Did Jeremy Bamber Have An Affair With Charles Marsden?

[Caroline]

Didn't Jeremy describe his relationship with his parents as normal? Normal, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder imo.

Read his blog. Given your opinion, you might like to explain his rosey accounts?

[G-Unit]

Read his blog. Given your opinion, you might like to explain his rosey accounts?

As opposed to who else's accounts?

[Nicholas]

I’ve seen the name, Charles Marsden, but don’t recall who he actually is. Does anyone know?

Whilst searching for some factual evidence last night at someone’s request, I stumbled upon some of Julie Mugford’s witness statements where she discusses Jeremy’s bisexuality.

She said he kept a photo of his NZ lover, Ray, on his dresser and admitted to Julie he’d had a gay affair with him, but it was a “one-off”...

Julie seemed so gullible

She then said how Jeremy flirted with both Brett, including another man at the bar they’d gone to on the NIGHT OF THE FUNERALS.

She also stated how she was approached by a friend of Charles Marsden, Sarah, who burst into tears and told Julie she needed to tell her something. She said she’d been invited back to Jeremy’s home for drinks, and that both he and Charles shared the same bed. She admitted that Jeremy began caressing her, in which she consented to, but then saw that Jeremy and Charles were fondling each other. Sarah got up and left, feeling very upset.

When Julie told Jeremy what Sarah had said, he got angry and said “If I see her I will go for her!” That’s scary isn’t it? it definitely shows how he loses his temper and how he’d attack a woman who “got in his way”...

Back to Charles Marsden...who actually was he, I wonder?

So maybe this is what April was referring to when she mentioned ‘threesomes‘ ?

When did this happen ?

[APRIL]

As opposed to who else's accounts?

And just suppose a. n. others' accounts contradict it? Other than some notes by police -who were subsequently accused of collusion- it's possible there are others which don't agree?

[Nicholas]

I’ve seen the name, Charles Marsden, but don’t recall who he actually is. Does anyone know?

Whilst searching for some factual evidence last night at someone’s request, I stumbled upon some of Julie Mugford’s witness statements where she discusses Jeremy’s bisexuality.

She said he kept a photo of his NZ lover, Ray, on his dresser and admitted to Julie he’d had a gay affair with him, but it was a “one-off”...

Julie seemed so gullible

She then said how Jeremy flirted with both Brett, including another man at the bar they’d gone to on the NIGHT OF THE FUNERALS.

She also stated how she was approached by a friend of Charles Marsden, Sarah, who burst into tears and told Julie she needed to tell her something. She said she’d been invited back to Jeremy’s home for drinks, and that both he and Charles shared the same bed. She admitted that Jeremy began caressing her, in which she consented to, but then saw that Jeremy and Charles were fondling each other. Sarah got up and left, feeling very upset.

When Julie told Jeremy what Sarah had said, he got angry and said “If I see her I will go for her!”  That’s scary isn’t it? it definitely shows how he loses his temper and how he’d attack a woman who “got in his way”...

Back to Charles Marsden...who actually was he, I wonder?

JM”s witness statement
“When Jeremy returned from the farm that lunchtime I asked him why he lied to me and he told me he had not and that Sarah was neurotic and fancied him and wanted to sleep with him”

[G-Unit]

And just suppose a. n. others' accounts contradict it? Other than some notes by police -who were subsequently accused of collusion- it's possible there are others which don't agree?

I had a quick look and he thought their relationships were OK. Others didn't, but relationships are judged subjectively.

[Nicholas]

JM”s witness statement
“When Jeremy returned from the farm that lunchtime I asked him why he lied and to me and he told me and he told me he had not and that Sarah was neurotic and fancied him and wanted to sleep with him”

Another ‘red flag’

‘Why You Should Be Wary of Someone Who Calls Their Ex “Crazy”“In many cases, it’s a warning sign when someone calls their ex "crazy." In some relationships, one partner ends up acting “crazy” because, as a pattern, they have been lied to, controlled, cheated on, or manipulated. Such experiences can cause so much distress and anxiety that the individual becomes overly emotional, stuck in a fight-or-flight response given their intuition that the relationship isn’t emotionally safe. In many cases, it can be the one calling the other “crazy” who is actually fairly disordered.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/insight-is-2020/201911/why-you-should-be-wary-someone-who-calls-their-ex-crazy

[Nicholas]

Another ‘red flag’

‘Why You Should Be Wary of Someone Who Calls Their Ex “Crazy”“In many cases, it’s a warning sign when someone calls their ex "crazy." In some relationships, one partner ends up acting “crazy” because, as a pattern, they have been lied to, controlled, cheated on, or manipulated. Such experiences can cause so much distress and anxiety that the individual becomes overly emotional, stuck in a fight-or-flight response given their intuition that the relationship isn’t emotionally safe. In many cases, it can be the one calling the other “crazy” who is actually fairly disordered.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/insight-is-2020/201911/why-you-should-be-wary-someone-who-calls-their-ex-crazy

“If you start dating someone who calls their ex "crazy," it's worth discussing with a therapist or a few trusted friends what such a negative, all-or-nothing characterization says about the person you started dating. Rather than calling their ex "crazy," it would be a healthier sign to hear your date share the following information about the past relationship: “My relationship with my ex wasn’t a good one, and it didn’t meet my needs. I will spare you the details, but there were things so-and-so did that were a problem. I also have to take some accountability for the fact that I voluntarily chose that person in the first place.

[Nicholas]

I’ve seen the name, Charles Marsden, but don’t recall who he actually is. Does anyone know?

Whilst searching for some factual evidence last night at someone’s request, I stumbled upon some of Julie Mugford’s witness statements where she discusses Jeremy’s bisexuality.

She said he kept a photo of his NZ lover, Ray, on his dresser and admitted to Julie he’d had a gay affair with him, but it was a “one-off”...

Julie seemed so gullible

She then said how Jeremy flirted with both Brett, including another man at the bar they’d gone to on the NIGHT OF THE FUNERALS.

She also stated how she was approached by a friend of Charles Marsden, Sarah, who burst into tears and told Julie she needed to tell her something. She said she’d been invited back to Jeremy’s home for drinks, and that both he and Charles shared the same bed. She admitted that Jeremy began caressing her, in which she consented to, but then saw that Jeremy and Charles were fondling each other. Sarah got up and left, feeling very upset.

When Julie told Jeremy what Sarah had said, he got angry and said “If I see her I will go for her!”  That’s scary isn’t it? it definitely shows how he loses his temper and how he’d attack a woman who “got in his way”...

Back to Charles Marsden...who actually was he, I wonder?

JM’s witness statement

“He replied that he had had a gay relationship with Ray but that it was a one off and would never happen again. On the same occasion we also discussed Brett. Jeremy asked me why I was not worried about him. I said I had no worries because Brett was so unattractive. Jeremy agreed with me.

[Nicholas]

JM’s witness statement

“He replied that he had had a gay relationship with Ray but that it was a one off and would never happen again. On the same occasion we also discussed Brett. Jeremy asked me why I was not worried about him. I said I had no worries because Brett was so unattractive. Jeremy agreed with me.

There were references to ‘homosexual liaisons’ in Simon Hall’s case papers, with several references to Scott Doughty.
According to witness statements some of Halls friends/acquaintances suspected something sexual had gone on between them - many others dismissed it. Hall had a girlfriend at the time.

During Halls murder trial Scott Doughty was asked whether he and Hall had ever ‘kissed on the lips’ - Doughty denied it.

Hall had always denied anything went on between him & Doughty and made a comment about his appearance & asked me if I’d ever seen what he looked like.

Before Hall’s confession in 2013 he disclosed he and Doughty had had a sexual relationship.

Did Scott Doughty lie about his sexual relationship with Simon Hall in order to protect his reputation? Was he afraid his drug dealing activities may be uncovered? Or was it a combination of both?

How was Scott Doughty able to live with the fact he'd lied to police during ther investigation and lied during a murder trial?

How did he feel during those 12 years Simon Hall maintained innocence? Why didn't he speak out publicly? Did he tell his friends what he knew? His mum, his partner etc?

Teenage boys’ sexual assault claims refuted by accused Ipswich man

http://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/scott-doughty-sexual-assault-trial-begins-1-5708905

Scott Doughty’s home (He & his then partner were living in a pub called the Brickmakers Arms) was raided by police a few months before Halls murder trial. Several items were seized during the raid, including drugs.
Disclosure was never requested on the findings of this by Hall or his defence team/s.

Scott Doughty was a prosecution witness at Simon Halls trial. Based on evidence that came to light Scott Doughty clearly perjured himself by lying under oath.

Did witnesses in Bamber’s murder trial do the same?

Was Charles Marsden ever asked by police about a possible sexual relationship he may have had with Bamber?

Was Brett Collins?

Was ‘Ray’ ever tracked down and interviewed?

[Nicholas]

There appears to have been an unhealthy interest preoccupation with JB's sexuality.

The ‘unhealthy interest’ appears to be nothing more than attempting to understand Bamber as a person

[Caroline]

As opposed to who else's accounts?

Well for starters - you own!

[Nicholas]

I watched Sky's 'Killing Mum and Dad'. It was hilarious as they suggested Jeremy drove the tractor dressed just like Adam Ant; velvet coat, the lot.

Did Bamber ever make comment over that performance like he did with Freddie Fox and WHF drama series ?

[Nicholas]

Looking back on these decade old documents it's interesting to see how some police officers and the likes of RWB were anti gay.  I'm sure most who were anti were just that but maybe some were conflicted and JB aroused uncomfortable thoughts.

There appears to have been an unhealthy interest preoccupation with JB's sexuality.

Dr Michael Naughton told me after Simon Hall confessed that there had been many ‘behind the scene’ rumours regarding Simon Halls sexuality

Why didn’t he mention it until after Halls guilt had been exposed ?

[Nicholas]

JB considered CM a good friend.  He was around the same age, local and a computer salesman.  He was part of the group that hung out in the local watering holes.

He was also a former boyfriend of JM's close pal Liz Rimington (2 m's?).

Was he a ‘good friend’ or did Bamber find Charles Marsden someone he could easily manipulate ?