New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.

[pathfinder73]

It depends on the reason!

[VIXTE]

I did not know CB was questioned in 2013 by German police re Madeleine's case.
Maybe what he told them does not match the evidence they have.

[sadie]

The cleaner who was there on 2 May is the witness to answer that question. I doubt cleaners leave window unlocked with small children inside. You would think the parents would have checked them unless they want anybody to enter as seems to be the myth in this case.

"But it did surprise me a bit with Kate, because I think, you know, she is, between her and Gerry, they are very different, she is very cautious, Gerry, erm, you know, is probably more sort of happy to, tut, relax and go with the flow and that sort of thing, Kate is very, very much more cautious."
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FIONA-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

I think this has been answered before, on this forum.   From my memory, it was said that Kate and Gerry, being inexperienced in such shutters, always thought that the shutters were the way of securing the window from burglars.

They thought that when down, they were locked unless operated from inside.

IIRC, they said that they never opened the shutters all week prior to Madeleine vanishing.   During the day. enough light came in via the little slit holes in the shutters.

[pathfinder73]

The shutter is not the security, it is the window being locked to stop somebody getting in! They left the window unlocked and also the cleaner?  Nobody checked with small children inside? That is the room you are going to check more closely with children there!

[sadie]

The cleaner who was there on 2 May is the witness to answer that question. I doubt cleaners leave window unlocked with small children inside. You would think the parents would have checked them unless they want anybody to enter as seems to be the myth in this case.

"But it did surprise me a bit with Kate, because I think, you know, she is, between her and Gerry, they are very different, she is very cautious, Gerry, erm, you know, is probably more sort of happy to, tut, relax and go with the flow and that sort of thing, Kate is very, very much more cautious."
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FIONA-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

Pfinder, I am fortunate enough to have been very well travelled for much of my life.  I have stayed in hundreds of hotels from no stars right up to Grand Hotels, but mainly at 4* hotels.

I can honestly say that I have never seen the daily room cleaners, clean the windows except on change over day.

[pathfinder73]

More than 600 samples from Madeleine McCann apartment 'could be retested'

The former head of Portugal’s National Forensic Medicine Institute has said the evidence collected from the McCanns’ holiday apartment could still prove valuable in unlocking the 13-year mystery.

More than 600 samples including hair and saliva are understood to have been collected from the Praia da Luz apartment Madeleine McCann vanished from on May 3 2007 as her parents ate tapas nearby.

A Portuguese prosecution source yesterday ruled out reports a DNA profile, later confirmed as saliva, taken from the child’s bedspread could provide the vital link between the missing youngster and German suspect Christian Brueckner.

The source told Portuguese daily Correio da Manha it belonged to someone linked to Madeleine’s family and it had been known for a “long time” it was not Brueckner’s.

But Duarte Nuno Vieira, President of Portugal’s National Forensic Medicine Institute when the youngster vanished, said all the samples taken were kept under lock and key at a lab in the northern city of Coimbra and could be used for re-testing with today’s modern technology whenever needed.

He told Portuguese broadcaster CMTV: “The samples are still being kept in optimum conditions and despite the fact 13 years have gone by, it’s still possible today to repeat tests.”

In a separate interview with TVI, he added: “Things don’t happen as fast as they do on TV series like CSI and can take days, weeks or even months to complete.

“But in terms of quality, Portugal does some of the highest quality forensic work of any country and in the Maddie case the forensic work done was quick and competent.

“The fact 13 years has gone by doesn’t mean the hundreds of samples collected can’t be revisited again.

“There was hair, blood and saliva samples among the enormous amount of material that was collected and analysed.

“The results of everything that was tested in 2007 are available and if there was a new DNA profile with someone whose DNA had to be compared with one or more of those samples, that could be done.

“The identification of people responsible for crimes can sometimes take decades.

“The preservation of DNA depends on the interaction of a series of very complex conditions but once samples are taken and a DNA profile can be obtained from them and they are stored in ideal conditions, they can be preserved for decades.”

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/world-news/more-600-samples-madeleine-mccann-22192800

[sadie]

The shutter is not the security, it is the window being locked to stop somebody getting in! They left the window unlocked and also the cleaner?  Nobody checked with small children inside? That is the room you are going to check more closely with children there!

We all know that NOW, but at the time, The Mccanns thought that the shutters were the main security for the room.   Tbh, with such beliefs, it probably wouldn't matter to them whether the window was locked or not.   

My bet is that a lot of Brit holiday makers with the same innocence of the way the shutters were not burglar proof, would leave the windows fully slid open on hot days, in order to keep the non air conditioned rooms cool.   After all their thinking would be that the shutter was complete security and a burglar would not know the window was open anyway.

Think about it Pfinder.

[pathfinder73]

I have and none of it adds up so you think about it. Very cautious people like Kate does not check if their children's window is locked. That does not add up! Do you believe common sense just disappears? Most try them out to check like Gerry did when he broke the shutters!

[Myster]

Latest News: The German prosecutor's office have informed Kate and Gerry McCann of their conclusions by letter...

https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-prosecutors-letter-to-parents-says-there-is-concrete-evidence-she-is-dead-12007630

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=araPHguucl8

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8424065/Madeleine-McCanns-parents-told-letter-written-German-prosecutors-dead.html

[Carana]

More than 600 samples from Madeleine McCann apartment 'could be retested'

The former head of Portugal’s National Forensic Medicine Institute has said the evidence collected from the McCanns’ holiday apartment could still prove valuable in unlocking the 13-year mystery.

More than 600 samples including hair and saliva are understood to have been collected from the Praia da Luz apartment Madeleine McCann vanished from on May 3 2007 as her parents ate tapas nearby.

A Portuguese prosecution source yesterday ruled out reports a DNA profile, later confirmed as saliva, taken from the child’s bedspread could provide the vital link between the missing youngster and German suspect Christian Brueckner.

The source told Portuguese daily Correio da Manha it belonged to someone linked to Madeleine’s family and it had been known for a “long time” it was not Brueckner’s.

But Duarte Nuno Vieira, President of Portugal’s National Forensic Medicine Institute when the youngster vanished, said all the samples taken were kept under lock and key at a lab in the northern city of Coimbra and could be used for re-testing with today’s modern technology whenever needed.

He told Portuguese broadcaster CMTV: “The samples are still being kept in optimum conditions and despite the fact 13 years have gone by, it’s still possible today to repeat tests.”

In a separate interview with TVI, he added: “Things don’t happen as fast as they do on TV series like CSI and can take days, weeks or even months to complete.

“But in terms of quality, Portugal does some of the highest quality forensic work of any country and in the Maddie case the forensic work done was quick and competent.

“The fact 13 years has gone by doesn’t mean the hundreds of samples collected can’t be revisited again.

“There was hair, blood and saliva samples among the enormous amount of material that was collected and analysed.

“The results of everything that was tested in 2007 are available and if there was a new DNA profile with someone whose DNA had to be compared with one or more of those samples, that could be done.

“The identification of people responsible for crimes can sometimes take decades.

“The preservation of DNA depends on the interaction of a series of very complex conditions but once samples are taken and a DNA profile can be obtained from them and they are stored in ideal conditions, they can be preserved for decades.”

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/world-news/more-600-samples-madeleine-mccann-22192800

I'm afraid the Irish Mirror has got things a bit mixed up. The source of the saliva stain was identified early on, it was not found on her bedspread and wasn't at all linked to anyone in the family - it belonged to the baby son of previous holidaymakers (so obviously not Christian B).

And there was no blood found in the flat.

I have no problem with the INML's capabilities, but they can only test (or retest) what they were given. Now if they could just lay their hands on those missing strands of hair...

[Carana]

The media circus is in full flow in case you hadn't noticed. Who suggested an envoy should be sent to demand answers from the German police? That was a very silly suggestion imo.

The Sun?

[Carana]

Never had in reality ..she says..Because robbers do not snatch children. Does she not know his criminal record.
sceptics have been saying tis for years but we now have a burglar with a history of paedophilia

I've found several cases of robbers abducting a child over the years.

Here's one for starters: the poor lttle girl who was abducted from her bath tub while her mum was in another room.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/oct/20/ukcrime

[Vertigo Swirl]

I have and none of it adds up so you think about it. Very cautious people like Kate does not check if their children's window is locked. That does not add up! Do you believe common sense just disappears? Most try them out to check like Gerry did when he broke the shutters!

You are making assumptions and grasping at straws. These “very cautious” people left the apartment unlocked with their kids inside so it really doesn’t matter if the window was locked or not.  A burglar could easily have entered and opened the window from the inside anyway.

[Carana]

From today’s Times

“German investigators believe that Christian Brückner killed Madeleine shortly after abducting her from a holiday apartment in the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz in May 2007.

Yesterday they said that they were looking for links to an incident involving a ten-year-old British girl in the same resort in 2005, the year Brückner raped a woman at a villa near by.

Police know of nine sexual assaults and three attempts against British girls between the ages of six and 12 on holiday in the area between 2004 and 2006”.

These are the sexual assaults that members of this forum believed were invented by “Team McCann” if I recall correctly.  Why are the German police investigating fictional assaults then, can anyone explain?

I'm getting lost in how many assaults (or near misses) on British girls there were. An article a few pages back mentioned 18 incidents. Checking back, I seem to have missed some.

Simon Israel
23 Apr 2014
Madeleine McCann: ‘very significant’ case emerges


Six more cases have emerged on the Algarve that detectives believe maybe linked to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

General view shows the apartment hotel bAbove: the apartment building from which Madeleine McCann disappeared in 2007.

One, they say, concerns the sexual assault of a 10-year-old British white girl in the “heart of Praia da Luz” two years before Madeleine vanished from an apartment in the same resort in 2007.

It was not reported to police in Portugal or the UK at the time, but Scotland Yard believe the case is “very significant”.

The new cases of sexual assault, on young British girls at night in their holiday accommodation, all took place in the years preceding Madeleine’s disappearance.

There is also what the police describe as a near miss, where the would be attacker was disturbed on entering a bedroom.

The Madeleine investigation is now linking a total of 18 incidents on the Algarve where young British girls between six and 12-years-old have been targeted, where there’s been no forced entry, and where little has been stolen."

https://www.channel4.com/news/by/simon-israel/blogs/madeleine-mccann-very-significant-case-emerges

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

You are making assumptions and grasping at straws. These “very cautious” people left the apartment unlocked with their kids inside so it really doesn’t matter if the window was locked or not.  A burglar could easily have entered and opened the window from the inside anyway.

Why would anyone enter via unlocked door then unlock a window from the inside and leave through a window without leaving any evidence of having done so?