Nevill was first shot as he exited his bedroom.

[Holly Goodhead]

You have Sheila shooting him on the stairs, why not Jeremy?

The physical evidence positions NB on the landing stairs which immediately precede the entrance to the main bedroom when he stained the two face wounds.  The physical evidence positions the perp just inside the main  main bedroom firing out onto the landing.

If JB why was NB coming up the landing stairs and JB already in the main bedroom?

As per the physical evidence June was shot with her head on the pillow.  If she hadn't been shot before NB sustained the face wounds what was she doing?  And if 6 cartridges hadn't been inflicted on June before NB sustained the facial wounds why didn't JB continue firing shots at NB before he arrived in the kitchen?

What was SC doing when all this was going on? 

[Nicholas]

The physical evidence positions NB on the landing stairs which immediately precede the entrance to the main bedroom when he stained the two face wounds.  The physical evidence positions the perp just inside the main  main bedroom firing out onto the landing.

If JB why was NB coming up the landing stairs and JB already in the main bedroom?

As per the physical evidence June was shot with her head on the pillow.  If she hadn't been shot before NB sustained the face wounds what was she doing?  And if 6 cartridges hadn't been inflicted on June before NB sustained the facial wounds why didn't JB continue firing shots at NB before he arrived in the kitchen?

What was SC doing when all this was going on?

Holly, Myster has had to point out to you a fractured skull means broken bones

There’s no point keep giving your lay persons views if you appear to fail to grasp the basics

You’re not revising your prior

[Vertigo Swirl]

The physical evidence positions NB on the landing stairs which immediately precede the entrance to the main bedroom when he stained the two face wounds.  The physical evidence positions the perp just inside the main  main bedroom firing out onto the landing.

If JB why was NB coming up the landing stairs and JB already in the main bedroom?

As per the physical evidence June was shot with her head on the pillow.  If she hadn't been shot before NB sustained the face wounds what was she doing?  And if 6 cartridges hadn't been inflicted on June before NB sustained the facial wounds why didn't JB continue firing shots at NB before he arrived in the kitchen?

What was SC doing when all this was going on?

Who said Nevill was coming up the stairs?  He could have been on the stairs trying to escape and turned to plead with Jeremy to stop, or because he heard Sheila and turned, or any other possible reason.  Why couldn’t June have been shot first?  How many bullets were in the gun when it was taken upstairs?

[Caroline]

Who said Nevill was coming up the stairs?  He could have been on the stairs trying to escape and turned to plead with Jeremy to stop, or because he heard Sheila and turned, or any other possible reason.  Why couldn’t June have been shot first?  How many bullets were in the gun when it was taken upstairs?

Those are questions that can't be answered and the main question about who. was holding the rifle at the time would still be in question after a reconstruction.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Thank you, Myster.
So seven penetrating wounds and a bruise caused by a ricochet.

The police officers said that “Jeremy made June and Nevill suffer” prior to finishing them off.

I don’t know if that was his intention — I suspect not — he wanted to shoot them dead immediately, I’d have thought. But he obviously was furious they weren’t fatally shot, and the anger & fear inside him gave him a mad adrenaline surge — which is why he punched June in the face so very, very hard, and beat Nevill to a pulp in the kitchen. He’d gone deranged with fury that his “perfect plan” wasn’t going as he’d thought.

[Brietta]

The police officers said that “Jeremy made June and Nevill suffer” prior to finishing them off.

I don’t know if that was his intention — I suspect not — he wanted to shoot them dead immediately, id have thought. But he obviously was furious they went fatally shot, and the and anger & fear inside him gave him a mad dive adrenaline surge — which is why he punched June in the face so very, very hard, and beat Nevill to a pulp in the kitchen. He’d gone deranged with fury that his “perfect plan” wasn’t going as he’d thought.

I think your summation is probably very close to the truth.  In my opinion he obviously didn't expect anyone to survive the initial head shots and the fact they did must have upset him greatly.  From his point of view just something else which they did to thwart and annoy him.

[Holly Goodhead]

The police officers said that “Jeremy made June and Nevill suffer” prior to finishing them off.

I don’t know if that was his intention — I suspect not — he wanted to shoot them dead immediately, id have thought. But he obviously was furious they went fatally shot, and the and anger & fear inside him gave him a mad dive adrenaline surge — which is why he punched June in the face so very, very hard, and beat Nevill to a pulp in the kitchen. He’d gone deranged with fury that his “perfect plan” wasn’t going as he’d thought.

The pathologist made clear the injuries to June's eyes were caused solely by the gunshots.

The pathologist makes no mention of beating NB to a pulp.  He does however state he saw nothing that a woman of SC's build was incapable of inflicting.

Source: report May 86 and trial testimony.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

The pathologist made clear the injuries to June's eyes were caused solely by the gunshots.

The pathologist makes no mention of beating NB to a pulp.  He does however state he saw nothing that a woman of SC's build was incapable of inflicting.

Source: report May 86 and trial testimony.

The pathologist also said June had sustained a heavy blow to her eye, typical of that caused by a fist.

You’re so pedantic, Holly...you know full well the pathologist listed all the appalling violent injuries Nevill received in the kitchen. Stop trying to downplay his injuries — everyone can see what you’re trying to do.

You also deliberately fail to mention what the pathologist, Vanezis said AFTER having seen the crime scene; the rifle; the silencer; where Sheila was found dead; how she was laying...everything...and he said that it was IMPOSSIBLE for Sheila to have murdered everyone and then committed suicide, by shooting herself TWICE

I have the link and I will DEFINITELY post that up, though you’ve obviously seen it...haven’t you, eh?

[Vertigo Swirl]

The pathologist made clear the injuries to June's eyes were caused solely by the gunshots.

The pathologist makes no mention of beating NB to a pulp.  He does however state he saw nothing that a woman of SC's build was incapable of inflicting.

Source: report May 86 and trial testimony.

And therefore it follows that he saw nothing that a man of JB’s build was incapable of inflicting either.

[APRIL]

The pathologist made clear the injuries to June's eyes were caused solely by the gunshots.

The pathologist makes no mention of beating NB to a pulp.  He does however state he saw nothing that a woman of SC's build was incapable of inflicting.

Source: report May 86 and trial testimony.

Holly, that's just pedantic. The pathologist may NOT have made "mention of beating Nevill to a pulp" but it doesn't require huge imagination to see that a beating causing brain exposure, is exactly that.

[Holly Goodhead]

Holly, that's just pedantic. The pathologist may NOT have made "mention of beating Nevill to a pulp" but it doesn't require huge imagination to see that a beating causing brain exposure, is exactly that.

I'm not interested in imagination or melo-drama.  I'm interested in facts.  And I know for a fact there's nothing in the pathological evidence alone that points to JB or SC.  If there was I doubt I would be here now.

[Myster]

I'm not interested in imagination or melo-drama.  I'm interested in facts.  And I know for a fact there's nothing in the pathological evidence alone that points to JB or SC.  If there was I doubt I would be here now.

The pathologist, and the guy who "only had experience of using an air-rifle when he was a boy" beg to differ.

From CAL...

"Sheila’s turquoise nightdress was also tested for firearm residue and oil. None was detected, although the 1986 internal review stated that ‘the significance of this would depend on the position of the gun in relation to her body and the nightdress at the time it was fired.’ But Fletcher remains confident that wax discharged from the fired bullets would have resulted in ‘some of that material ending up on the shooter. I tested the surface of Sheila’s nightdress and I got no indication, either visual or chemical, of lead or wax material. I would have expected to find it, especially with the number of shots that were fired. I tested it thoroughly and there was no evidence of the spots of waxy material that showed up on the test fires.’ The blood on the nightdress was Sheila’s own; both Fletcher and Vanezis agree that had she been the killer, blood from the other victims would have been detected on the garment."

[APRIL]

I'm not interested in imagination or melo-drama.  I'm interested in facts.  And I know for a fact there's nothing in the pathological evidence alone that points to JB or SC.  If there was I doubt I would be here now.

So a beating which exposed Nevill's brain is nothing more than imagination or melodrama?

[ISpyWithMyEye]

So a beating which exposed Nevill's brain is nothing more than imagination or melodrama?

According to Holly, she sees it as Nevill being  “roughed up” a bit...

[ISpyWithMyEye]

No expert evidence exists as to exactly how JB supposedly committed these crimes based on the physical evidence. 

People will say JB bust into the bedroom and shot NB and June.  They overlook facts like the gsw's NB sustained to his face were inflicted when the barrel was within inches of his face and the trajectories were around 10 to 12 degrees below the horizontal.   The gsw's NB sustained to his rear were fired when the barrel was about 2 feet away from the body.  The rifle is 48" in length.  The pathologist said the wound NB sustained to his shoulder was fired from above.  NB was 6'4", JB 6'0" and SC 5'7".  How did NB receive this gsw in the bedroom?  Even if you put JB/SC on top of the wardrobe I doubt you could get the downward trajectory that correlates with the wound track. You certainly wouldn't get it by them standing on the bed or chair.

Nevill wasn’t shot in the bedroom — he was shot on the landing. Whatever are you talking about? You’ve even admitted yourself that Nevill wasn’t shot in the bedroom: not one spot of his blood was found there, and all the casings where he was shot upstairs were found on the landing and stairs.

It’s blatantly obvious, as I explained in my previous post, that after Jeremy crept in and aimed bullets to his parents’ sleeping heads — in which it was dark too — he only managed to hit June’s head. Nevill would have then jumped up immediately and Jeremy needed to back away from the door onto the landing, otherwise he’d not have been able to shoot Nevill — as you say, the rifle was 4ft in length, without the silencer, bringing it to possibly 5ft. Jeremy needed distance to shoot Nevill, hence why he stood back on the landing and as Nevill rushed out the bedroom door that’s when Jeremy shot him him twice in the face.

Nevill tried to get downstairs to call 999 or/and arm himself, and Jeremy then shot Nevill in his arm/shoulder — and Jeremy would have been above Nevill as he did so.

The reason Jeremy poleaxed Nevill in the kitchen with the rifle, was that he’d run out of bullets.

I don’t see what you can’t comprehend about that?

I also suspect that after Jeremy beat Nevill to a pulp and rendered him unconscious, he deliberately wedged his floppy body on that upturned chair, folded him over and shoved his face in the coal scuttle out of sadistic fury, and then after reloading shot the final bullets into his head whilst he was in that grotesque position.