Did Jeremy Bamber exhibit psychopathic tendencies?

[Eleanor]

A baby girl and a baby boy.

So what happened?

[APRIL]

So what happened?

Conditional love. Too little positive affirmation. Unrealistic expectations. Disregard of their individual needs.

[Caroline]

Please provide the supporting material.

Where is your supporting material for your analysis on June turning her children into mentally ill adults? This is a horrible thread and it's beneath you.

[Holly Goodhead]

Where is your supporting material for your analysis on June turning her children into mentally ill adults? This is a horrible thread and it's beneath you.

https://developingchild.harvard.edu/resources/maternal-depression-can-undermine-the-development-of-young-children/

[Caroline]

https://developingchild.harvard.edu/resources/maternal-depression-can-undermine-the-development-of-young-children/

That's it? You opinion and an article? You constantly state that you only listen to expert opinion and yet here you are relying on the opinions and gossip of others, having never met or interacted with any of those in question - other than an individual convicted of killing them? Like I said, it's beneath you and certainly shows an affiliation with Bamber because of his adoption. Not really going to stand you in good stead as a serious contender in the science world because you're coming from a position of bias. Like I said, it's beneath you and a lot of the posts almost sound like baying.

[Holly Goodhead]

That's it? You opinion and an article? You constantly state that you only listen to expert opinion and yet here you are relying on the opinions and gossip of others, having never met or interacted with any of those in question - other than an individual convicted of killing them? Like I said, it's beneath you and certainly shows an affiliation with Bamber because of his adoption. Not really going to stand you in good stead as a serious contender in the science world because you're coming from a position of bias. Like I said, it's beneath you and a lot of the posts almost sound like baying.

An article?  You mean decades of research by a variety of experts at the top of their game showing how babies/small children are put at risk by maternal depression.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Holly will be saying next that it was all June's fault that the two adopted children grew up 'damaged'.

She does say that doesn't she?  It's the victims' faults for all being so effed up, no wonder they all  died, the bunch of barmpots were asking for it from the word go.  That seems to be the gist of the argument.

[Caroline]

An article?  You mean decades of research by a variety of experts at the top of their game showing how babies/small children are put at risk by maternal depression.

Is it about the Bambers or just something you're applying to the Bambers?

[APRIL]

She does say that doesn't she?  It's the victims' faults for all being so effed up, no wonder they all  died, the bunch of barmpots were asking for it from the word go.  That seems to be the gist of the argument.

To be fair, this may be less about June, than that, back then, countless women were allowed to adopt, who should never have been. I have to hold to children aren't ever responsible for adults' behaviours and I believe in the old adage "As you sow, so shall you reap" because I see it played out on a daily basis.

[Caroline]

She does say that doesn't she?  It's the victims' faults for all being so effed up, no wonder they all  died, the bunch of barmpots were asking for it from the word go.  That seems to be the gist of the argument.

That's how I read it also. How many kid grow up in household worse than this and don't kill anyone? Kid who grew up in care? Were abused? The whole thing is just an excuse for Bamber and a bit sickening!

[Caroline]

To be fair, this may be less about June, than that, back then, countless women were allowed to adopt, who should never have been. I have to hold to children aren't ever responsible for adults' behaviours and I believe in the old adage "As you sow, so shall you reap" because I see it played out on a daily basis.

I hear your argument Jane but many people have kids who shouldn't even be responsible for a goldfish. I don't believe Sheila hated her mother but I think she probably said things to others in order to sounds off - but never once did she talk about killing her. Show me a family that hold up their hands and say "We were completely normal" and I'll show you a liar I believe Bamber had given that impression in his blogs.

[APRIL]

I hear your argument Jane but many people have kids who shouldn't even be responsible for a goldfish. I don't believe Sheila hated her mother but I think she probably said things to others in order to sounds off - but never once did she talk about killing her. Show me a family that hold up their hands and say "We were completely normal" and I'll show you a liar I believe Bamber had given that impression in his blogs.

Caroline, that's not my argument. I'm more inclined to see Sheila as hating herself rather than hating her mother. Even towards the end of her life, she claimed to have accepted God because it would help her relationship with June. To me, it sounds like a child craving affection. Whilst I have no ideas what "normal" is, you'd be really amazed at the number of people who talk to me about being "normal, like us"!!!!

[G-Unit]

I don’t have a problem: Dr Ferguson’s statement is actually in CAL’s book.

I don’t have it at the moment, but I certainly shall post the link

Dr Ferguson never gave an opinion on Jeremy Bamber except to say Sheila had no problem with him.

The mention of a defence psychiatrist by CAL was taken fron Blood Relations by Roger Wilkes. Perhaps this man's name is in that book? I don't have it. Rather scarily, he is reported to have seen Jeremy's 'very real belief that he didn't commit the crimes' as the main sign of his psychopathy.

[Common sense]

I believe the reason he refuses to let anyone see those reports is that it does indeed state he’s a psychopath (people have seen them including myself), and he doesn’t want his CT to know, nor anyone else, as it proves he’s capable of murder.

Yep, he knows that a person would have to have some psychopathy to plan and carry out the murders but also, it ties in with his polygraph stunt, which any right minded person dismisses with "a psychopath can pass one" - but he's not a psychopath they retort, he's had 27 tests... ( or so he claims ) - the fact that the polygraph is utterly useless anyway doesn't matter to them.

I think you posted something about online psychopathy tests and instinctively knowing the answers a while back - I took two and surprise surprise, I was able to score top and bottom marks. 

[Angelo222]

Bamber's NOMIS files are confidential and something only he, the courts and prison/probation staff would be privy to.

I think it's very telling how he has his campaign team keep insisting he is not a psychopath which makes me think he took exception to something in his pre sentencing reports. He certainly took exception to Kerry Daynes diagnosing him as a psychopath, it seems to hurt his feelings.

Too many people who had direct contact with Jeremy Bamber have made the same claim that he had psychopathic tendencies. He has never accepted this and now he has probably grown out of it in middle age and will never accept it just as he doesn't have the savvy to put his hands up to the killings which would stand him in good stead in the future. His continual denial isn't fooling anyone but then he knows that if he admits to murdering his adoptive nephews in cold blood he would present as a target in prison so woukd end up in isolation.