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Offline Heriberto Janosch

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #13410 on: June 05, 2021, 10:38:01 AM »
Are you aware how many people are found guilty of murder without forensic evidence...

And how many of those people are innocent?

I want to know the truth of the MM case, the scientific truth. 

Offline Heriberto Janosch

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #13411 on: June 05, 2021, 10:39:46 AM »
I know that the investigation into the Wonderland Club found 750,000 images and videos depicting 1,263 different children. Only 16 children were identified, one of whom was Rui Pedro Teixeira Mendonça. I cannot, however find anything which says he was identified from a video.

And talking about MM case, are you sure there are photographs or videos showing her after the crime?

Offline jassi

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #13412 on: June 05, 2021, 10:43:35 AM »
And talking about MM case, are you sure there are photographs or videos showing her after the crime?

I don't think that there's any mention of that being the case, though the gulible may interpreted as such.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Heriberto Janosch

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #13413 on: June 05, 2021, 10:50:45 AM »
I don't think that there's any mention of that being the case, though the gulible may interpreted as such.

I must be wrong, but I think HCW is merging his beliefs with the alleged evidence. He publicly talked and now it is very difficult for him to admit it. But I could be wrong.

Offline Heriberto Janosch

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #13414 on: June 05, 2021, 10:52:53 AM »
Please Davel, give me the links of the videos of HCW talking about the evidence. I did not see all of them.

Offline G-Unit

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #13415 on: June 05, 2021, 11:02:54 AM »
And talking about MM case, are you sure there are photographs or videos showing her after the crime?

I have seen no evidence which suggests there are any.
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Offline Anthro

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #13416 on: June 05, 2021, 11:15:28 AM »
Please Davel, give me the links of the videos of HCW talking about the evidence. I did not see all of them.
Here is the translation of the most recent interview:

"Lower Saxony crime scene": The Maddie case
Bettina Thoenes
Updated: 06/01/2021, 3:16 PM

The Braunschweig public prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters (right) reports in a podcast with Henning Noske and Bettina Thoenes about the investigative work of his authority in the Maddie case.
Photo: Erik Beyen

BRAUNSCHWEIG.   In the podcast, the Braunschweig public prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters speaks with Henning Noske and Bettina Thoenes about the investigation into the Maddie case.

“I have to say that I am sometimes surprised by what I am supposed to have said.” For a year now, Hans Christian Wolters has been one of the most internationally cited and interviewed public prosecutors in Germany. Whether Russian, American, Australian or British media, he receives daily inquiries about the current status of the investigation in the case of three-year-old Maddie McCann, who disappeared from a hotel room in the Portuguese holiday resort of Praia da Luz in 2007.
In June 2020, the Braunschweig public prosecutor's office and the Federal Criminal Police Office came to the public with their suspicion on the ZDF wanted program “Aktenzeichen XY ungelöst” that a 44-year-old German who was last domiciled in Braunschweig kidnapped the British child from his bed and murdered him in the evening could have. Since then, the world has looked to Braunschweig in the Maddie case. When it comes to official information on the progress of the investigation, there is only one source for the media representatives: Hans Christian Wolters, the spokesman for the Braunschweig public prosecutor.

Maddie case: More than a thousand clues after calling a witness

In the current crime podcast “Tatort Niedersachsen” in our newspaper, Wolters reports why he is sometimes annoyed by the media, why going public was still important for the investigators and what he can and cannot reveal publicly. And he admits: "Personally, I underestimated how long the media coverage lasts."
According to Wolters, more than a thousand reports have been received since the witnesses were called. “In the first few days we were literally overrun with tips from all over the world.” Working through them seriously continues. The public prosecutor's office is still not giving any further details. But one has to say, according to Wolters in the podcast, that the long time in which the authorities remain silent and have not made a decision speaks in favor of “that our appeal was successful”.

Prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters: Have evidence and evidence that Maddie is actually dead

At the moment, however, it is not foreseeable "that we will come to a conclusion of the investigation, and I cannot give a time window in which one can expect fundamental news from us".
For the public prosecutor's office and the Federal Criminal Police Office, the time had come last June when, based on the knowledge gathered for years, they could have voiced their suspicion that a German had brought Maddie into his power and killed. "We have knowledge and evidence that does not allow any other conclusion than that Maddie is actually dead," the prosecutor repeated. This evidence has not yet been disclosed. The suspect's attorney has not yet seen the files either.

Who was the Maddie suspect on the phone with?

In the wanted broadcast, the investigators had only mentioned a cell phone number that could be assigned to the suspect and that had been located in the cell phone to which the hotel complex from which Maddie disappeared belongs. Who was the suspect on the phone with? That is still unclear.
This indication is a piece of the puzzle. “But you have to imagine that we have other pieces of the puzzle that round off the picture for us,” Wolters said in the podcast.

Offline Myster

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #13417 on: June 05, 2021, 11:25:29 AM »
Please Davel, give me the links of the videos of HCW talking about the evidence. I did not see all of them.
https://youtu.be/Pvqu9Wd388c?t=2192
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.


Offline G-Unit

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #13419 on: June 05, 2021, 11:34:21 AM »
I must be wrong, but I think HCW is merging his beliefs with the alleged evidence. He publicly talked and now it is very difficult for him to admit it. But I could be wrong.

I may be wrong too, but I agree with you.

4th June 2020

Hans Christian Wolters, from the Braunschweig Public Prosecutor's Office in Germany, said in an update on Thursday: "We are assuming that the girl is dead.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52916137#:~:text=Madeleine%20McCann%20is%20%22assumed%22%20to,the%20British%20girl%20in%202007.&text=Hans%20Christian%20Wolters%2C%20from%20the,that%20the%20girl%20is%20dead.

Wolter's announcement triggered an adverse reaction, particularly in the UK, which seemed to surprise him;

15th June 2020

'I am surprised the fact we say or I say Madeleine is dead is so important for the British people.'

The prosecutor added in Germany it is 'normal' to assume a murder has taken place in similar cases.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8424065/Madeleine-McCanns-parents-told-letter-written-German-prosecutors-dead.html

It is now that he claims to have evidence;

'There is no forensic evidence. But there is concrete evidence that Maddie is dead. Our investigation has no doubts about this.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8424065/Madeleine-McCanns-parents-told-letter-written-German-prosecutors-dead.html

The question in my opinion is whether the evidence led him to assume Madeleine was dead or whether the fuss about his assumption led him to claim there was concrete evidence that she was. Either way he can't, as yet, prove that he's right that she's dead and CB killed her. 
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #13420 on: June 05, 2021, 11:43:35 AM »
I may be wrong too, but I agree with you.

4th June 2020

Hans Christian Wolters, from the Braunschweig Public Prosecutor's Office in Germany, said in an update on Thursday: "We are assuming that the girl is dead.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52916137#:~:text=Madeleine%20McCann%20is%20%22assumed%22%20to,the%20British%20girl%20in%202007.&text=Hans%20Christian%20Wolters%2C%20from%20the,that%20the%20girl%20is%20dead.

Wolter's announcement triggered an adverse reaction, particularly in the UK, which seemed to surprise him;

15th June 2020

'I am surprised the fact we say or I say Madeleine is dead is so important for the British people.'

The prosecutor added in Germany it is 'normal' to assume a murder has taken place in similar cases.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8424065/Madeleine-McCanns-parents-told-letter-written-German-prosecutors-dead.html

It is now that he claims to have evidence;

'There is no forensic evidence. But there is concrete evidence that Maddie is dead. Our investigation has no doubts about this.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8424065/Madeleine-McCanns-parents-told-letter-written-German-prosecutors-dead.html

The question in my opinion is whether the evidence led him to assume Madeleine was dead or whether the fuss about his assumption led him to claim there was concrete evidence that she was. Either way he can't, as yet, prove that he's right that she's dead and CB killed her.
Its obvious Heri hasnt listened to all HCW has said and perhaps you haven't either. He was pusheed as to whether he haf proof Maffie was dead and he admittefd no. He then went on to say from the evudence they have they assume death.. Thete is no proof Rui Pefro is dead but from the contents of the video found the police said it could be assumed he died... Im afraid from everything said this is what I believe Wolters may have

Offline Anthro

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #13421 on: June 05, 2021, 11:45:08 AM »
Mr Wolters’ most recent interview.

Translation credit: Ulrike U:

X: SY still assumes a missing person case, the Braunschweig public prosecutor's office and the BKA assume a murder. How do you work together? Does SY have any other findings? Is there different evidence?

W: That is probably because SY has been investigating the case since 2007 and at that time it was assumed that the girl could still be alive, that she could only be missing.
In Germany, we have only been investigating since 2017, and at the time when the whole investigation began here, we already had such solid evidence that the girl was dead that it didn't make sense to let it go on under a cloak of secrecy, but it was absolutely clear that it had to be classified as a homicide.
In addition, in Germany we as public prosecutors only take action if there has been a crime. And if someone is missing, that is regrettable but it doesn't have to be a crime, everyone has the right to keep their whereabouts secret from others, but thank God there is not always a crime behind it. That's one point why we have to say a missing person case couldn't have happened like that at the Braunschweig public prosecutor's office. The police, yes. They also investigate missing persons cases, which is different with the public prosecutor's office.
That is the reason why we are conducting criminal proceedings.

The second part, translated by Ulrike U:

Part 2 of the recent interview with Wolters.. investigation and parents

W: I can only say that I myself am partly surprised by what I am supposed to have said and what I read and what others are supposed to know about our investigations. In fact, I have unfortunately had to hold back for a year. We have deliberately only given out certain information and nothing much new could be added to this information.
I am also very unpleasantly surprised when I read that we will be making an indictment in 3 months, for example, as was recently reported in the British media. Then I am quoted as saying things that I have never said before in my life. This annoys me and I then have my hands full to put it right and have to explain that I never said that and that it does not correspond to the facts.
I'm getting to the current state of affairs, at the moment it is not foreseeable when and whether we will come to a conclusion of the investigation, I cannot give a time frame.

X: That is, did you or did you not achieve the goal of going public last year?

W: It has to be said that this long period of time where we did not talk about the case and did not make a decision on how this case could possibly end, speaks for the fact that the appeal was successful. In the first few days we were overrun with tips from all countries, mainly Germany, Great Britain and Portugal, and now we simply need the time to process these many tips seriously.

X: That means in a certain way, if I may ask, did you use the media to achieve success?

W: Exactly, in this case we used the media quite consciously as a medium to get more attention and to be noticed. For us as a small German public prosecutor's office, it is very difficult to reach British tourists who would otherwise not notice us. We depend on our messages being conveyed and who better than the media to do that?

X: to reflect on this, how many interviews have you actually given?

W: actually I can't count the interviews any more, in addition to the interviews there are hundreds of emails and phone calls that I've been dealing with for a year, you can't really imagine it, of course we knew there would be a big response, but I personally underestimated how long this media echo would last.

X: Maybe we can look back at the situation a year ago. What was known at that time, what was the reason why you went public at that time?

W: Last year was the time when we had to go public with the suspicion against a German because we could say with a high degree of certainty that in 2007 he had taken the almost four-year-old British MM in a hotel complex in PDL into his power and also murdered her. I can't say anything at the moment about how the whole thing went down in detail. I couldn't at the time either because the investigations are still in a hot phase that takes a long time.
That may be different in other cases, but the scope of this case is beyond anything we have had in other cases, at least here in the region.
Of course, this is also due to the great interest and the fact that several countries are involved.
This is different from a procedure that only takes place in Braunschweig.

(Now comes something about CB, I'll leave that out, we know who he is).

X: he was registered in Braunschweig, so the case came to the Braunschweig public prosecutor's office.

W: Exactly, he lived here, that's how we came to these proceedings like the virgin to the child.
We certainly never imagined when we heard about the MM case in 2007 that this case would at some point have a connection to Braunschweig. In German criminal procedure law, jurisdiction is based on the last place of residence.

X: Especially in England, where the case has caused quite a stir, how can you be so sure that MM is dead and what do you tell the parents?

W: We have evidence that allows us to draw only one conclusion, that the girl is indeed dead I am not allowed to publish the evidence at the moment, that will happen at an appropriate time.
His number was in the radio cell where the crime took place, but that is only one piece of the puzzle.

X: was that also investigative tactics like before or is that more?

W: Of course, the fact that we gave the number is a tactic because we also wanted the public to help us. We had to do this because we are still looking for the user of the other number.

X: Have you also been in contact with MM parents? They went public very aggressively shortly after her disappearance and the media say that they still hope to find their daughter alive.

W: There is no direct contact between the public prosecutor's office and the parents, nor was there at any time. There was only a connection via the German police and the British police individual contacts, but last year in connection with our press conference.
We deliberately wanted to prepare the parents for the fact that we would issue a statement in the case of their missing daughter.
We didn't want the parents to be run over by the fact that there might be media on their doorstep and they might not have heard about it yet. We wanted to prepare the parents for the fact that there is news in the case of their daughter, but we didn't say anything in terms of content. This was reported several times by the British media which was wrong, it was just to spare the parents which the British media did not do.
There was another report that it was not a question of publishing new reports every day, but rather to let calm return without communicating every step in public. It was also about giving the parents peace of mind and not being constantly confronted with the case.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #13422 on: June 05, 2021, 11:47:24 AM »
I know that the investigation into the Wonderland Club found 750,000 images and videos depicting 1,263 different children. Only 16 children were identified, one of whom was Rui Pedro Teixeira Mendonça. I cannot, however find anything which says he was identified from a video.

So he was identified from s photograph rather than a video.. What difference does thst make

Offline Heriberto Janosch

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #13423 on: June 05, 2021, 11:47:44 AM »
Here is the translation of the most recent interview:

"Lower Saxony crime scene": The Maddie case
Bettina Thoenes
Updated: 06/01/2021, 3:16 PM

The Braunschweig public prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters (right) reports in a podcast with Henning Noske and Bettina Thoenes about the investigative work of his authority in the Maddie case.
Photo: Erik Beyen

BRAUNSCHWEIG.   In the podcast, the Braunschweig public prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters speaks with Henning Noske and Bettina Thoenes about the investigation into the Maddie case.

“I have to say that I am sometimes surprised by what I am supposed to have said.” For a year now, Hans Christian Wolters has been one of the most internationally cited and interviewed public prosecutors in Germany. Whether Russian, American, Australian or British media, he receives daily inquiries about the current status of the investigation in the case of three-year-old Maddie McCann, who disappeared from a hotel room in the Portuguese holiday resort of Praia da Luz in 2007.
In June 2020, the Braunschweig public prosecutor's office and the Federal Criminal Police Office came to the public with their suspicion on the ZDF wanted program “Aktenzeichen XY ungelöst” that a 44-year-old German who was last domiciled in Braunschweig kidnapped the British child from his bed and murdered him in the evening could have. Since then, the world has looked to Braunschweig in the Maddie case. When it comes to official information on the progress of the investigation, there is only one source for the media representatives: Hans Christian Wolters, the spokesman for the Braunschweig public prosecutor.

Maddie case: More than a thousand clues after calling a witness

In the current crime podcast “Tatort Niedersachsen” in our newspaper, Wolters reports why he is sometimes annoyed by the media, why going public was still important for the investigators and what he can and cannot reveal publicly. And he admits: "Personally, I underestimated how long the media coverage lasts."
According to Wolters, more than a thousand reports have been received since the witnesses were called. “In the first few days we were literally overrun with tips from all over the world.” Working through them seriously continues. The public prosecutor's office is still not giving any further details. But one has to say, according to Wolters in the podcast, that the long time in which the authorities remain silent and have not made a decision speaks in favor of “that our appeal was successful”.

Prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters: Have evidence and evidence that Maddie is actually dead

At the moment, however, it is not foreseeable "that we will come to a conclusion of the investigation, and I cannot give a time window in which one can expect fundamental news from us".
For the public prosecutor's office and the Federal Criminal Police Office, the time had come last June when, based on the knowledge gathered for years, they could have voiced their suspicion that a German had brought Maddie into his power and killed. "We have knowledge and evidence that does not allow any other conclusion than that Maddie is actually dead," the prosecutor repeated. This evidence has not yet been disclosed. The suspect's attorney has not yet seen the files either.

Who was the Maddie suspect on the phone with?

In the wanted broadcast, the investigators had only mentioned a cell phone number that could be assigned to the suspect and that had been located in the cell phone to which the hotel complex from which Maddie disappeared belongs. Who was the suspect on the phone with? That is still unclear.
This indication is a piece of the puzzle. “But you have to imagine that we have other pieces of the puzzle that round off the picture for us,” Wolters said in the podcast.

1. ... based on the knowledge gathered for years, they could have voiced their suspicion that a German had brought Maddie into his power and killed.

2. "We have knowledge and evidence that does not allow any other conclusion than that Maddie is actually dead," the prosecutor repeated.

3. ... a cell phone number that could be assigned to the suspect and that had been located in the cell phone to which the hotel complex from which Maddie disappeared belongs.

1. It is only a suspicion.

2. No direct evidence, but discarding all the other altenatives. I also believed MM is dead, but sure 99%, not 100%.

3. Could be assigned ... No comment.

Conclusion: CB could have killed MM ... or not.



Offline G-Unit

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #13424 on: June 05, 2021, 11:55:46 AM »
Its obvious Heri hasnt listened to all HCW has said and perhaps you haven't either. He was pusheed as to whether he haf proof Maffie was dead and he admittefd no. He then went on to say from the evudence they have they assume death.. Thete is no proof Rui Pefro is dead but from the contents of the video found the police said it could be assumed he died... Im afraid from everything said this is what I believe Wolters may have

Wolters also said "in Germany it is 'normal' to assume a murder has taken place in similar cases". Until he reveals his evidence it's acceptable, imo, to consider that he is assuming.

I have already pointed out that I can find no evidence of a video being found of Rui Pedro Teixeira Mendonça. If you have such evidence please produce it.

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