Nevill was first shot as he exited his bedroom.

[Caroline]

I know that but why the implicit threat in your post "be careful what you wish for"?

Yes, I wondered that - I thought G was against goading.

[Common sense]

The more I think about it, the less plausible Holly's scenario becomes.

Without exception, every Bamber supporter is always forced to take the least likely explanation.

However, if Bamber didn't do it, there must be a plausible way that SC did..  so here is my jackanory version.. I'm afraid I have left a few holes.

Sheila has gone to bed around 10-11 ( I think ) - but she gets up in the night, goes downstairs and starts crashing around or talking to herself waking NB who either gets out of bed and goes downstairs or is already there because he fell asleep in his chair.

Let's say she already has the gun and put the cartridge in before NB wakes up. She doesn't find and put the moderator on.( it's definitely a frame)  He confronts her and she is holding the gun under her chin. She isn't making any sense and he can't get through to her. She isn't making too much noise and waking up June who is still in bed so it's a muffled kind of "going crazy" - not the shouty hysterical kind of crazy she had been prone to. He can't get too close because he is afraid she will pull the trigger and she backs away and barricades herself in the lounge or something.

"Hmm" thinks Nevill, "I need some help here, I can't wake June cos she needs her beauty sleep..if only there was some kind of emergency service to contact in this situation... there's only one hero that can save the day, Sheila is always happy when she sees Jem!" He picks up the phone. He has just enough time to blurt out the immortal words when he realises that Sheila is already halfway up the stairs so he cuts the call, thoughtfully leaving the line clear for super Jem to be able to ring Julie but leaves the handset on the worktop and races upstairs to tell Sheila the good news that her favourite brother is coming round. He doesn't make it to the bedroom before he gets shot a couple of times and turns around and gets shot twice more as he races back down to the phone to ring Jeremy back and tell him to bring some elastoplasts, but he isn't fast enough and he is too injured to put up much of a fight.

After battering the father she loves and always turned to when she was having an episode, while skillfully avoiding the broken glass and sugar on the floor, she calmly reloads, finishes him off and then goes upstairs to finish off June and the kids she adores. Then she goes back downstairs to reload again,decides to lift NB onto the coal scuttle, smokes a cigar and burns NBs back with it before wandering back upstairs,where she fires a few more rounds just to make sure they are all dead and after having a good wash and touching up her nail polish, shoots herself with the last two bullets.

Meanwhile, in Goldhanger, Jeremy phones Julie for a quick chat, forgetting to mention that his father had called, it wasn't a big deal, His father was always phoning in the small hours saying Sheila had gone crazy with a gun.. he didn't sound terrified or anything..


My point is, you can just about make a plausible scenario where SC has a gun and NB is downstairs but it starts to fall down at the point NB is supposed to phone JB because in order for that to be remotely plausible, Sheila cannot have fired any shots at anyone and neither can she have threatened to shoot anyone else. NB would have had to have some reason to think it safe to turn his back on her. I also question Holly's version that he drops the phone upon hearing shots upstairs because it changes the situation in which he made the call after he has said the first 7 words. Why not  "Sheila's gone crazy, she's got the gun..(bang)...........Help, she's upstairs call the police"   

[Brietta]

The more I think about it, the less plausible Holly's scenario becomes.

Without exception, every Bamber supporter is always forced to take the least likely explanation.

However, if Bamber didn't do it, there must be a plausible way that SC did..  so here is my jackanory version.. I'm afraid I have left a few holes.

Sheila has gone to bed around 10-11 ( I think ) - but she gets up in the night, goes downstairs and starts crashing around or talking to herself waking NB who either gets out of bed and goes downstairs or is already there because he fell asleep in his chair.

Let's say she already has the gun and put the cartridge in before NB wakes up. She doesn't find and put the moderator on.( it's definitely a frame)  He confronts her and she is holding the gun under her chin. She isn't making any sense and he can't get through to her. She isn't making too much noise and waking up June who is still in bed so it's a muffled kind of "going crazy" - not the shouty hysterical kind of crazy she had been prone to. He can't get too close because he is afraid she will pull the trigger and she backs away and barricades herself in the lounge or something.

"Hmm" thinks Nevill, "I need some help here, I can't wake June cos she needs her beauty sleep..if only there was some kind of emergency service to contact in this situation... there's only one hero that can save the day, Sheila is always happy when she sees Jem!" He picks up the phone. He has just enough time to blurt out the immortal words when he realises that Sheila is already halfway up the stairs so he cuts the call, thoughtfully leaving the line clear for super Jem to be able to ring Julie but leaves the handset on the worktop and races upstairs to tell Sheila the good news that her favourite brother is coming round. He doesn't make it to the bedroom before he gets shot a couple of times and turns around and gets shot twice more as he races back down to the phone to ring Jeremy back and tell him to bring some elastoplasts, but he isn't fast enough and he is too injured to put up much of a fight.

After battering the father she loves and always turned to when she was having an episode, while skillfully avoiding the broken glass and sugar on the floor, she calmly reloads, finishes him off and then goes upstairs to finish off June and the kids she adores. Then she goes back downstairs to reload again,decides to lift NB onto the coal scuttle, smokes a cigar and burns NBs back with it before wandering back upstairs,where she fires a few more rounds just to make sure they are all dead and after having a good wash and touching up her nail polish, shoots herself with the last two bullets.

Meanwhile, in Goldhanger, Jeremy phones Julie for a quick chat, forgetting to mention that his father had called, it wasn't a big deal, His father was always phoning in the small hours saying Sheila had gone crazy with a gun.. he didn't sound terrified or anything..


My point is, you can just about make a plausible scenario where SC has a gun and NB is downstairs but it starts to fall down at the point NB is supposed to phone JB because in order for that to be remotely plausible, Sheila cannot have fired any shots at anyone and neither can she have threatened to shoot anyone else. NB would have had to have some reason to think it safe to turn his back on her. I also question Holly's version that he drops the phone upon hearing shots upstairs because it changes the situation in which he made the call after he has said the first 7 words. Why not  "Sheila's gone crazy, she's got the gun..(bang)...........Help, she's upstairs call the police"

I don't think there is anything that hangs right with Holly's scenario.  In my opinion, it is so obvious that Bamber executed the assassinations, including Sheila's with her in mind as the scapegoat, that there is something vaguely obscene in attempting to perpetuate his narrative on his behalf.

I don't think Sheila would have or could have inflicted the beating on her father that he endured nor do I think she had the expertise to handle the rifle in the way it was.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Are you inviting The General to respond? Be careful what you wish for is my advice.

Are you speaking from experience, G-Unit?

Let me tell you now, I’m not intimidated by anyone — least of all  General — and you’d do well to remember that.

I’ve noticed General hasn’t been around...maybe Holly has decided to give him the weekend off?

[ISpyWithMyEye]

The more I think about it, the less plausible Holly's scenario becomes.

Without exception, every Bamber supporter is always forced to take the least likely explanation.

However, if Bamber didn't do it, there must be a plausible way that SC did..  so here is my jackanory version.. I'm afraid I have left a few holes.

Sheila has gone to bed around 10-11 ( I think ) - but she gets up in the night, goes downstairs and starts crashing around or talking to herself waking NB who either gets out of bed and goes downstairs or is already there because he fell asleep in his chair.

Let's say she already has the gun and put the cartridge in before NB wakes up. She doesn't find and put the moderator on.( it's definitely a frame)  He confronts her and she is holding the gun under her chin. She isn't making any sense and he can't get through to her. She isn't making too much noise and waking up June who is still in bed so it's a muffled kind of "going crazy" - not the shouty hysterical kind of crazy she had been prone to. He can't get too close because he is afraid she will pull the trigger and she backs away and barricades herself in the lounge or something.

"Hmm" thinks Nevill, "I need some help here, I can't wake June cos she needs her beauty sleep..if only there was some kind of emergency service to contact in this situation... there's only one hero that can save the day, Sheila is always happy when she sees Jem!" He picks up the phone. He has just enough time to blurt out the immortal words when he realises that Sheila is already halfway up the stairs so he cuts the call, thoughtfully leaving the line clear for super Jem to be able to ring Julie but leaves the handset on the worktop and races upstairs to tell Sheila the good news that her favourite brother is coming round. He doesn't make it to the bedroom before he gets shot a couple of times and turns around and gets shot twice more as he races back down to the phone to ring Jeremy back and tell him to bring some elastoplasts, but he isn't fast enough and he is too injured to put up much of a fight.

After battering the father she loves and always turned to when she was having an episode, while skillfully avoiding the broken glass and sugar on the floor, she calmly reloads, finishes him off and then goes upstairs to finish off June and the kids she adores. Then she goes back downstairs to reload again,decides to lift NB onto the coal scuttle, smokes a cigar and burns NBs back with it before wandering back upstairs,where she fires a few more rounds just to make sure they are all dead and after having a good wash and touching up her nail polish, shoots herself with the last two bullets.

Meanwhile, in Goldhanger, Jeremy phones Julie for a quick chat, forgetting to mention that his father had called, it wasn't a big deal, His father was always phoning in the small hours saying Sheila had gone crazy with a gun.. he didn't sound terrified or anything..


My point is, you can just about make a plausible scenario where SC has a gun and NB is downstairs but it starts to fall down at the point NB is supposed to phone JB because in order for that to be remotely plausible, Sheila cannot have fired any shots at anyone and neither can she have threatened to shoot anyone else. NB would have had to have some reason to think it safe to turn his back on her. I also question Holly's version that he drops the phone upon hearing shots upstairs because it changes the situation in which he made the call after he has said the first 7 words. Why not  "Sheila's gone crazy, she's got the gun..(bang)...........Help, she's upstairs call the police"

I’ve actually seen people on here come up with similar scenarios, and they’re being serious!

[Holly Goodhead]

I don't think there is anything that hangs right with Holly's scenario.  In my opinion, it is so obvious that Bamber executed the assassinations, including Sheila's with her in mind as the scapegoat, that there is something vaguely obscene in attempting to perpetuate his narrative on his behalf.

How is my reconstruction perpetuating JB's narrative when he doesn't even believe NB sustained any gsw's upstairs?

Perhaps you would like to enlighten us with your own reconstruction based on the physical evidence: blood stains and lack of, casings, distance of shots, trajectories and wound tracks.

And if the case/posts so upset your sensibilities pray tell why why you continue to participate? 

I don't think Sheila would have or could have inflicted the beating on her father that he endured nor do I think she had the expertise to handle the rifle in the way it was.

You thinking something doesn't make it so.  We have a significant amount of material here from 2 eminent pathologists: Dr Vanezis and Prof Knight both of whom thought SC capable of carrying out what took place.

[G-Unit]

I don't think there is anything that hangs right with Holly's scenario.  In my opinion, it is so obvious that Bamber executed the assassinations, including Sheila's with her in mind as the scapegoat, that there is something vaguely obscene in attempting to perpetuate his narrative on his behalf.

I don't think Sheila would have or could have inflicted the beating on her father that he endured nor do I think she had the expertise to handle the rifle in the way it was.

The pathologist didn't rule out the possibility that Sheila Caffell overpowered her father. Her psychologist acknowledged that she was capable of harming her mother and her children. Those who suggested she had no interest in or expertise with the rifle were giving an opinion, they didn't actually know.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

How is my reconstruction perpetuating JB's narrative when he doesn't even believe NB sustained any gsw's upstairs?

Perhaps you would like to enlighten us with your own reconstruction based on the physical evidence: blood stains and lack of, casings, distance of shots, trajectories and wound tracks.

And if the case/posts so upset your sensibilities pray tell why why you continue to participate? 

You thinking something doesn't make it so.  We have a significant amount of material here from 2 eminent pathologists: Dr Vanezis and Prof Knight both of whom thought SC capable of carrying out what took place.

Arrange a reconstruction of Sheila beating Nevill to a pulp, then.

Then her shooting herself — twice

[ISpyWithMyEye]

The pathologist didn't rule out the possibility that Sheila Caffell overpowered her father. Her psychologist acknowledged that she was capable of harming her mother and her children. Those who suggested she had no interest in or expertise with the rifle were giving an opinion, they didn't actually know.

That’s a lie!

Show proof of where Sheila’s psychiatrist said that! Go on!

You’re lying, and that’s so, so low and desperate

He NEVER said that all — he said the very opposite!

You need to be careful; people watch these forums...if you don’t mind being sued for libel that’s your choice, but enough is enough! You need to learn to READ.

I’ve copied this, by the way...

[Vertigo Swirl]

The pathologist didn't rule out the possibility that Sheila Caffell overpowered her father. Her psychologist acknowledged that she was capable of harming her mother and her children. Those who suggested she had no interest in or expertise with the rifle were giving an opinion, they didn't actually know.

There is nothing wrong with an informed opinion, you seem to set great store by the psychologist and the pathologist, why not those who had actually known her for years?

[APRIL]

The pathologist didn't rule out the possibility that Sheila Caffell overpowered her father. Her psychologist acknowledged that she was capable of harming her mother and her children. Those who suggested she had no interest in or expertise with the rifle were giving an opinion, they didn't actually know.

I think he included the rider of under certain circumstances in which certain criteria were met.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

There is nothing wrong with an informed opinion, you seem to set great store by the psychologist and the pathologist, why not those who had actually known her for years?

That’s not an informed opinion, though, VS.

Dr Vanezis never said Sheila would harm her children — ever.

I’m forwarding her libellous comment on...

She’s gone too far now

[G-Unit]

That’s not an informed opinion, though, VS.

Dr Vanezis never said Sheila would harm her children — ever.

I’m forwarding her libellous comment on...

She’s gone too far now

You'll need to show where I said that about Dr Vanezis, which will be a problem for you because I didn't. 

[ISpyWithMyEye]

The pathologist didn't rule out the possibility that Sheila Caffell overpowered her father. Her psychologist acknowledged that she was capable of harming her mother and her children. Those who suggested she had no interest in or expertise with the rifle were giving an opinion, they didn't actually know.

So who were you referring to here, G-Unit?

“Her psychologist “

You know full well, and once your IP is discovered you’ll understand how costly libellous comments against experts are....

[G-Unit]

There is nothing wrong with an informed opinion, you seem to set great store by the psychologist and the pathologist, why not those who had actually known her for years?

Knowing someone doesn't mean you know all about them.