Was Sheila and Jeremy's adoption an issue?

[APRIL]

I agree.  He had a choice, and he made the wrong one---that is, IF he is guilty.

Unlike Sheila. If she committed the murders, it was, IMO, a result of not being in control, owing to her illness.

Another reason I wanted it NOT to be Jeremy.I could have forgiven Sheila because she was ill.

[G-Unit]

My mum wasn't adopted per se, but she was brought up by her grandparents, only finding out that the person she thought was her oldest sister, was actually her birth mother. She had a good childhood but has always felt rejected since finding out aged about 7 years old from another sister (actually her aunt) after a disagreement. It's affected my mum all of her life because it was never openly discussed and I think she always felt like she was a dirty secret. They all probably thought they were doing the best for everyone, but, her real mum (my gran) went on to have other children and my mum missed out on getting to know them and they had no idea about my mum until recently. One  big mess really that had ramifications for everyone.

As a teenager I had a friend in exactly the same position. Neither her mother nor her grandmother were prepared to discuss it with her and it was very painful for her. When I traced my birth mother she was dead, but I contacted my half sisters because I was two years old when I was adopted. They were older and I thought they might remember me and might have wondered where I'd gone. It turned out they had never seen me and never been told, so it was an awful shock for them. I was unable to discover where I was for the first two years of my life.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Jesus, what a family.  June was a religious nutter and Neville doesn't seem to have been much better, but they were allowed to adopt two children who according to this both turned into nutters not surprisingly, if indeed Jeremy did actually commit the murders.

I am horrified reading this.

Nevill wasn’t horrible or mentally ill, Eleanor. He was the very opposite. Well-liked for his gregarious, fun-loving nature, kindness, generosity and understanding nature. That’s a dreadful slur to make!

Incidentally, psychopaths such as Jeremy are either born with psychopathy or may develop it due to a head injury. It isn’t caused by upbringing at all — it’s a personality disorder that’s untreatable and incurable.

[Holly Goodhead]

I agree.  He had a choice, and he made the wrong one---that is, IF he is guilty.

Unlike Sheila. If she committed the murders, it was, IMO, a result of not being in control, owing to her illness.

IMO SC suffered a disorganised attachment as a result of June's serious mental illness when SC was circa 2 yoa.  The following study shows a correlation between adult disorganised attachment styles and filicide:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/261874950_Mothers_who_murdered_their_child_An_attachment-based_study_on_filicide

[APRIL]

Nevill wasn’t horrible or mentally ill, Eleanor. He was the very opposite. Well-liked for his gregarious, fun-loving nature, kindness, generosity and understanding nature. That’s a dreadful slur to make!

Incidentally, psychopaths such as Jeremy are either born with psychopathy or may develop it due to a head injury. It isn’t caused by upbringing at all — it’s a personality disorder that’s untreatable and incurable.

It may NOT be caused by upbringing, yet the nature/nurture debate continues.

[Angelo222]

I agree.  He had a choice, and he made the wrong one---that is, IF he is guilty.

Unlike Sheila. If she committed the murders, it was, IMO, a result of not being in control, owing to her illness.

It took someone in full command of their senses to carry out those murders imo.  They were just far too clinical to have been the result of a spur-of-the-moment temporary insanity. IMO, Bamber made a fatal error in trying to blame Sheila for his murderous handiwork. He didn't think it all out properly, using a .22 peashooter to murder adults was his first amateurish error but then he had to use a weapon which was available in the farmhouse if he was to blame Sheila.

[John]

Please note that the original thread has been separated into three new threads given the frequency of off-topic posts.

Please post according to the thread title. Thank you!

[Caroline]

It took someone in full command of their senses to carry out those murders imo.  They were just far too clinical to have been the result of a spur-of-the-moment temporary insanity. IMO, Bamber made a fatal error in trying to blame Sheila for his murderous handiwork. He didn't think it all out properly, using a .22 peashooter to murder adults was his first amateurish error but then he had to use a weapon which was available in the farmhouse if he was to blame Sheila.

Totally agree!

[ISpyWithMyEye]

I agree.  He had a choice, and he made the wrong one---that is, IF he is guilty.

Unlike Sheila. If she committed the murders, it was, IMO, a result of not being in control, owing to her illness.

I wouldn’t call shooting all your family dead a CHOICE...

[ISpyWithMyEye]

IMO SC suffered a disorganised attachment as a result of June's serious mental illness when SC was circa 2 yoa.  The following study shows a correlation between adult disorganised attachment styles and filicide:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/261874950_Mothers_who_murdered_their_child_An_attachment-based_study_on_filicide

But your opinion isn’t valid, Holly — you’re not a psychiatrist.

You can’t say why Sheila developed mild schizophrenia in just the same way you can’t say Jeremy was a psychopath due to June having breakdowns

[ISpyWithMyEye]

It may NOT be caused by upbringing, yet the nature/nurture debate continues.

Not where psychopathy is concerned, April

Nor Schizophrenia

[APRIL]

Not where psychopathy is concerned, April

Nor Schizophrenia

Interesting. I did some work on a paper in the 90's, discussing a possible link between double bind schizophrenia and adopted children.

[mrswah]

I wouldn’t call shooting all your family dead a CHOICE...

Of course it was a choice, if Jeremy did it. He could have chosen not to.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Of course it was a choice, if Jeremy did it. He could have chosen not to.

It wasn’t a choice: it was a cold-hearted psychopath DECISION in order to get his thieving paws on ALL the inheritance.

[Holly Goodhead]

But your opinion isn’t valid, Holly — you’re not a psychiatrist.

You can’t say why Sheila developed mild schizophrenia in just the same way you can’t say Jeremy was a psychopath due to June having breakdowns

I never said I was a psychiatrist but it doesn't prevent me forming opinions and posting them here much the same way others do with regard to their opinions and beliefs JB is a psychopath.