Sheila’s Foot — Proof She Was Dragged At The Point of Death?

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Looking again at the photograph of Sheila, which room does that door lead to which she’s laying next to?

Does anyone know?

[Holly Goodhead]

Looking again at the photograph of Sheila, which room does that door lead to which she’s laying next to?

Does anyone know?

A box room which leads through to the twin's room.

[Caroline]

I think those smears are liver mortis, Caroline, where the blood pools downwards with gravity as there’s no circulation.

I wonder if Holly has the full photo showing all of June’s left foot? From what I can see it looks flopped to the left but in a normal position. Her right foot is also flopped sideways, but it isn’t pointing downwards.

I shall try and draw a line along Sheila’s left leg, as going by the picture it’s almost straight down right to her toes. That isn’t a natural angle when someone is dead, or even alive unless they’re deliberately pointing their foot and toes downwards.

No, she has blood stains on both lower parts of her legs it's in the PM report. She also had linear smears on her neck - sounds like throttle marks!

[Nicholas]

No, she has blood stains on both lower parts of her legs it's in the PM report. She also had linear smears on her neck - sounds like throttle marks!

Has this been missed Caroline ?

[ISpyWithMyEye]

A box room which leads through to the twin's room.

Thank you, Holly

Did the box room have furniture or storage in, do you know?

And was the door leading to the twins bedroom accessible?

[ISpyWithMyEye]

No, she has blood stains on both lower parts of her legs it's in the PM report. She also had linear smears on her neck - sounds like throttle marks!

Thank you, Caroline

I shall look again

[ISpyWithMyEye]

No, she has blood stains on both lower parts of her legs it's in the PM report. She also had linear smears on her neck - sounds like throttle marks!

I just did a search, and you’re spot on, Caroline

The five linear marks on June’s neck is indicative of a bloodied hand  (obviously wearing gloves) trying to strangle her or/and keep her quiet.

Five.

Five marks.

Four fingers and the thumb.


Strong clench, and no fingernail marks/scratches...just a hand, gloved.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Sorry to ask all all these questions, but I don’t have all my research on on this device, so need to clarify.

I believe Nevill slept on the RHS of the bed while June slept on the LHS closest to the main bedroom door?

Is that right?

Also, does anyone know if that door was opened to the box room when the police raided?

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Just bumping this up...

I did ask if anyone knew which side of the bed June and Nevill slept on, but I must have had a blond moment 🙄

June obviously slept on the left side closest to the main bedroom door.

So I expect Jeremy first went into the twins bedroom, killed them both by shooting bullets into their little heads, then quietly crept through the box room and entered the master bedroom through the door nearest Nevill — who was his biggest threat. He’d obviously pre-planned it all as meticulously as his warped brain allowed.

Due to it being dark he obviously missed Nevill’s head and June got shot first.

This woke Nevill who immediately jumped up giving Jeremy no space to shoot him, and that’s when June ran round to Nevill’s side to try and help, hence her blood trail. Jeremy then ran out through the door onto the landing and Nevill chased him hoping to disarm him, and that’s when Jeremy managed to shoot him at the top of the stairs.

June also ran to the bedroom door to try and help, and that's when Jeremy shot her point blank between her eyes.

What an evil stinking B!!

[Common sense]

Just bumping this up...

I did ask if anyone knew which side of the bed June and Nevill slept on, but I must have had a blond moment 🙄

June obviously slept on the left side closest to the main bedroom door.

So I expect Jeremy first went into the twins bedroom, killed them both by shooting bullets into their little heads, then quietly crept through the box room and entered the master bedroom through the door nearest Nevill — who was his biggest threat. He’d obviously pre-planned it all as meticulously as his warped brain allowed.

Due to it being dark he obviously missed Nevill’s head and June got shot first.

This woke Nevill who immediately jumped up giving Jeremy no space to shoot him, and that’s when June ran round to Nevill’s side to try and help, hence her blood trail. Jeremy then ran out through the door onto the landing and Nevill chased him hoping to disarm him, and that’s when Jeremy managed to shoot him at the top of the stairs.

June also ran to the bedroom door to try and help, and that's when Jeremy shot her point blank between her eyes.

What an evil stinking B!!

It depends on if you mean the left hand side from if you are sleeping in a bed or looking at it from the foot.

I always imagined that Bamber was standing on June's side of the bed which would be consistent with NB sustaining wounds in his LHS as he leapt out of bed.

Holly is forever saying we need to come up with our own scenarios but the prosecution already done that, it's for the doubters to come up with a more or equally plausible one, the main hurdle being conjuring up a remotely believable scene where NB turns his back on an armed and dangerous Sheila to call JB, wait for him to wake up, wander downstairs and answer his phone!

Anyway, these diagrams might assist.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

It depends on if you mean the left hand side from if you are sleeping in a bed or looking at it from the foot.

I always imagined that Bamber was standing on June's side of the bed which would be consistent with NB sustaining wounds in his LHS as he leapt out of bed.

Holly is forever saying we need to come up with our own scenarios but the prosecution already done that, it's for the doubters to come up with a more or equally plausible one, the main hurdle being conjuring up a remotely believable scene where NB turns his back on an armed and dangerous Sheila to call JB, wait for him to wake up, wander downstairs and answer his phone!

Anyway, these diagrams might assist.

Thank you, CS — that’s very helpful:)

When I say June slept on the left side of the bed, I’m meaning the left side as you get into it and Nevill would have slept to the right of her. That’s why Jeremy would have approached the room from the box room, hoping to shoot Nevill first. I think (but I’m not sure) it was Nevill’s side where the telephone used to sit — which would make sense as he’d probably want to answer the phone if anyone rang late at night with a problem happening on the farm.

Nevill wasn’t shot in the bedroom, CS, which further suggests Jeremy ran out the room. Nevill was shot just outside the bedroom on the landing and at the top of the stairs. All the bullet casings when Nevill was shot were found on the landing, as was his blood. None of Nevill’s blood was found in the bedroom.

Yes, the ludicrous suggestion by his gullible supporters that Nevill would have tried phoning Jeremy when June had just been shot in front of his eyes, defies belief. It’s absolutely pathetic. Besides, Nevill was unable to speak due to being already shot upstairs and having his tongue almost ripped out, his jawbone smashed, and his throat full of blood.

[Caroline]

Thank you, CS — that’s very helpful:)

When I say June slept on the left side of the bed, I’m meaning the left side as you get into it and Nevill would have slight to the right of her. That’s why Jeremy would have approached the room from the box room, hoping to shoot Nevill first. I think (but I’m not sure) it was Nevill’s side where the telephone used to sit — which would make sense as he’d probably want to answer the phone if anyone rang late at night with a problem happening on the farm.

Nevill wasn’t shot in the bedroom, CS, which further suggests Jeremy ran out the room. Nevill was shot just outside the bedroom on the landing and at the top of the stairs. All the bullet casings when Nevill was shot were found on the landing, as was his blood. None of Nevill’s blood was found in the bedroom.

Yes, the ludicrous suggestion by his gullible supporters that Nevill would have tried phoning Jeremy when June had just been shot in front of his eyes, defies belief. It’s absolutely pathetic. Besides, Nevill was unable to speak due to being already shot upstairs and having his tongue almost ripped out, his jawbone smashed, and his throat full of blood.

Spy,  there was only one casing on the stairs (DRH 14) and one situated in the doorway (DRH 13). The other casings associated with Nevill are in the bedroom.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Spy,  there was only one casing on the stairs (DRH 14) and one situated in the doorway (DRH 13). The other casings associated with Nevill are in the bedroom.

Ah, thank you for that, Caroline — I must have missed that

But as there was none of Nevill’s blood in the bedroom that sounds like the casings flew into room as stepped outside the door

That sounds even more of an assassination style shooting...Jeremy ran out the room when he realised he couldn’t shoot him being so close when Nevill shot up, so he ran down the hallway and as Nevill stepped out fired at him

It’s becoming clearer and clearer to me....

[Nicholas]

Ah, thank you for that, Caroline — I must have missed that

But as there was none of Nevill’s blood in the bedroom that sounds like the casings flew into room as stepped outside the door

That sounds even more of an assassination style shooting...Jeremy ran out the room when he realised he couldn’t shoot him being so close when Nevill shot up, so he ran down the hallway and as Nevill stepped out fired at him

It’s becoming clearer and clearer to me....

 

[Common sense]

Thank you, CS — that’s very helpful:)

When I say June slept on the left side of the bed, I’m meaning the left side as you get into it and Nevill would have slept to the right of her. That’s why Jeremy would have approached the room from the box room, hoping to shoot Nevill first. I think (but I’m not sure) it was Nevill’s side where the telephone used to sit — which would make sense as he’d probably want to answer the phone if anyone rang late at night with a problem happening on the farm.

Nevill wasn’t shot in the bedroom, CS, which further suggests Jeremy ran out the room. Nevill was shot just outside the bedroom on the landing and at the top of the stairs. All the bullet casings when Nevill was shot were found on the landing, as was his blood. None of Nevill’s blood was found in the bedroom.

Yes, the ludicrous suggestion by his gullible supporters that Nevill would have tried phoning Jeremy when June had just been shot in front of his eyes, defies belief. It’s absolutely pathetic. Besides, Nevill was unable to speak due to being already shot upstairs and having his tongue almost ripped out, his jawbone smashed, and his throat full of blood.

I can't be bothered to look at this in detail tbh Ispy, the prosecution alleged that he must have opened fire on Nevill and June while they were asleep and that's good enough for me. It's up to JB supporters to come up with an alternative where SC and NB are up and about before the shooting starts.

The idea that SC comes in, starts shooting June, misses NB who then runs down to make a quick phone call to JB before coming back up to get shot and run back down again is just plain silly but equally silly is the notion that SC & NB are downstairs, SC with the gun "going crazy" but yet to shoot anyone and NB decides to call JB.

It all comes back to JBs claim that his father called.

Then you add in the fact that there wasn't a speck of evidence on Sheila, the blood in the silencer and JMs evidence and come to the conclusion that 2 jury members needed their bumps felt.