If Brueckner is Never Charged.

[pathfinder73]

the Germans have strong evidence of his involvement....it's not up to you to decide if hes been cleared or not..is it?

Strong evidence is being able to prove she is dead before questioning any suspects they believe is involved. The Germans cannot prove it or they would be questioning CB. First they have to prove Madeleine is dead.

[Robittybob1]

Strong evidence is being able to prove she is dead before questioning any suspects they believe is involved. The Germans cannot prove it or they would be questioning CB. First they have to prove Madeleine is dead.

If Madeleine was abducted she may still be alive.  So why say the Germans have to prove she is dead?  You seem to be one step ahead.

[Mr Gray]

Strong evidence is being able to prove she is dead before questioning any suspects they believe is involved. The Germans cannot prove it or they would be questioning CB. First they have to prove Madeleine is dead.

You are obvioulsy mistaken...being able to prove she is dead requires proof...not simply evidence. I have explained why they are not questioning CB at this moment...I can't be bothered to do it again

[Robittybob1]

You are obvioulsy mistaken...being able to prove she is dead requires proof...not simply evidence. I have explained why they are not questioning CB at this moment...I can't be bothered to do it again

What sort of proof are you suggesting?  People have been charged without the body, so it isn't a body is it?

OK a dead body will just be evidence.  What is proof then?  Is it when the evidence can be explained in a way that makes the accused seem guilty? 

[pathfinder73]

You are obvioulsy mistaken...being able to prove she is dead requires proof...not simply evidence. I have explained why they are not questioning CB at this moment...I can't be bothered to do it again

You cannot accuse him of murder without evidence of the victim being deceased. The Germans believe he killed her when they were informed he said she was dead in a pub conversation.

[Brietta]

if Maddie was abducted her body may well be in Portugal, or Spain, or Germany, or France .... is that what you mean?

Madeleine may well be where an abductor, or the people he passed her to have taken her.

Please remember there is no proof conclusive or otherwise that Madeleine is dead ... she could still be alive.

I think if I were Brueckner, his lawyer and those total strangers who wish him well I would not be too sure of him walking away from Madeleine's case unscathed.  If there is evidence out there I think now is the time to find it with top detectives determined as are Madeleine's parents to leave no stone unturned.

To me it was always feasible that one day one stone being turned would reveal a creature like Brueckner lurking underneath it ... but if no-one is interested in looking, nothing will be found which disgracefully typified Madeleine's case for so long.

The situation has changed now ... investigators have got the bit between their teeth and are going for it unreservedly, I wish them well in their task.

[Mr Gray]

What sort of proof are you suggesting?  People have been charged without the body, so it isn't a body is it?

OK a dead body will just be evidence.  What is proof then?  Is it when the evidence can be explained in a way that makes the accused seem guilty?

sorry your post doesnt make  a lot of sense to me...a dead body wouldnt be just evidence.....it's 100% proof

[Brietta]

What sort of proof are you suggesting?  People have been charged without the body, so it isn't a body is it?

OK a dead body will just be evidence.  What is proof then?  Is it when the evidence can be explained in a way that makes the accused seem guilty?

The German Prosecutor seems to think that a murder charge requires a body ... so I'm going with that.

[Robittybob1]

sorry your post doesnt make  a lot of sense to me...a dead body wouldnt be just evidence.....it's 100% proof

A body found in a building formally occupied by CB would be evidence, but is it proof he did it?

[Robittybob1]

The German Prosecutor seems to think that a murder charge requires a body ... so I'm going with that.

Ok so it won't be a "no body" case, if they keep their word.  So the body/body part will need to be able to be confirmed to be from MM.   DNA is the ultimate proof of that (e.g DNA from inside a bone).    All other identifiers to MM are likely to be lost by now. 

[Mr Gray]

A body found in a building formally occupied by CB would be evidence, but is it proof he did it?

Its proof of death...whether it proves he did it or not depends on what the Jury thinks. The word proof is used  a lot here...there is absolute proof...the 100% kind....but justice doesnt require that...it requires proof beyond reasonable doubt

[Robittybob1]

Its proof of death...whether it proves he did it or not depends on what the Jury thinks. The word proof is used  a lot here...there is absolute proof...the 100% kind....but justice doesnt require that...it requires proof beyond reasonable doubt

So do you agree with that?  That proof is what a jury decides.   You might be right, as I'm still trying to understand how evidence becomes proof.

[Mr Gray]

So do you agree with that?  That proof is what a jury decides.   You might be right, as I'm still trying to understand how evidence becomes proof.

A jury decides on proof beyond reasonable doubt...not absolute truth. Its up to the Jury to decide if the evidence becomes proof beyond reasoanable doubt

[barrier]

So do you agree with that?  That proof is what a jury decides.   You might be right, as I'm still trying to understand how evidence becomes proof.

The burden is for prosecution to prove beyond reasonable doubt that the evidence is proof of the crime.

[sadie]

Ok so it won't be a "no body" case, if they keep their word.  So the body/body part will need to be able to be confirmed to be from MM.   DNA is the ultimate proof of that (e.g DNA from inside a bone).    All other identifiers to MM are likely to be lost by now.

If Madeleine is still alive, which I believe from a multitude of pointers (Circumstantial evidence) …  then there will be an abundance of DNA from Madeleines hair and body fluids.  These could have been obtained from a living Madeleine  in 2017, or before, when it looked like OP Grange were closing in


As Misty has pointed out, the ears never change .. so they are more important than the DNA IMO.

As I pointed out before any cadaver dogs will only identify a cadaver, not if it is Madeleine or Inge or someone else.

It is the EARS that matter if identifying a cadaver thought provisionally to be Madeleine.