Sheila’s Nightdress

[The General]

What would you expect to find on SC's nightdress as perp?

I don't know, I'm no forensic expert. Bullet lubrication? I was commenting on the notion that Sheila would take a bath prior to shooting her family, then herself in the neck. Twice.
Has it even been demonstrated as logistically possible? The overall length of the weapon would mean she would have to use her thumb to pull the trigger. Bearing in mind she would then have to have the wherewithal to reload in between shots (not sure if this is true - having expended 2 magazines, but only one was found?)

[Holly Goodhead]

I don't know, I'm no forensic expert. Bullet lubrication? I was commenting on the notion that Sheila would take a bath prior to shooting her family, then herself in the neck. Twice.
Has it even been demonstrated as logistically possible? The overall length of the weapon would mean she would have to use her thumb to pull the trigger. Bearing in mind she would then have to have the wherewithal to reload in between shots (not sure if this is true - having expended 2 magazines, but only one was found?)

I visited a gun shop and loaded the exact same cartridges into the exact same mag.  I did not sustain any visible debris to my hands and loading the cartridges was as easy as putting batteries into a TV remote.  In fact I would say easier since it is only possible to load them the right way unlike batteries. 

Manufacturers key features on cartridges:

https://eley.co.uk/eley-subsonic-hollow/

[Holly Goodhead]

I don't know, I'm no forensic expert. Bullet lubrication? I was commenting on the notion that Sheila would take a bath prior to shooting her family, then herself in the neck. Twice.
Has it even been demonstrated as logistically possible? The overall length of the weapon would mean she would have to use her thumb to pull the trigger. Bearing in mind she would then have to have the wherewithal to reload in between shots (not sure if this is true - having expended 2 magazines, but only one was found?)

No measurements of SC's arm span were taken but judging by soc images I don't think anyone doubted she could have pulled the trigger twice.  The pathologist didn't see any problem from a physiological perspective. The magazine was capable of holding 10 cartridges with 1 in the breach.

[APRIL]

I visited a gun shop and loaded the exact same cartridges into the exact same mag.  I did not sustain any visible debris to my hands and loading the cartridges was as easy as putting batteries into a TV remote.  In fact I would say easier since it is only possible to load them the right way unlike batteries. 

Manufacturers key features on cartridges:

https://eley.co.uk/eley-subsonic-hollow/

Of course, the circumstances were entirely different. Even that you clearly weren't in the grip of psychosis I don't imagine they allowed you to take the gun outside and load it on your own. I guess you received some sort of guidance -instruction on how to? I'm inclined to think that your dexterity exceeded Sheila's.

[Myster]

I visited a gun shop and loaded the exact same cartridges into the exact same mag.  I did not sustain any visible debris to my hands and loading the cartridges was as easy as putting batteries into a TV remote.  In fact I would say easier since it is only possible to load them the right way unlike batteries. 

Manufacturers key features on cartridges:

https://eley.co.uk/eley-subsonic-hollow/

The spring in the magazine of yours might have been well-used and lost it strength, unlike a newly manufactured one.

But did you try to fix it three times to an Anschutz then fire each bullet without being shown?

[APRIL]

The spring in the magazine of yours might have been well-used and lost it strength, unlike a newly manufactured one.

But did you try to fix it three times to an Anschutz then fire each bullet without being shown?

I don't believe it's possible to compare anyone else's experience of loading a magazine with Sheila's.

[The General]

I visited a gun shop and loaded the exact same cartridges into the exact same mag.  I did not sustain any visible debris to my hands and loading the cartridges was as easy as putting batteries into a TV remote.  In fact I would say easier since it is only possible to load them the right way unlike batteries. 

Manufacturers key features on cartridges:

https://eley.co.uk/eley-subsonic-hollow/

Sounds great. Now do that a minimum of two times whilst slaughtering an entire family. Takes a level of learned proprioception and skill.
Besides, whether you thought you had debris on you or not, you did.

[barrier]

I don't believe it's possible to compare anyone else's experience of loading a magazine with Sheila's.

J Bamber is the benchmark.

[Holly Goodhead]

Sounds great. Now do that a minimum of two times whilst slaughtering an entire family. Takes a level of learned proprioception and skill.
Besides, whether you thought you had debris on you or not, you did.

NB and June were severely incapacitated from the first round.  The twins were sleeping but I'm not sure what SC was doing?  Ie I don't see any urgency with reloading?  What urgency do you see? 

I said no visible debris.  The only reliable forensic test used to determine whether someone has discharged a firearm is a test for gunshot residue and this was not carried out in this case.

[Vertigo Swirl]

NB and June were severely incapacitated from the first round.  The twins were sleeping but I'm not sure what SC was doing?  Ie I don't see any urgency with reloading?  What urgency do you see? 

I said no visible debris.  The only reliable forensic test used to determine whether someone has discharged a firearm is a test for gunshot residue and this was not carried out in this case.

If NB was severely incapacitated from the first round how did he get downstairs?  Tell is when the reloads happened and where NB was at the time.

[Vertigo Swirl]

NB and June were severely incapacitated from the first round.  The twins were sleeping but I'm not sure what SC was doing?  Ie I don't see any urgency with reloading?  What urgency do you see? 

I said no visible debris.  The only reliable forensic test used to determine whether someone has discharged a firearm is a test for gunshot residue and this was not carried out in this case.

Did you fire 25 shots when you handled this gun?

[Holly Goodhead]

I don't believe it's possible to compare anyone else's experience of loading a magazine with Sheila's.

It's not remotely complicated.  There's no evidence SC suffered learning difficulties and/or problems with manual dexterity.

[Holly Goodhead]

Did you fire 25 shots when you handled this gun?

I didn't say I handled a gun.  I said I loaded the cartridges into the magazine.  The purpose of the exercise was to determine whether or not I sustained any visible debris to my hands as Malcolm Fletcher claimed at trial.

[Caroline]

I visited a gun shop and loaded the exact same cartridges into the exact same mag.  I did not sustain any visible debris to my hands and loading the cartridges was as easy as putting batteries into a TV remote.  In fact I would say easier since it is only possible to load them the right way unlike batteries. 

Manufacturers key features on cartridges:

https://eley.co.uk/eley-subsonic-hollow/

Key word again is 'visible'. Were your hands swabbed and tested for residue? Also. residue is also transferred after firing the weapon - did you fire it?

[Vertigo Swirl]

I didn't say I handled a gun.  I said I loaded the cartridges into the magazine.  The purpose of the exercise was to determine whether or not I sustained any visible debris to my hands as Malcolm Fletcher claimed at trial.

So the ballistics expert was lying in your opinion, based on your one go at loading a magazine years after the event?