Did Jeremy Bamber Have An Affair With Charles Marsden?

[Holly Goodhead]

There is

‘She told detectives in 1985 that she had suddenly found herself in Jeremy’s bedroom with him, ‘on top of me having intercourse’.
The following day, the girl wondered whether she had been drugged. Feeling ‘shocked, angry and abused’ after hearing that Jeremy had told Julie about the episode, she called at the cottage while Jeremy was working.

(Courtesy of Carol Ann Lee ‘The Murders at White House Farm)

What was CAL's source for this?

[Nicholas]

julies sleeping tablets. 

Don’t know the date when Julie was prescribed the temazepam but if the ‘incident’ occurred in early 1984 it’s unlikely they were involved

But Bamber was a drug dealer was he not AA? Of would then follow he would have known how to source sleeping pills

Didn’t his mother have sleeping pills too ?

[Nicholas]

You’re asking the wrong person Nicholas.

I’m not asking you the question because I think you might know the answer AA

You’ve made it clear numerous times you don’t have a clue about the case

And your posts support this

It’s more likely your mind is working overtime again. 

Much of the time, especially when replying to you, I ask questions to put an idea out there - in the hope you might engage your brain AA - to quote your good self ‘I’d bet my best hat on it!‘

[Nicholas]

The couple were doing what loads couples do Each weekend.  The actions of two very drunk and people who could have been smoking as well.

Again, you have no evidence whatsoever that they were both ‘very drunk’ nor is there any evidence they had ‘been smoking as well’

Please stop making things up!

[Nicholas]

Both completely off their faces however Sarah seems somewhat ashamed by her actions and has seemingly tried to put the blame on Jeremy, just like many others.

You see, your making things up again! 

From Sarah’s witness statement,

‘Shocked, angry & abused’

[Nicholas]

Sarah seems somewhat ashamed by her actions and has seemingly tried to put the blame on Jeremy, just like many others.

Only yesterday these allegations concerned you - today you’ve dismissed them 

You initially stated you didn’t want to hear anymore and even used the word ‘vile’

sickening and concerning if true.

I am hoping to God this is not true or that I'm seeing a pattern with these women.

You should give your head a wobble AA

[Nicholas]

I don’t presume to think what other people are thinking Nicholas....that’s very dangerous and causes things to be twisted and distorted to jeremys detriment each time.

You do

It’s more likely your mind is working overtime again. 

[Nicholas]

I don’t presume to think what other people are thinking Nicholas....that’s very dangerous and causes things to be twisted and distorted to jeremys detriment each time.

‘Jeremy detriment’ or to your own detriment ?

[Nicholas]

I believe there was a short relationship with a woman called Ann?

‘Anne’ was apparently a barmaid from Colchester

There’s no evidence they had a one-night stand only that they met up - it’s not known what date he met with er though it apparently occurred after the murders between the times he was seeing Julie, Virginia and Anji

[Nicholas]

That wasn't the emphasis of CAL's book.

Suspect that went over her head too 

[Nicholas]

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See the subtle anomalies at paras 3 and 8 from book excerpt in marked lines.  CM says "...if the farmhouse were to burn down..."  Stan Jones says "...you told him that if you burned the house down with all them in it

What do the official documents state ?

[Nicholas]

.....but she has used it to try and support her story through character assassination in order to support her theory of guilt.


Her writing in this particular instance has no weight and depth to it....until you come on here and opposers will certainly tell you exactly what Bamber was thinking, what conversations he had, what advantages he took of people etc.

He story is not based on facts!  It is a story...it’s make believe.

 

[Nicholas]

.....but she has used it to try and support her story through character assassination in order to support her theory of guilt.


Her writing in this particular instance has no weight and depth to it....until you come on here and opposers will certainly tell you exactly what Bamber was thinking, what conversations he had, what advantages he took of people etc.

He story is not based on facts!  It is a story...it’s make believe.

CAL’s book is based on facts Aunt Agatha - her ‘facts’ come from original police documents

[Holly Goodhead]

CAL’s book is based on facts Aunt Agatha - her ‘facts’ come from original police documents

CAL provides cites but that doesn't mean what is cited is factually correct.

[Nicholas]

CAL provides cites but that doesn't mean what is cited is factually correct.

I’m not making that claim though am I Holly

And I’ve already stated I don’t always agree with CAL’s interpretation

For example, CAL referred to Sarah as Julie’s ‘friend’ but Julie referred to Sarah as ‘an associate of Charles Marsden’

Sarah may have referred to Julie as a ‘friend’ in her witness statement and this may be why CAL stated what she did but I’ve seen no evidence from Julie’s evidence that her and Sarah were ‘friends’ per se plus Julie made it clear Bamber had told her to keep away from Sarah and said she was ‘neurotic’

I’ve not read CAL’s book and have only read snippets taken from google. She doesn’t appear to have fully explored the Virginia and Anji Greaves story but that may because the information she needed to do so isn’t in the public domain nor contained in or disclosed by police records ?

And I don’t know if CAL touched on or explored the toxic, emotional and psychological abusive relationship Julie had with Bamber - as I see it

Coercive or controlling behaviour wasn’t passed as a crime until 2015 which I think was the year CAL’s book was published?

CAL may not even have recognised this as a feature in this case or she may have recognised it but chose to not write about it and present it from that angle ?