Author Topic: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.  (Read 2813824 times)

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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #4890 on: July 05, 2020, 07:19:52 PM »
It's quite juvenile and not backed up by any supporting evidence. The lack of supporting evidence might make you fall foul of libel laws since how can it be a genuinely held belief rather than just an insult?
Why is it juvenile?  What if I was addressing that comment to DP?  Would it an innocent opinion, or libel?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Mr Gray

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #4891 on: July 05, 2020, 07:20:50 PM »
Kizzy has offered sound rational explanations for her belief. As you have with regards to your opinion that you're almost certain that CB is guilty. I don't think the expression of either opinion is libellous in these particular examples.

Kizzys sound rational explanation yesterday was...
Because they were there
Because I dont beleive a word they say


neither sound nor rational and hence libellous

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #4892 on: July 05, 2020, 07:20:58 PM »
Not if you understand libel law...you cant libel the dead

Thanks.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #4893 on: July 05, 2020, 07:21:15 PM »
Kizzy has offered sound rational explanations for her belief. As you have with regards to your opinion that you're almost certain that CB is guilty. I don't think the expression of either opinion is libellous in these particular examples.
Cite please.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #4894 on: July 05, 2020, 07:23:49 PM »
Why is it juvenile?  What if I was addressing that comment to DP?  Would it an innocent opinion, or libel?

I've not studied libel law... I am an expert on private parking fines though if you ever need help!!! As far as I understand it what matters is your supporting evidence and whether it could therefore be deemed to be a reasonable opinion. DaveL will be able to answer your question though.

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #4895 on: July 05, 2020, 07:25:09 PM »
Why is it juvenile?

It sounds like a childish insult. Playground stuff.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #4896 on: July 05, 2020, 07:25:17 PM »
I've not studied libel law... I am an expert on private parking fines though if you ever need help!!! As far as I understand it what matters is your supporting evidence and whether it could therefore be deemed to be a reasonable opinion. DaveL will be able to answer your question though.
So you don’t know what you’re talking about but are still keen to defend Kizzy come what may.  Tsk.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #4897 on: July 05, 2020, 07:26:46 PM »
It sounds like a childish insult. Playground stuff.
What a strange comment.  So if I’d had the chance to confront Savile and said those words to him I would be considered juvenile by you would I?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #4898 on: July 05, 2020, 07:26:57 PM »
Cite please.


UK Justice Forum »
Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults »
Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #4899 on: July 05, 2020, 07:27:30 PM »

UK Justice Forum »
Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults »
Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found.
That is not a cite.  Cite please.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #4900 on: July 05, 2020, 07:28:10 PM »
What a strange comment.  So if I’d had the chance to confront Savile and said those words to him I would be considered juvenile by you would I?

Which bit of supporting evidence did you miss?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #4901 on: July 05, 2020, 07:28:22 PM »
I've not studied libel law... I am an expert on private parking fines though if you ever need help!!! As far as I understand it what matters is your supporting evidence and whether it could therefore be deemed to be a reasonable opinion. DaveL will be able to answer your question though.

I have  a private car park that some locals park on. Im thinking of putting up  signs explaining charges are made to anyone parking there....what do you think...Parking charges can be enforced but not fines
« Last Edit: July 05, 2020, 07:35:26 PM by Davel »

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #4902 on: July 05, 2020, 07:30:52 PM »
Which bit of supporting evidence did you miss?
What are you on about?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #4903 on: July 05, 2020, 07:36:00 PM »
Let’s try this.  In my opinion Martin Grime cued the dogs to alert to the McCanns car.  There is evidence to suggest this is so.  It’s my opinion.  Is it libellous or perfectly reasonable?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #4904 on: July 05, 2020, 07:44:55 PM »
Kizzys sound rational explanation yesterday was...
Because they were there
Because I dont beleive a word they say


neither sound nor rational and hence libellous

I googled libel defence and opinion....

"Honest opinion It can be used as a defence to defamation claims if the defendant can show that: that the statement in question was an opinion; that within the statement there was an apparent basis to the opinion; and. the statement is one that an honest person could have held."

I don't believe either you or Kizzy have been libellous in expressing an opinion that there was no abduction & that K&G know what happened to MM or expressing an opinion that CB was the abductor.