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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Nevill was first shot as he exited his bedroom.
« on: April 16, 2020, 08:46:46 PM »
There seems to be a view amongst some supporters that Nevill phoned Jeremy before he was shot, and said “Sheila’s going crazy, she’s got a gun”.  In order for him to know she had a gun he would either have had to see her with one or have heard the shots.  If he saw her with the gun first, then he must have encountered her downstairs before the shooting had begun, so why did he stay downstairs and not rush up the stairs as soon as he heard the first shot being fired?  In fact why did he wait downstairs until all the shooting had finished upstairs, whilst still on the phone waiting for Sheila to come back downstairs and cut the phone off?  Ah, but hang on, Nevill did go upstairs and get shot, which must have happened after the phone call that Sheila cut him off during because he wouldn’t have been able to speak after being shot, well why didn’t she shoot him downstairs then, why did she allow him to follow her up the stairs?  No, I can’t make any of this make any sense.  Help!
« Last Edit: April 16, 2020, 09:32:22 PM by Vertigo Swirl »
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Nevill was first shot as he exited his bedroom.
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2020, 09:06:53 PM »
JB claimed NB said:

"Sheila's going crazy she's got the gun"

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=5723.msg202984#msg202984
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Nevill was first shot as he exited his bedroom.
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2020, 09:15:50 PM »
JB claimed NB said:

"Sheila's going crazy she's got the gun"

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=5723.msg202984#msg202984
Which is quite close to what I wrote.  Anything else to add?
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Offline APRIL

Re: Nevill was first shot as he exited his bedroom.
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2020, 09:25:18 PM »
Which is quite close to what I wrote.  Anything else to add?


There are subtle nuances, though. Nevill knew about her mental frailty, and the fact of her recent breakdown and hospitalization. Under the circumstances, "Sheila is ill again and she has the gun" may have been a more appropriate claim than "Sheila's gone mad..............."

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Nevill was first shot as he exited his bedroom.
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2020, 09:28:02 PM »
Which is quite close to what I wrote.  Anything else to add?

No you said:

"Sheila's going crazy with a gun"

According to JB's first wit stat NB said:

"Sheila's going crazy she's got the gun"

The meanings are different.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Nevill was first shot as he exited his bedroom.
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2020, 09:31:48 PM »
No you said:

"Sheila's going crazy with a gun"

According to JB's first wit stat NB said:

"Sheila's going crazy she's got the gun"

The meanings are different.
Iwill amend my post and then we can continue from there.  I take it you don’t think she was demonstrating craziness through her handling of the gun then.
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Nevill was first shot as he exited his bedroom.
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2020, 09:54:13 PM »
Iwill amend my post and then we can continue from there.  I take it you don’t think she was demonstrating craziness through her handling of the gun then.

I don't know what NB's definition of "crazy" was in relation to SC's mental illness.

I will add to your thread tomorrow or Sat as I start switching off at this time of night.

Have your read Farhad Emani's wit stat who was SC's boyfriend?  He witnessed SC when she became psychotic. 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Nevill was first shot as he exited his bedroom.
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2020, 10:02:36 PM »
I don't know what NB's definition of "crazy" was in relation to SC's mental illness.

I will add to your thread tomorrow or Sat as I start switching off at this time of night.

Have your read Farhad Emani's wit stat who was SC's boyfriend?  He witnessed SC when she became psychotic.
No, I’m not interested.  I am only interested in how she committed the killings based on the evidence including Jeremy’s claims wrt the phone call.
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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: Nevill was first shot as he exited his bedroom.
« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2020, 05:05:58 AM »
No you said:

"Sheila's going crazy with a gun"

According to JB's first wit stat NB said:

"Sheila's going crazy she's got the gun"

The meanings are different.


That doesn’t make sense though, does it?

Firstly, Nevill was ex-RAF and would have been trained in the correct terminology. In the RAF use of correct terms is very important — especially when talking on the radio. I know he was a pilot, but I suspect he was trained in firearms too. So it would have been ingrained in him to be precise. Remember, a gun is artillery, cannons etc.  Something you CARRY is a rifle, a pistol or a weapon.

Then he spent around 30 years on the farm, shooting prey and going to shoots. He also had a collection of firearms throughout the years.

In shooting circles a Gun is what they call the person who’s holding the firearm; so whereas we, who don’t shoot, refer to firearms as guns, that isn’t actually correct. Nevill was educated, experienced in shooting, and mixed in the same circles.

So I doubt he ever referred to any of his firearms as a gun.

He’d have said something like: “Im going shooting with the Anschutz” or “I’m taking the semi-automatic”

Had Sheila been going berserk with that rifle, Nevill wouldn’t have said to Jeremy: “Sheila’s gone berserk — she’s got a gun”

It’s difficult to imagine what he’d have said, as it’s too ridiculous to even perceive he’d phone anyone at all leaving Sheila “going crazy with a gun”, but let’s suppose he would have phoned Jeremy instead of 999 or one of his neighbours, or farm workers two minutes away, he’d have most likely said: “Jeremy, get over here NOW! Sheila’s got hold of the Anschutz and is going hysterical”

He would not have said “Sheila has a gun” or “Sheila has the gun”

He just wouldn’t have.

But even trying to imagine what he’d have said is difficult, because it wouldn’t have crossed his mind to phone Jeremy — what could Jeremy have done that Nevill couldn’t? Nevill would have, and easily could have disarmed Sheila as soon as he saw her holding a rifle and going “crazy”. And he’d hardly leave her upstairs in that state, with a loaded weapon.

Jeremy claimed Nevill said Sheila was going crazy: he never said Nevill told him Sheila had shot anyone, so why wasn’t Nevill overpowering her upstairs before she started shooting? Why waste precious minutes phoning Jeremy of all people, leaving his wife, grandchildren and Sheila herself in grave danger, when he could have easily thrown himself sideways against the barrel and Sheila, and simply disarmed her in one swift manoeuvre?

Whichever way you try to fit the pieces together, they just don’t add up. None of it fits.
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Offline Brietta

Re: Nevill was first shot as he exited his bedroom.
« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2020, 08:56:20 AM »
No, I’m not interested.  I am only interested in how she committed the killings based on the evidence including Jeremy’s claims wrt the phone call.

In the lack of any evidence linking Sheila to the killings and everything we have learned which lay behind them, I am at a total loss in trying to think of any reasonable or even unreasonable hypothesis which would reflect the thread title.

I think it is impossible to think of Sheila as anything other than the victim of an horrific crime.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline barrier

Re: Nevill was first shot as he exited his bedroom.
« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2020, 09:04:44 AM »
I don't know what NB's definition of "crazy" was in relation to SC's mental illness.

I will add to your thread tomorrow or Sat as I start switching off at this time of night.

Have your read Farhad Emani's wit stat who was SC's boyfriend?  He witnessed SC when she became psychotic.

Was she with a gun at the time? one Swallow does not a summer make.
This is my own private domicile and I shall not be harassed, biatch:Jesse Pinkman Character.

Offline barrier

Re: Nevill was first shot as he exited his bedroom.
« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2020, 09:08:54 AM »
No you said:

"Sheila's going crazy with a gun"

According to JB's first wit stat NB said:

"Sheila's going crazy she's got the gun"

The meanings are different.

Is it not then  within the bounds of possibility that if it where the case then "she's threatening to shoot or she is shooting" to be added.Bit of a slip up by JB imo.
This is my own private domicile and I shall not be harassed, biatch:Jesse Pinkman Character.

Offline APRIL

Re: Nevill was first shot as he exited his bedroom.
« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2020, 09:15:04 AM »
Is it not then  within the bounds of possibility that if it where the case then "she's threatening to shoot or she is shooting" to be added.Bit of a slip up by JB imo.


Including the line that she was shooting would have been too much information to pass on to police, given that the were already dead, and may have been for several hours.

Offline barrier

Re: Nevill was first shot as he exited his bedroom.
« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2020, 09:27:18 AM »

Including the line that she was shooting would have been too much information to pass on to police, given that the were already dead, and may have been for several hours.
Quite agree,but I'm trying to understand the narrative from a supporters angle,JB want's to convince it was Sheila who committed the crime.
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Nevill was first shot as he exited his bedroom.
« Reply #14 on: April 17, 2020, 09:36:00 AM »

That doesn’t make sense though, does it?

Firstly, Nevill was ex-RAF and would have been trained in the correct terminology. In the RAF use of correct terms is very important — especially when talking on the radio. I know he was a pilot, but I suspect he was trained in firearms too. So it would have been ingrained in him to be precise. Remember, a gun is artillery, cannons etc.  Something you CARRY is a rifle, a pistol or a weapon.

Then he spent around 30 years on the farm, shooting prey and going to shoots. He also had a collection of firearms throughout the years.

In shooting circles a Gun is what they call the person who’s holding the firearm; so whereas we, who don’t shoot, refer to firearms as guns, that isn’t actually correct. Nevill was educated, experienced in shooting, and mixed in the same circles.

So I doubt he ever referred to any of his firearms as a gun.

He’d have said something like: “Im going shooting with the Anschutz” or “I’m taking the semi-automatic”

Had Sheila been going berserk with that rifle, Nevill wouldn’t have said to Jeremy: “Sheila’s gone berserk — she’s got a gun”

It’s difficult to imagine what he’d have said, as it’s too ridiculous to even perceive he’d phone anyone at all leaving Sheila “going crazy with a gun”, but let’s suppose he would have phoned Jeremy instead of 999 or one of his neighbours, or farm workers two minutes away, he’d have most likely said: “Jeremy, get over here NOW! Sheila’s got hold of the Anschutz and is going hysterical”

He would not have said “Sheila has a gun” or “Sheila has the gun”

He just wouldn’t have.

But even trying to imagine what he’d have said is difficult, because it wouldn’t have crossed his mind to phone Jeremy — what could Jeremy have done that Nevill couldn’t? Nevill would have, and easily could have disarmed Sheila as soon as he saw her holding a rifle and going “crazy”. And he’d hardly leave her upstairs in that state, with a loaded weapon.

Jeremy claimed Nevill said Sheila was going crazy: he never said Nevill told him Sheila had shot anyone, so why wasn’t Nevill overpowering her upstairs before she started shooting? Why waste precious minutes phoning Jeremy of all people, leaving his wife, grandchildren and Sheila herself in grave danger, when he could have easily thrown himself sideways against the barrel and Sheila, and simply disarmed her in one swift manoeuvre?

Whichever way you try to fit the pieces together, they just don’t add up. None of it fits.

I can't see anything about the physical evidence in the above: blood stains, casings, distance of shots, trajectories and wound tracks.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?