which only a small proportion of people have, belonged to Sheila. In that blood sample they found 13 markers identical to Sheila’s. In court, the doctor said it was almost certainly Sheila’s.

However, when they repeated the same test years later, after science had advanced, they found SEVENTEEN markers of Sheila’s blood in that sample.

The doctor said that the chances of that blood not belonging to Sheila was a TRILLION to one.

I’d say those odds are rather high...wouldn’t you? 😌

So you're saying there's a chance then?

[ISpyWithMyEye]

So you're saying there's a chance then?

A chance of what, General?

If you’re asking if there’s a chance of the blood not belonging to Sheila, the answer is NO.

Sheila had a rare blood group and 17 DNA markers proved that blood belonged to Sheila and no-one else.

[The General]

A chance of what, General?

If you’re asking if there’s a chance of the blood not belonging to Sheila, the answer is NO.

Sheila had a rare blood group and 17 DNA markers proved that blood belonged to Sheila and no-one else.

It was an attempt at humour. I'll get me coat.

[APRIL]

So you're saying there's a chance then?

Certainly they are. 1 in a trillion!!!

[G-Unit]

A chance of what, General?

If you’re asking if there’s a chance of the blood not belonging to Sheila, the answer is NO.

Sheila had a rare blood group and 17 DNA markers proved that blood belonged to Sheila and no-one else.

Except that it wasn't possible to say the DNA came from blood, and it definitely wasn't from the 'flake';

501. Thus we think that the CCRC's conclusion that the DNA was likely to have come from "the blood found in the silencer at the time" which was said to be justified "because it was found deep within the silencer" cannot be sustained. The DNA was certainly not from the flake of blood removed for blood grouping purposes and whilst some or all of the DNA that was found within the moderator may have originated from blood, a conclusion that it all did is not one that can be properly drawn.
http://www.homepage-link.to/justice/judgements/Bamber/index.html

[Caroline]

Except that it wasn't possible to say the DNA came from blood, and it definitely wasn't from the 'flake';

501. Thus we think that the CCRC's conclusion that the DNA was likely to have come from "the blood found in the silencer at the time" which was said to be justified "because it was found deep within the silencer" cannot be sustained. The DNA was certainly not from the flake of blood removed for blood grouping purposes and whilst some or all of the DNA that was found within the moderator may have originated from blood, a conclusion that it all did is not one that can be properly drawn.
http://www.homepage-link.to/justice/judgements/Bamber/index.html

It was probably there from contamination, they weren't as careful back in 1985 given that DNA wasn't an issue.

[The General]

It was probably there from contamination, they weren't as careful back in 1985 given that DNA wasn't an issue.

True. I'd go so far as saying cross-contamination was probably inadvertently rife.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

It was an attempt at humour. I'll get me coat.

Sorry, I lost my sense of a humour for a moment there...🤪

I’m blaming lockdown cabin fever.

I’ve been stuck on this forum slowly driving myself nuts...

[Caroline]

Sorry, I lost my sense of a humour for a moment there...🤪

I’m blaming lockdown cabin fever.

I’ve been stuck on this forum slowly driving myself nuts...

We've been here for years - it's gets no better