What Time Roughly Was The Bedroom Telephone Put In The Kitchen?

[Holly Goodhead]

I believe Babs Wilson plugged the fawn phone into the upstairs office phone socket to see if it was in working order and it was.  This socket was obviously compatible either as a standalone or with an adapter but was the kitchen/drinks cupboard socket compatible and if not did the Bamber's have another adapter? 

[ISpyWithMyEye]

I haven't previously seen that image?

The phone usually kept in the kitchen was described as fawn by housekeeper Jean Boutell.

That’s the CREAM phone that was the KITCHEN phone

The engineer said “CREAM phone”

 

[ISpyWithMyEye]

I seem to recall a very lengthy -tedious?- debate on blue, re the colour of the phone. Names like beige, biscuit, and fawn being bandied about. It definitely wasn't cream -both mine, at the time, were cream. A replacement cream was sent which turned out to be fawn. There was a distinct difference.

Fawn and cream are similar, and everyone sees colours slightly differently

The cream ROTARY phone — which the engineer made no mention of it being — was more white than cream. The shade ivory does look white, depending on where it’s situated.

Whatever, the fact is that phone is not a rotary phone, and that engineer was SO specific in his detail. He’d DEFINITELY have said it was a rotary style one.

On top of that, that phone in the kitchen was in perfect working order, and that was proven.

So Jeremy is snookered.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Jean Boutell differentiates.  She refers to the phone usually kept in the Bamber's bedroom as cream and the phone usually kept in the kitchen as fawn.

Mr Pike refers to the phone he observed in the kitchen on 5th Aug as cream.

Considering Mr Pike worked with telephones and HE described the kitchen phone as CREAM, I’d take his word over people who popped by and saw it at a distance. And why on earth would he have gone into such detail but not mentioned it was a rotary phone when they were becoming dated in the 1980s?

The light can make colours of objects, walls, paint seem lighter/darker or even different.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

So it seems to me a possible explanation for the cream phone brought down to the kitchen from upstairs is that without the 2 way adapter handed over to Mr Pike, the fawn coloured phone was incompatible with the GPO socket.

And THAT cream phone (which you like to call fawn) was kept in the kitchen as June didn’t get on with the walkabout.

Are you seriously trying to suggest that when Nevill was out on the farm all day, doing deliveries etc, and June was downstairs in the kitchen, sitting room — where we all go during the day — she had to run upstairs into the bedroom every time the phone rang? Really???

When she was making her pineapple upside cakes, flour all over her hands, she would drop everything and dash upstairs to answer the phone?

That’s why they had a double socket! So they could plug in the cream kitchen phone and the walkabout.

When the engineer took the faulty walkabout and double connector, the cream kitchen phone would have been plugged into the socket! It’s so obvious!

What is more, that two plug socket would accommodate the same style phone plugs. Both sockets would have been identical, which means both phones (the cream kitchen one and the walkabout) must have had identical plugs. That’s a fact. A fact you can’t dispute.



And if Nevill needed to ask her something, or she needed to call someone, she had to go upstairs and make phone calls from the bedroom?

Don’t be ridiculous

[G-Unit]

Considering Mr Pike worked with telephones and HE described the kitchen phone as CREAM, I’d take his word over people who popped by and saw it at a distance. And why on earth would he have gone into such detail but not mentioned it was a rotary phone when they were becoming dated in the 1980s?

The light can make colours of objects, walls, paint seem lighter/darker or even different.

The fact that he described it as a GPO phone is more interesting. At the time many people still had the standard GPO phones which were by default the rotary ones; in homes and in telephone boxes.

[Caroline]

I looked at the bedroom photos. Neither of the bedside tables in the main bedroom had a gap where a phone could have been placed.

Who cares what you looked at?  It's WELL documented that the dial phone is from the bedroom. Read Jean Boutell's (so?) WS. Also, Myster posted a clear picture of  the top of the bedside table and you can clearly see where the phone was.

[Holly Goodhead]

And THAT cream phone (which you like to call fawn) was kept in the kitchen as June didn’t get on with the walkabout.

Are you seriously trying to suggest that when Nevill was out on the farm all day, doing deliveries etc, and June was downstairs in the kitchen, sitting room — where we all go during the day — she had to run upstairs into the bedroom every time the phone rang? Really???

When she was making her pineapple upside cakes, flour all over her hands, she would drop everything and dash upstairs to answer the phone?

That’s why they had a double socket! So they could plug in the cream kitchen phone and the walkabout.

When the engineer took the faulty walkabout and double connector, the cream kitchen phone would have been plugged into the socket! It’s so obvious!

What is more, that two plug socket would accommodate the same style phone plugs. Both sockets would have been identical, which means both phones (the cream kitchen one and the walkabout) must have had identical plugs. That’s a fact. A fact you can’t dispute.



And if Nevill needed to ask her something, or she needed to call someone, she had to go upstairs and make phone calls from the bedroom?

Don’t be ridiculous

Mr Pike referred to a phone in the kitchen as cream in colour AND of the type issued by the GPO.  He was clearly referring to the rotary dial phone not the more modern fawn phone.

WHF had one tel line.  Prior to the cordless phone taken away on 5th Aug for repair, the cream rotary phone was usually in the Bamber's bedroom.  A blue phone was always kept/used in the upstairs office.  The fawn phone was plugged into a two way adapter in the drinks cupboard which was accessible to the kitchen.  The cordless phone was used by NB obviously in various locations and the yard with the charging station connected to the same two way socket as the fawn phone.

June usually had access to the fawn phone in the kitchen via the two way socket.  Upstairs she had access to the cream rotary dial phone usually in her bedroom.

With the cordless phone and two way adapter taken by Mr Pike on 5th Aug it seems the fawn phone was incompatible with the BT socket so the cream rotary dial phone was connected to the BT socket.

[Caroline]

Mr Pike referred to a phone in the kitchen as cream in colour AND of the type issued by the GPO.  He was clearly referring to the rotary dial phone not the more modern fawn phone.

WHF had one tel line.  Prior to the cordless phone taken away on 5th Aug for repair, the cream rotary phone was usually in the Bamber's bedroom.  A blue phone was always kept/used in the upstairs office.  The fawn phone was plugged into a two way adapter in the drinks cupboard which was accessible to the kitchen.  The cordless phone was used by NB obviously in various locations and the yard with the charging station connected to the same two way socket as the fawn phone.

June usually had access to the fawn phone in the kitchen via the two way socket.  Upstairs she had access to the cream rotary dial phone usually in her bedroom.

With the cordless phone and two way adapter taken by Mr Pike on 5th Aug it seems the fawn phone was incompatible with the BT socket so the cream rotary dial phone was connected to the BT socket.

Holly can you PLEASE answer my question on the silencer thread or I swear I will cry and it will be all your fault! 

[ISpyWithMyEye]

The fact that he described it as a GPO phone is more interesting. At the time many people still had the standard GPO phones which were by default the rotary ones; in homes and in telephone boxes.

That cream kitchen phone is a GPO phone

The GPO became BT in 1981 and even prior to that — in the 1970s – the GPO brought out various style telephones in all different colours. They brought out slimline trimphones in the 1970s, including the phone in the picture above showing the Bambers’ kitchen phone.

Before then the sockets were round, so people, rather than buying a new phone or if they liked the one they had, they’d either refit a new plug-in adaptor on it or get BT to do it.

Doesn’t matter, anyway, as everyone knows the ivory rotary phone fitted into the kitchen, as BT listened into the line where the phone was on the worktop.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Mr Pike referred to a phone in the kitchen as cream in colour AND of the type issued by the GPO.  He was clearly referring to the rotary dial phone not the more modern fawn phone.

WHF had one tel line.  Prior to the cordless phone taken away on 5th Aug for repair, the cream rotary phone was usually in the Bamber's bedroom.  A blue phone was always kept/used in the upstairs office.  The fawn phone was plugged into a two way adapter in the drinks cupboard which was accessible to the kitchen.  The cordless phone was used by NB obviously in various locations and the yard with the charging station connected to the same two way socket as the fawn phone.

June usually had access to the fawn phone in the kitchen via the two way socket.  Upstairs she had access to the cream rotary dial phone usually in her bedroom.

With the cordless phone and two way adapter taken by Mr Pike on 5th Aug it seems the fawn phone was incompatible with the BT socket so the cream rotary dial phone was connected to the BT socket.

Mr Pike clearly WASN’T referring to the ROTARY phone — that’s just you panicking

You can SEE that cream kitchen phone, which you keep calling fawn, fitted the new style plug FGS!

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[ISpyWithMyEye]

And what happened to the KITCHEN phone if you’re saying that phone in the picture wasn’t the kitchen one?

Where’s the kitchen phone, Holly?

You can’t answer, can you...

[Holly Goodhead]

Mr Pike clearly WASN’T referring to the ROTARY phone — that’s just you panicking

You can SEE that cream kitchen phone, which you keep calling fawn, fitted the new style plug FGS!

Panicking?  My surname isn't Jones!

I'm not familiar with the image you present as being the fawn coloured phone at WHF.  Do you have anything that clearly ties it in with WHF? 

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Panicking?  My surname isn't Jones!

I'm not familiar with the image you present as being the fawn coloured phone at WHF.  Do you have anything that clearly ties it in with WHF?

Don’t answer my question with a question: that’s rude

I asked you, Holly — WHERE was the kitchen telephone?

The engineer didn’t take it, so where was it?

[Holly Goodhead]

Don’t answer my question with a question: that’s rude

I asked you, Holly — WHERE was the kitchen telephone?

The engineer didn’t take it, so where was it?

WHERE?  When?