New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.

[G-Unit]

I think you need to do more research and would suggest you start with googling the balance of article 10 against article 6

The Greek police have declared the husband guilty of murder.. Do you think he can avoid prosecution on human rights ground.
Suspects are named and guilt inferred regularly... Suspects are held on remand..

You really do need to do moore research

Says someone who offers no evidence whatsoever to underpin his post. 

[Mr Gray]

Says someone who offers no evidence whatsoever to underpin his post. 

For someone who thinks CMMOM is a good source of information thats quite comical. One of the latest posts there is about the dogs who have never been wrong in 200 cases.. Covid is also a complete scam it seems. Anyone who classes those sort of things as good information neefs a reality check

[Carana]

I agree, he was indeed very balanced. I wonder who 'the friend' was who managed to get hold of Christian B's letter despite the problems he allegedly faced in getting it out of prison.

I think even the Germans have more sense than to suggest a miscarriage of justice in Portugal.

I've been virtually bashed over the head so many times for even suggesting that perhaps the Cipriano case was potentially a miscarriage of justice. TBF, in a sense it wasn't, as I have doubts as to the legal advice potentially given and accepted.... and which ended the case, despite the fact that, IMO, there was nothing of substance to the case.

Taken from elsewhere re the Cipriano case:

Supreme Court of Justice - 'Joana case' ruling - Part I
"xxII. FUNDAMENTATION

9. Matter of fact according to the appealed court

9. 1. Facts considered to be proved:

(...)

aa) minor CC returned home from “Pastelaria…”, where she had bought the aforementioned food products;

But the legal reasoning was based on this:

Witness AA3, at around 8.30/8.40 p.m., saw CC [Joana Cipriano] walking up the stairs near the market, into the direction of her home, with a bag, a sign that she was returning from shopping (and we know that she did the shopping, from the deposition of witness NN). This witness, who was smoking at the window, stayed at the window for some time and verified that there was no movement on location, nor did she see any cars, or heard any screams. This means that, according to the rules of experience, and given the fact that the route is short, what is normal is that the minor returned home. And there is no doubt that CC arrived at home and that it was then that the arguidos hit her. Such is clear from the reconstitution file that has been appended to the process at pages 273 and following, namely from the photographs on pages 282, 284, 285, 286 , 287, 291 and 292, with the contents of said reconstitution file being confirmed by inspectors CC3 and CC4, who were present during the event and described the actions that were practised by arguido AA [João Cipriano] during said reconstitution.


Supreme Court of Justice - ruling SJ200604200003635, 20.04.2006 | translated by astro 

https://themaddiecasefiles.com/supreme-court-of-justice-joana-case-ruling-t24336.html

[Carana]

Sorry if Mods think that my previous post should have been posted elsewhere, but the point I'm trying to make is how flimsy "proven facts" can be.

[Carana]

I agree, he was indeed very balanced. I wonder who 'the friend' was who managed to get hold of Christian B's letter despite the problems he allegedly faced in getting it out of prison.

I think even the Germans have more sense than to suggest a miscarriage of justice in Portugal.

Diplomatically, I doubt that that would be on the cards. I'm not sure that Joana's disappearance could even become an official object of investigation in Germany. ;(

[jassi]

Diplomatically, I doubt that that would be on the cards. I'm not sure that Joana's disappearance could even become an official object of investigation in Germany. ;(

Or anywhere else for that matter.
The only people who seem to be making it an issue are some  McCann supporters.

IMO

[Vertigo Swirl]

Or anywhere else for that matter.
The only people who seem to be making it an issue are some  McCann supporters.

IMO

Which is odd when the Cipriano convictions are very clearly as shonky as they come - you would have to be blind, stupid or both to disagree IMO.

[Carana]

Or anywhere else for that matter.
The only people who seem to be making it an issue are some  McCann supporters.

IMO

Do you mean that the following can be taken as a "proven fact"?

"According to the rules of experience, and given the fact that the route is short, what is normal is that the minor returned home."

Facts:

- Both children disappeared without a trace.

- Amaral was in charge of both cases (albeit the Madeleine one for a few months).

- (potentially verifiable) Bruckner could well have been in the vicinity at the time of both. -

- He'd already been extradited twice (?) for serious crimes, but was never on an active radar for any.

Odd?

I repeat for the nth time, he could be innocent of one or more and just happened to be in the wrong place at the right time. However, I find it odd that he he doesn't appear to have been a red flag to formally eliminate.

[jassi]

Do you mean that the following can be taken as a "proven fact"?

"According to the rules of experience, and given the fact that the route is short, what is normal is that the minor returned home."

I have no opinion on this as it doesn't interest me.
I suspect that if the McCanns had misplaced their child in Albania, for example, no one on here would give a toss about injustice in Portugal.

[Carana]

I have no opinion on this as it doesn't interest me.
I suspect that if the McCanns had misplaced their child in Albania, for example, no one on here would give a toss about injustice in Portugal.

What makes you think that? IMO, the disappearances could have happened anywhere in the world and whichever country they had occurred in would have been the one in focus.

ETA: what doesn't interest you?

[jassi]

What makes you think that? IMO, the disappearances could have happened anywhere in the world and whichever country they had occurred in would have been the one in focus.

ETA: what doesn't interest you?

Not being Portuguese and never  going to go to Portugal, I have no interest in their judicial system.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Not being Portuguese and never  going to go to Portugal, I have no interest in their judicial system.

Me neither, I still think there's a possibility that the Cirprianos were stitched up and that it's highly coincidental that two young girls disappeared from the same underpopulated locale without trace within a couple of years of each other.  It's the mystery that's interesting, not the country that it happened in, or their rotten police / judiciary.

[Vertigo Swirl]

What makes you think that? IMO, the disappearances could have happened anywhere in the world and whichever country they had occurred in would have been the one in focus.

ETA: what doesn't interest you?

It seems to me that some people aren't interested in the Cipriano case very specifically because it stinks to high heaven and they'd much rather stick their fingers in their ears every time it's mentioned.

[Anthro]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mcann-police-told-suspect-24400965
More on Foral and another property.

[Brietta]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mcann-police-told-suspect-24400965
More on Foral and another property.

I don't think we will ever know exactly how many properties Brueckner had access to.  The list just seems to keep growing.