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Offline Brietta

Re: If Brueckner is Never Charged.
« Reply #975 on: July 22, 2020, 10:42:55 AM »
Following on from the Sky News report ... http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11656.msg611101#msg611101  it seems that the Portuguese are at long last reopening yet another case which, like Madeleine's, should never have been closed or 'archived' in the first instance.

All of this was bubbling away in the background including the assaults on children under their holiday roofs while the Judicial Police were loudly building their case on sand totally directed at Kate and Gerry McCann.



'Snip'
Two months later, a masked man climbed the balcony to her apartment and attacked her as she slept in the early hours.

He held a knife to her throat, tied her up and gagged her, then raped her repeatedly.

During the attack he threatened to kill her and left her bleeding before fleeing over the balcony.

Last month, when German drifter Christian B was named as the main suspect in the Madeleine case - and Ms Behan read about his conviction for raping an American woman in strikingly similar circumstances - she contacted the Scotland Yard Madeleine squad.

She told the Guardian newspaper: "My mind was blown when I read how he had attacked a woman in 2005, both the tactics and the methods he used, the tools he had with him, how well he had planned it out.

"I puked, to be honest with you, as reading about it took me right back to my experience."

Scotland Yard detectives interviewed Ms Behan and later told her they had contacted Portuguese police. It appears that has prompted the reopening of her case.

She has said she was badly treated by the Portuguese detectives, who abandoned their investigation after eight months without identifying a suspect.

Ms Behan described her attacker as white, slim, with blonde hair, blue eyes and possibly German.

According to the case files, detectives were unable to find anyone in their records who matched the description, but that was wrong.

In another Portuguese police file seen by Sky News, there are photographs of a young Christian B who does fit the description.

They were taken by police in 1999, five years before Ms Behan was raped, after he was arrested and deported to Germany for child sex crimes.

If police do find evidence against Christian B for Ms Behan's attack it is unlikely he would be charged as Portugal has a 15-year statute of limitations on rape investigations.

https://news.sky.com/story/police-in-portugal-reopen-rape-investigation-after-claim-against-madeleine-mccann-suspect-12033629
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: If Brueckner is Never Charged.
« Reply #976 on: July 22, 2020, 10:53:17 AM »
Bloody incompetents.  IMO. 
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Mr Gray

Re: If Brueckner is Never Charged.
« Reply #977 on: July 22, 2020, 10:54:05 AM »
Following on from the Sky News report ... http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11656.msg611101#msg611101  it seems that the Portuguese are at long last reopening yet another case which, like Madeleine's, should never have been closed or 'archived' in the first instance.

All of this was bubbling away in the background including the assaults on children under their holiday roofs while the Judicial Police were loudly building their case on sand totally directed at Kate and Gerry McCann.



'Snip'
Two months later, a masked man climbed the balcony to her apartment and attacked her as she slept in the early hours.

He held a knife to her throat, tied her up and gagged her, then raped her repeatedly.

During the attack he threatened to kill her and left her bleeding before fleeing over the balcony.

Last month, when German drifter Christian B was named as the main suspect in the Madeleine case - and Ms Behan read about his conviction for raping an American woman in strikingly similar circumstances - she contacted the Scotland Yard Madeleine squad.

She told the Guardian newspaper: "My mind was blown when I read how he had attacked a woman in 2005, both the tactics and the methods he used, the tools he had with him, how well he had planned it out.

"I puked, to be honest with you, as reading about it took me right back to my experience."

Scotland Yard detectives interviewed Ms Behan and later told her they had contacted Portuguese police. It appears that has prompted the reopening of her case.

She has said she was badly treated by the Portuguese detectives, who abandoned their investigation after eight months without identifying a suspect.

Ms Behan described her attacker as white, slim, with blonde hair, blue eyes and possibly German.

According to the case files, detectives were unable to find anyone in their records who matched the description, but that was wrong.

In another Portuguese police file seen by Sky News, there are photographs of a young Christian B who does fit the description.

They were taken by police in 1999, five years before Ms Behan was raped, after he was arrested and deported to Germany for child sex crimes.

If police do find evidence against Christian B for Ms Behan's attack it is unlikely he would be charged as Portugal has a 15-year statute of limitations on rape investigations.

https://news.sky.com/story/police-in-portugal-reopen-rape-investigation-after-claim-against-madeleine-mccann-suspect-12033629

looks like it could be 20 yrs in germany

Offline jassi

Re: If Brueckner is Never Charged.
« Reply #978 on: July 22, 2020, 10:55:50 AM »
Following on from the Sky News report ... http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11656.msg611101#msg611101  it seems that the Portuguese are at long last reopening yet another case which, like Madeleine's, should never have been closed or 'archived' in the first instance.

All of this was bubbling away in the background including the assaults on children under their holiday roofs while the Judicial Police were loudly building their case on sand totally directed at Kate and Gerry McCann.



'Snip'
Two months later, a masked man climbed the balcony to her apartment and attacked her as she slept in the early hours.

He held a knife to her throat, tied her up and gagged her, then raped her repeatedly.

During the attack he threatened to kill her and left her bleeding before fleeing over the balcony.

Last month, when German drifter Christian B was named as the main suspect in the Madeleine case - and Ms Behan read about his conviction for raping an American woman in strikingly similar circumstances - she contacted the Scotland Yard Madeleine squad.

She told the Guardian newspaper: "My mind was blown when I read how he had attacked a woman in 2005, both the tactics and the methods he used, the tools he had with him, how well he had planned it out.

"I puked, to be honest with you, as reading about it took me right back to my experience."

Scotland Yard detectives interviewed Ms Behan and later told her they had contacted Portuguese police. It appears that has prompted the reopening of her case.

She has said she was badly treated by the Portuguese detectives, who abandoned their investigation after eight months without identifying a suspect.

Ms Behan described her attacker as white, slim, with blonde hair, blue eyes and possibly German.

According to the case files, detectives were unable to find anyone in their records who matched the description, but that was wrong.

In another Portuguese police file seen by Sky News, there are photographs of a young Christian B who does fit the description.

They were taken by police in 1999, five years before Ms Behan was raped, after he was arrested and deported to Germany for child sex crimes.

If police do find evidence against Christian B for Ms Behan's attack it is unlikely he would be charged as Portugal has a 15-year statute of limitations on rape investigations.

https://news.sky.com/story/police-in-portugal-reopen-rape-investigation-after-claim-against-madeleine-mccann-suspect-12033629

I suppose that might explain why it was the Germans who prosecuted Brueckner for the rape of the American woman.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline G-Unit

Re: If Brueckner is Never Charged.
« Reply #979 on: July 22, 2020, 10:56:49 AM »
Following on from the Sky News report ... http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11656.msg611101#msg611101  it seems that the Portuguese are at long last reopening yet another case which, like Madeleine's, should never have been closed or 'archived' in the first instance.

All of this was bubbling away in the background including the assaults on children under their holiday roofs while the Judicial Police were loudly building their case on sand totally directed at Kate and Gerry McCann.



'Snip'
Two months later, a masked man climbed the balcony to her apartment and attacked her as she slept in the early hours.

He held a knife to her throat, tied her up and gagged her, then raped her repeatedly.

During the attack he threatened to kill her and left her bleeding before fleeing over the balcony.

Last month, when German drifter Christian B was named as the main suspect in the Madeleine case - and Ms Behan read about his conviction for raping an American woman in strikingly similar circumstances - she contacted the Scotland Yard Madeleine squad.

She told the Guardian newspaper: "My mind was blown when I read how he had attacked a woman in 2005, both the tactics and the methods he used, the tools he had with him, how well he had planned it out.

"I puked, to be honest with you, as reading about it took me right back to my experience."

Scotland Yard detectives interviewed Ms Behan and later told her they had contacted Portuguese police. It appears that has prompted the reopening of her case.

She has said she was badly treated by the Portuguese detectives, who abandoned their investigation after eight months without identifying a suspect.

Ms Behan described her attacker as white, slim, with blonde hair, blue eyes and possibly German.

According to the case files, detectives were unable to find anyone in their records who matched the description, but that was wrong.

In another Portuguese police file seen by Sky News, there are photographs of a young Christian B who does fit the description.

They were taken by police in 1999, five years before Ms Behan was raped, after he was arrested and deported to Germany for child sex crimes.

If police do find evidence against Christian B for Ms Behan's attack it is unlikely he would be charged as Portugal has a 15-year statute of limitations on rape investigations.

https://news.sky.com/story/police-in-portugal-reopen-rape-investigation-after-claim-against-madeleine-mccann-suspect-12033629

Why reopen it if it's too late to prosecute, I wonder?
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: If Brueckner is Never Charged.
« Reply #980 on: July 22, 2020, 10:58:08 AM »
Why reopen it if it's too late to prosecute, I wonder?

because its not

Offline jassi

Re: If Brueckner is Never Charged.
« Reply #981 on: July 22, 2020, 11:04:50 AM »


If they find sufficient evidence, perhaps it's only the Germans who can prosecute Brueckner over the disappearance of Madeleine, seeing as how he is a German citizen.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Brietta

Re: If Brueckner is Never Charged.
« Reply #982 on: July 22, 2020, 11:29:27 AM »

If they find sufficient evidence, perhaps it's only the Germans who can prosecute Brueckner over the disappearance of Madeleine, seeing as how he is a German citizen.

They've got another twenty two months to go.

But if there was sufficient evidence to charge Brueckner and there was a choice between prosecuting him in Germany or Portugal I would have difficulty deciding what my preference would be.

The rule of law seems to be worth something in Germany ... whereas it has been proved in Portugal that prosecutions don't seem to bother too much about forensics or other evidence and if suspects confess after being made punchbags and complain about it they just get extra added time on their sentence.

I'm a bit torn about where it would be best to try a suspect.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Eleanor

Re: If Brueckner is Never Charged.
« Reply #983 on: July 22, 2020, 11:57:04 AM »
Has Portugal expressed an interest in prosecuting this suspect? The Germans seem happy to deal with him.

And why should Portugal care?

Offline Brietta

Re: If Brueckner is Never Charged.
« Reply #984 on: July 22, 2020, 12:19:03 PM »
And why should Portugal care?

They've had over thirteen years to send divers into wells;  they've had much longer than that to investigate brutal rapes committed on their home soil.
Only the present international interest in the German investigation into Brueckner seems to have galvanised them into any sort of action.

These crimes were committed on foreign nationals ... one wonders if the native Portuguese population is served any better?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline G-Unit

Re: If Brueckner is Never Charged.
« Reply #985 on: July 22, 2020, 12:22:02 PM »
They've had over thirteen years to send divers into wells;  they've had much longer than that to investigate brutal rapes committed on their home soil.
Only the present international interest in the German investigation into Brueckner seems to have galvanised them into any sort of action.

These crimes were committed on foreign nationals ... one wonders if the native Portuguese population is served any better?

Have they started on the other 20 yet? Could the media be wrong about their intentions?
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Offline jassi

Re: If Brueckner is Never Charged.
« Reply #986 on: July 22, 2020, 12:26:16 PM »
They've had over thirteen years to send divers into wells;  they've had much longer than that to investigate brutal rapes committed on their home soil.
Only the present international interest in the German investigation into Brueckner seems to have galvanised them into any sort of action.

These crimes were committed on foreign nationals ... one wonders if the native Portuguese population is served any better?


Why should you be concerned ?
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I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Brietta

Re: If Brueckner is Never Charged.
« Reply #987 on: July 22, 2020, 12:56:34 PM »
Why should you be concerned ?

You are probably right as far as I am concerned.  But maybe the people of Portugal are wondering what type of protection for them and their children when they realise what has been allowed to walk amongst them with impunity.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline G-Unit

Re: If Brueckner is Never Charged.
« Reply #988 on: July 22, 2020, 01:50:36 PM »
You are probably right as far as I am concerned.  But maybe the people of Portugal are wondering what type of protection for them and their children when they realise what has been allowed to walk amongst them with impunity.

As it's not possible to know what people living in Portugal think I don't see the point in speculating. There doesn't seem to have been a mass exodus of expats either as far as I know.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: If Brueckner is Never Charged.
« Reply #989 on: July 22, 2020, 01:52:11 PM »
They've had over thirteen years to send divers into wells;  they've had much longer than that to investigate brutal rapes committed on their home soil.
Only the present international interest in the German investigation into Brueckner seems to have galvanised them into any sort of action.

These crimes were committed on foreign nationals ... one wonders if the native Portuguese population is served any better?

I very much doubt that The Portuguese Population is served any better.  There are No Crimes that The PJ can't solve.

It remains a Dictatorship.