Did Jeremy Bamber Have An Affair With Charles Marsden?

[Nicholas]

Yeh, a pretty juvenile excuse that didn't wash; he just wanted the cash, in my opinion.
But it points to a devious mind in development and an escalation of activity.

And criminal versatility

[The General]

And criminal versatility

So establishing the timing and nature of the arson attacks would be interesting, if nothing else.

[Nicholas]

Bamber’s website states here https://jeremybamber.org/robert-boutflour/

‘Jeremy had expressed his concern with crime and intruders at the caravan site and had wanted to introduce new technologies such as CCTV cameras. Jeremy was unconvinced that the manager of the Site, Jim Carr was doing an adequate job, and so to prove his point further, he burgled the caravan park’

Even Bamber’s website states ‘to prove his point further’ ?

Could this be an indication he’d committed previous crime at the caravan site

[Nicholas]

So establishing the timing and nature of the arson attacks would be interesting, if nothing else.

Think it would be helpful

Plus Bamber had talked to Charles Marsden about ‘arson’ albeit apparently in Dec ‘84

In December 1984, Jeremy had announced that his entire family were getting together to celebrate Christimas.  This was unusual.  During a drinking session at a wine bar in Maldon, Jeremy had confided to Charles Marsden that if the farmhouse were to burn down over Christmas, everything would be his.  'I thought at the time that this was a strange thing to say,' Marsden reported, 'but didn't particularly take any notice.'

[Nicholas]

So establishing the timing and nature of the arson attacks would be interesting, if nothing else.

Did Bamber hope to claim on the insurance?


‘The appellant said that the Osea Road Caravan Site company, "would be able to stand him a Porsche" car at some point during the year.

http://www.homepage-link.to/justice/judgements/Bamber/index.html

[The General]

Did Bamber hope to claim on the insurance?


‘The appellant said that the Osea Road Caravan Site company, "would be able to stand him a Porsche" car at some point during the year.

http://www.homepage-link.to/justice/judgements/Bamber/index.html

That could be construed that, when taking ownership, the park was relatively lucrative as a going concern.

[Nicholas]

Interesting point. They may well have been.

He robbed and trashed the place so it’s reasonable to assume he was capable of having been involved in the arson offences

[The General]

He robbed and trashed the place so it’s reasonable to assume he was capable of having been involved in the arson offences

Gotta be careful with arson. Although there's the assumption that he's a psychopath, I don't think he's stupid enough to torch potentially occupied premises when embarking on planning for a much larger enterprise.
If he knew certain units were unoccupied, then there's scope there for a bit of trial and error.

[Nicholas]

Gotta be careful with arson. Although there's the assumption that he's a psychopath, I don't think he's stupid enough to torch potentially occupied premises when embarking on planning for a much larger enterprise.
If he knew certain units were unoccupied, then there's scope there for a bit of trial and error.

Found the following

9 FEB 1984 THURS.A CHALET BURNT DOWN Roger Wilkes book ‘Blood Relations’ page 54.

2ND MARCH 1984 FRIDAY SHOP BURNT DOWN ARSON SUSPECTED Roger Wilkes ‘Blood Relations’ page 54/55

7TH MARCH 1984  DIRECTORS MEETING - AGREED TO BUILD NEW SHOP. Did Neville Bamber suspect JB of burning down shop at Osea? Did Neville Bamber appease JB with offer of cottage in Goldhanger so keeping peace in family? Roger Wilkes book (Blood Relations) page 54.

APRIL 1984 JB  MOVES INTO HEAD STREET COTTAGE Julie Mugford Police Statement 8/9/September 1985  Sheet 2.

MARCH 1985 OSEA ROAD TO OPEN FOR SEASON. Roger Wilkes book Blood Relations page 54

MARCH 22 1985 OSEA OFFICE BURGLED £1,000 STOLEN   Sheet 16 Julie Mugford Police Statement 8/9 Sept.1985   Also Police Statement sheet 14/15 on  10th Sept. 1985. JB was eventually charged with break in at Osea. NB also told BW he was aware that his son was guilty.  Source -BW Author CAL interviews 2014 chapter 15/page121

EASTER WEEKEND WAS APRIL 7TH 1985. -   JUST BEFORE EASTER JB MENTIONED KILLING FAMILY AGAIN. Julie Mugford Police Statement 8/9/Sept. Sheet 8

APRIL EASTER TIME 1985 JB HAS ARGUMENT WITH MOTHER. JB SAYS TO JM HE WON'T TALK TO MOTHER AGAIN UNLESS SHE WRITES HIM A CHEQUE. Did NB know about this? Can't find this, but think it was from Julie Mugford Police statements

2ND MAY 1985 OSEA SHAREHOLDERS MEETING . JEREMY ANGRY ! (Blood Relations) page 55

June 1985 RENT REVIEW WHF. WINTER 1984/85 PRE; DETAILED REPORT ON COND. OF PLOTS ON OSEA ROAD SITE. Souce Roger Wilkes Blood Relations chapter 3 page 51

[The General]

Found the following

Yes. He did all of those, in my opinion. No occupancy.
And it wasn't about 'improving security'.
He's testing proof of concept.

[Nicholas]

Yes. He did all of those, in my opinion. No occupancy.
And it wasn't about 'improving security'.
He's testing proof of concept.

I think so too

[Nicholas]

9 FEB 1984 THURS.A CHALET BURNT DOWN Roger Wilkes book ‘Blood Relations’ page 54.

2ND MARCH 1984 FRIDAY SHOP BURNT DOWN ARSON SUSPECTED Roger Wilkes ‘Blood Relations’ page 54/55

7TH MARCH 1984  DIRECTORS MEETING - AGREED TO BUILD NEW SHOP. Did Neville Bamber suspect JB of burning down shop at Osea? Did Neville Bamber appease JB with offer of cottage in Goldhanger so keeping peace in family? Roger Wilkes book (Blood Relations) page 54.

APRIL 1984 JB  MOVES INTO HEAD STREET COTTAGE Julie Mugford Police Statement 8/9/September 1985  Sheet 2.

Were these incidents ever investigated by the police ?

And only a few months after these arson attacks Bamber was involved with the drugging and sexual assault of Sarah

Could he have done this to other girls ?

And could the reason he chose to go clubbing in London be because he was on the lookout for further victims to drug and sexually assault ?

[Nicholas]

All these incidents bring to mind again the ‘criminal spin”

‘Criminal spin is a phenomenological model in criminology, depicting the development of criminal behavior. The model refers to those types of behavior that start out as something small and innocent, without malicious or criminal intent and as a result of one situation leading to the next, an almost inevitable chain of reactions triggering counter-reactions is set in motion, culminating in a spin of ever-intensifying criminal behavior.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_spin

[Nicholas]

“James Carr, manager of the Bamber family’s Osea Road caravan park, found Jeremy thoroughly disagreeable:

‘He was growing up to be quite a nasty piece of work. Even at a young age he would tell me I was just an employee.’

James’s son Robert recalled Jeremy

‘could be very cruel to animals and he used to take great delight in throwing stones at waterhen chicks and hitting farm animals with sticks. He did not have a warm relationship with his parents.’

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3157376/Now-know-Bamber-did-Crime-writer-s-definitive-verdict-public-schoolboy-slaughtered-entire-family-30-years-ago-tried-frame-dead-sister-protested-innocence.html

[Nicholas]

Julie says in her witness statement,

‘Last summer I was approached by a girl called Sarah’ who is an associate of Charles Marsden’s’

Summer would suggest June onwards - so it appears this ‘incident’ would have taken place in the second half of the year and not the first half as suggest by CAL - although Julie could be mistaken with the timings and Sarah may have said it occurred earlier ?

Julie also states,

‘I must admit that I believed Sarah as I could see no reason for her approach to me in such a state if nothing had happened”

It then appears Bamber used violence in order to get Julie to submit

She goes on to states,

“As a result of his actions” she’s referring to his violent outburst “I changed my mind, told him I believed him and he returned to work”