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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: What Time Roughly Was The Bedroom Telephone Put In The Kitchen?
« Reply #465 on: June 17, 2020, 12:51:34 PM »
There are all kinds of people using the internet. Some have perfect recall and quote what they have heard or read completely correctly. Others don't. Without a checkable source there's no way of knowing what's correct and what isn't.

Information offered with a verifiable source can be offered as opinion, not as fact.

So in that case then, Gunit, we’ve established Jeremy Bamber doesn’t have perfect recall, either.

In fact, his recall is so bad that when he was pulled in to make another statement under caution at the police station, his recall was SO poor, he asked to see his original statement because he’d forgotten what he’d said — just weeks later.

That REALLY nailed him, that did.

You see, when you’re telling the TRUTH you don’t NEED to look at what you said a few weeks previously. It remains stuck in your head, forever, when a tragedy/massive event occurs.

Psychologists will tell you that people suffering such events remember every tiny detail, even down to the minutia. It becomes frozen in the brain and cannot be forgotten.

Even events that don’t personally have an effect on you, if they’re huge enough you’ll remember certain precise things of that day that you’d normally forget. As an example, I can guarantee to you that you remember EXACTLY where you were and what you were doing when you heard Princess Diana had been killed. Or when you heard about 9/11.

Having all your family murdered is something you’d NEVER forget. You’d even remember what you did the day before it happened.

So Jeremy Bamber has unwittingly proven what a big liar he is.

And the jury realised that.
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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: What Time Roughly Was The Bedroom Telephone Put In The Kitchen?
« Reply #466 on: June 17, 2020, 12:59:04 PM »
If it were proven that he had been diagnosed a psychopath would that change your opinion any re: who committed the murders?


What Gunit is trying to forget, is that Jeremy Bamber proved he’s a psychopath when he shot dead all his family.

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Offline G-Unit

Re: What Time Roughly Was The Bedroom Telephone Put In The Kitchen?
« Reply #467 on: June 17, 2020, 01:02:10 PM »
So in that case then, Gunit, we’ve established Jeremy Bamber doesn’t have perfect recall, either.

In fact, his recall is so bad that when he was pulled in to make another statement under caution at the police station, his recall was SO poor, he asked to see his original statement because he’d forgotten what he’d said — just weeks later.

That REALLY nailed him, that did.

You see, when you’re telling the TRUTH you don’t NEED to look at what you said a few weeks previously. It remains stuck in your head, forever, when a tragedy/massive event occurs.

Psychologists will tell you that people suffering such events remember every tiny detail, even down to the minutia. It becomes frozen in the brain and cannot be forgotten.

Even events that don’t personally have an effect on you, if they’re huge enough you’ll remember certain precise things of that day that you’d normally forget. As an example, I can guarantee to you that remember EXACTLY where you were and what you were doing when you heard Princess Diana had been killed. Or when you heard about 9/11.

Having all your family murdered is something you’d NEVER forget. You’d even remember what you did the day before it happened.

So Jeremy Bamber has unwittingly proven what a big liar he is.

And the jury realised that.

I'm afraid memory is not as reliable as you think it is.

Eyewitness testimony is a potent form of evidence for convicting the accused, but it is subject to unconscious memory distortions and biases even among the most confident of witnesses. So memory can be remarkably accurate or remarkably inaccurate. Without objective evidence, the two are indistinguishable.

https://www.psychologicalscience.org/teaching/myth-eyewitness-testimony-is-the-best-kind-of-evidence.html#:~:text=The%20claim%20that%20eyewitness%20testimony,distortion%20without%20the%20witness's%20awareness.
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Re: What Time Roughly Was The Bedroom Telephone Put In The Kitchen?
« Reply #468 on: June 17, 2020, 01:07:49 PM »

What Gunit is trying to forget, is that Jeremy Bamber proved he’s a psychopath when he shot dead all his family.

As not all psychopaths kill and all murderers aren't psychopaths, nothing has been proved.
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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: What Time Roughly Was The Bedroom Telephone Put In The Kitchen?
« Reply #469 on: June 17, 2020, 01:22:02 PM »
I'm afraid memory is not as reliable as you think it is.

Eyewitness testimony is a potent form of evidence for convicting the accused, but it is subject to unconscious memory distortions and biases even among the most confident of witnesses. So memory can be remarkably accurate or remarkably inaccurate. Without objective evidence, the two are indistinguishable.

https://www.psychologicalscience.org/teaching/myth-eyewitness-testimony-is-the-best-kind-of-evidence.html#:~:text=The%20claim%20that%20eyewitness%20testimony,distortion%20without%20the%20witness's%20awareness.


You haven’t understood what I wrote.

I’m not talking about witnesses trying to remember if they saw or heard anything on a certain day when an event happened that had no impact on them. Everyone knows that it’s hard to think back and remember an ordinary day where nothing extraordinary happened, and you’re asked, for example, if you saw anyone lingering around & what they looked like. That’s why photofits are not always good likenesses: we don’t all walk around studying every passing stranger.

But when a MASSIVE tragic event happens — to you personally — you remember EVERY SINGLE DETAIL.

Why do you think some people develop PTSD after a huge event they’ve been involved in? They suffer because besides it being like an internal nuclear bomb going off in their brain causing terror and horrific after-effects; the IMAGES, SOUNDS, and every other detail of that day becomes embedded in their brain. That’s why some people can never eat a certain food again if when the tragedy happened, they ate that same food on that day: just the sight of the food brings everything to the fore again.

Incidentally, when you put up links/cites from the WWW you need to check you’re getting them from a respected source. There’s lots of BS on the web, that some people who aren’t aware or knowledgable believe just because it’s there. It can look like it’s come from a respected source, but it could easily be a load of tosh. I think most people realise now not to believe  everything they read on the internet...
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Re: What Time Roughly Was The Bedroom Telephone Put In The Kitchen?
« Reply #470 on: June 17, 2020, 03:06:46 PM »

You haven’t understood what I wrote.

I’m not talking about witnesses trying to remember if they saw or heard anything on a certain day when an event happened that had no impact on them. Everyone knows that it’s hard to think back and remember an ordinary day where nothing extraordinary happened, and you’re asked, for example, if you saw anyone lingering around & what they looked like. That’s why photofits are not always good likenesses: we don’t all walk around studying every passing stranger.

But when a MASSIVE tragic event happens — to you personally — you remember EVERY SINGLE DETAIL.

Why do you think some people develop PTSD after a huge event they’ve been involved in? They suffer because besides it being like an internal nuclear bomb going off in their brain causing terror and horrific after-effects; the IMAGES, SOUNDS, and every other detail of that day becomes embedded in their brain. That’s why some people can never eat a certain food again if when they tragedy happened they ate that on that day: just the sight of the food brings everything to the fore again.

Incidentally, when you put up links/cites from the WWW you need to check you’re getting them from a respected source. There’s lots of BS on the web, that some people who aren’t aware or knowledgable believe it just because it’s there. It can look like it’s come from a respected source, but it could easily be a load of tosh. I think most people realise now not to believe  everything they read on the internet...


Hm. 

I was involved in a car accident once. It wasn't a particularly bad one, but I was unable to give the police/insurers all the information they wanted. My mind blanked----------AND, at the time, my husband did not believe me!

Offline G-Unit

Re: What Time Roughly Was The Bedroom Telephone Put In The Kitchen?
« Reply #471 on: June 17, 2020, 03:29:15 PM »

You haven’t understood what I wrote.

I’m not talking about witnesses trying to remember if they saw or heard anything on a certain day when an event happened that had no impact on them. Everyone knows that it’s hard to think back and remember an ordinary day where nothing extraordinary happened, and you’re asked, for example, if you saw anyone lingering around & what they looked like. That’s why photofits are not always good likenesses: we don’t all walk around studying every passing stranger.

But when a MASSIVE tragic event happens — to you personally — you remember EVERY SINGLE DETAIL.

Why do you think some people develop PTSD after a huge event they’ve been involved in? They suffer because besides it being like an internal nuclear bomb going off in their brain causing terror and horrific after-effects; the IMAGES, SOUNDS, and every other detail of that day becomes embedded in their brain. That’s why some people can never eat a certain food again if when they tragedy happened they ate that on that day: just the sight of the food brings everything to the fore again.

Incidentally, when you put up links/cites from the WWW you need to check you’re getting them from a respected source. There’s lots of BS on the web, that some people who aren’t aware or knowledgable believe it just because it’s there. It can look like it’s come from a respected source, but it could easily be a load of tosh. I think most people realise now not to believe  everything they read on the internet...

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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: What Time Roughly Was The Bedroom Telephone Put In The Kitchen?
« Reply #472 on: June 17, 2020, 03:59:26 PM »

Hm. 

I was involved in a car accident once. It wasn't a particularly bad one, but I was unable to give the police/insurers all the information they wanted. My mind blanked----------AND, at the time, my husband did not believe me!


But it wasn’t a MAJOR accident: no lives were lost: no-one was even injured. So of course it wouldn’t have had a traumatic effect on you. It sounds like you may have been on autopilot when driving, hence why you didn’t notice things the police asked you. You may have been listening to the radio, or thinking about something...lots of minor RTA’s occur unexpectedly...

You can’t compare a prang in a car with having all your family shot dead!
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: What Time Roughly Was The Bedroom Telephone Put In The Kitchen?
« Reply #473 on: June 17, 2020, 06:24:15 PM »
As not all psychopaths kill and all murderers aren't psychopaths, nothing has been proved.
Don’t you think it would be a bit strange that in a crime where only two people could have done it, it would be the psychopath who was innocent?
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Offline APRIL

Re: What Time Roughly Was The Bedroom Telephone Put In The Kitchen?
« Reply #474 on: June 17, 2020, 06:45:55 PM »
Don’t you think it would be a bit strange that in a crime where only two people could have done it, it would be the psychopath who was innocent?



VS, I wonder if the response might be along the lines of there being no evidence of Jeremy's psychopathy? *%87

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: What Time Roughly Was The Bedroom Telephone Put In The Kitchen?
« Reply #475 on: June 17, 2020, 07:03:19 PM »


VS, I wonder if the response might be along the lines of there being no evidence of Jeremy's psychopathy? *%87
True, but my question was i. response to G-Unit’s claim that even if it were proven that Jb was a psychopath it wouldn’t change her opinion about the likelihood of him committing the crime.
Not a handwriting expert.

Offline APRIL

Re: What Time Roughly Was The Bedroom Telephone Put In The Kitchen?
« Reply #476 on: June 17, 2020, 07:48:07 PM »
True, but my question was i. response to G-Unit’s claim that even if it were proven that Jb was a psychopath it wouldn’t change her opinion about the likelihood of him committing the crime.

No, and we're wandering off topic now.


VS, I think you'll find that what you got in response to your question, was a short, sharp negative, prior to a convenient segway as a preventative to further discussion.

Offline Caroline

Re: What Time Roughly Was The Bedroom Telephone Put In The Kitchen?
« Reply #477 on: June 17, 2020, 08:07:31 PM »
As not all psychopaths kill and all murderers aren't psychopaths, nothing has been proved.

Certainly not to those who continually make excuses. He was categorised as such pre- trial.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: What Time Roughly Was The Bedroom Telephone Put In The Kitchen?
« Reply #478 on: June 17, 2020, 08:47:52 PM »
Don’t you think it would be a bit strange that in a crime where only two people could have done it, it would be the psychopath who was innocent?

Not when the other potential perp had been diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia and was brought up by an adoptive  mother who had been diagnosed with psychosis and severe depression.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: What Time Roughly Was The Bedroom Telephone Put In The Kitchen?
« Reply #479 on: June 17, 2020, 08:50:51 PM »
Certainly not to those who continually make excuses. He was categorised as such pre- trial.

Please identify the psychiatrist.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?