If Brueckner is Never Charged.

[G-Unit]

So are you comceding that there was a paedophile and rapist in the neighbourhood when Madeleine went missing?

Gerry McCann was shouting about paedophiles almost immediately. It was a big change in his attitude from when he was reassuring his wife a couple of hours earlier.

it just strikes me, in awful retrospect, that, you know, Kate, I think, had done something that she wasn't quite happy with, in leaving the doors unlocked. And that is something again that she is going to beat herself up about for a long time to come because, you know, you, you like think that you acted on your instincts and I think her instinct was that that was something she wasn't really happy to do'...

Gerry had sort of said 'Oh it will be fine', you know. But she was obviously, because it wasn't something she was quite easy with, that's the way it came across, you know, but, but Gerry said, you know, 'It'll be fine. It'll be fine'.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FIONA-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

[Eleanor]

Gerry McCann was shouting about paedophiles almost immediately. It was a big change in his attitude from when he was reassuring his wife a couple of hours earlier.

it just strikes me, in awful retrospect, that, you know, Kate, I think, had done something that she wasn't quite happy with, in leaving the doors unlocked. And that is something again that she is going to beat herself up about for a long time to come because, you know, you, you like think that you acted on your instincts and I think her instinct was that that was something she wasn't really happy to do'...

Gerry had sort of said 'Oh it will be fine', you know. But she was obviously, because it wasn't something she was quite easy with, that's the way it came across, you know, but, but Gerry said, you know, 'It'll be fine. It'll be fine'.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FIONA-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

What on earth am I to do with you?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Gerry McCann was shouting about paedophiles almost immediately. It was a big change in his attitude from when he was reassuring his wife a couple of hours earlier.

it just strikes me, in awful retrospect, that, you know, Kate, I think, had done something that she wasn't quite happy with, in leaving the doors unlocked. And that is something again that she is going to beat herself up about for a long time to come because, you know, you, you like think that you acted on your instincts and I think her instinct was that that was something she wasn't really happy to do'...

Gerry had sort of said 'Oh it will be fine', you know. But she was obviously, because it wasn't something she was quite easy with, that's the way it came across, you know, but, but Gerry said, you know, 'It'll be fine. It'll be fine'.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FIONA-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

What point are you trying to make and what has it got to do with the question I asked Barrier?

[faithlilly]

I am also interested to know.

And it’s taken you over a month to ask ?

[sadie]

This was mentioned on another platform, that may be of interest: If German intelligence were able to track Brückner’s mobile phone close to apartment 5A before Madeleine disappeared, they also may have information re. the use of that number after her disappearance. If they were able to track and triangulate his phone usage afterwards, German authorities may have intelligence that they are withholding at this stage (?).

How interesting.  Another possible way forward.  Thanks Anthro.

Altho, I personally, doubt that Bruckner was involved in the lifting or the initial carrying off of Madeleine.

He might have been the watcher and organiser, tho'.   

Time will tell hopefully.

[sadie]

https://www.mz-web.de/sachsen-anhalt/hinweise-verdichten-sich-wurden-maddie-und-inga-opfer-desselben-taeters--36805072
This link contains some more pictures of the crate/box factory Brückner owned in Germany.

Thanks Anthro

I bet you had noticed just how pristine the newspaper from February 2013 was.  Over 7 years ago

Is that possible with rats/mice etc. around wanting to build nests ?

Anyone wonder if the newspaper lying there was staged?   But why?   To help fit someone up?   By whom ?

[sadie]

It means if you think CB is guilty ....but there is not enough evidence to charge..would you accept Grange ends. My answers ...yes...and it may happen with Grange saying they are no longer looking for anyone else...

I most definitely would not

By their deafening silence, Op Grange have made it clear, imo, that they do not agree with the German police …. and they are not prepared to share their knowledge.   I feel that they are on the cusp of something big.

Perhaps they have proof that Madeleine is still alive?


IMO, the SY investigation must go on, altho sadly with the current financial situation that this country faces, I doubt it can go on much longer.   

We are informed that they have a legal cut off date for this investigation and it is fairly soon.   Then it will be too late to prosecute, I understand.   OG must be supported, without interruptions like the Bruckner Affair, until that date at the very least, imo.


IMHO, the Bruckner Affair has probably just muddied the water … and seriously disrupted OG's efforts.


All strength to your elbow SY

[Mr Gray]

I most definitely would not

By their deafening silence, Op Grange have made it clear, imo, that they do not agree with the German police …. and they are not prepared to share their knowledge.   I feel that they are on the cusp of something big.

Perhaps they have proof that Madeleine is still alive?


IMO, the SY investigation must go on, altho sadly with the current financial situation that this country faces, I doubt it can go on much longer.   

We are informed that they have a legal cut off date for this investigation and it is fairly soon.   Then it will be too late to prosecute, I understand.   OG must be supported, without interruptions like the Bruckner Affair, until that date at the very least, imo.


IMHO, the Bruckner Affair has probably just muddied the water … and seriously disrupted OG's efforts.


All strength to your elbow SY

I  think you are wrong on just about every point you raise.

I think SY agree with the Germans that CB is the prime suspect and that this is the lead SY have been following for the past year  or so. As they do not have defintive proof maddie is dead then SY continue to traet this  as  a missing person enquiry. having said that I think even the McCanns accceot Maddie is probably dead.

If there is nothing left to investigate then the investigation has to come to it's natural end. If there are no further leads it cannot carry on...same as the Stephen Lawrence case. That case has been running for 27 years yet no complaints about the money spent or what about the other murdered young men.

the legal cut off date is in portugal...he can still be prosecuted in germany or the Uk for that matter.

[The General]

This was mentioned on another platform, that may be of interest: If German intelligence were able to track Brückner’s mobile phone close to apartment 5A before Madeleine disappeared, they also may have information re. the use of that number after her disappearance. If they were able to track and triangulate his phone usage afterwards, German authorities may have intelligence that they are withholding at this stage (?).

I believe this to be correct. Das Plod have him and his girlfriend in the vicinity (2007 mobile technology vicinity) of another crime elsewhere, Germany if memory serves. They have this intel by sifting through the call logs after his name popped out of their original search a couple of years ago. But, once again, they didn't have enough evidence to charge him.
That's what they're withholding, but not from him.
Phone calls, dog alerts and images that weren't found in his possession - that's it guys.
They clearly have an informer who they have faith in, or they wouldn't be able to gather so much info on his movements across a decade. Plus the ease with which they're digging up Lower Saxony with impunity  - time, money effort and resources, but the higher ups won't keep sanctioning Time Team when they find nicht.

[Mr Gray]

I believe this to be correct. Das Plod have him and his girlfriend in the vicinity (2007 mobile technology vicinity) of another crime elsewhere, Germany if memory serves. They have this intel by sifting through the call logs after his name popped out of their original search a couple of years ago. But, once again, they didn't have enough evidence to charge him.
That's what they're withholding, but not from him.
Phone calls, dog alerts and images that weren't found in his possession - that's it guys.
They clearly have an informer who they have faith in, or they wouldn't be able to gather so much info on his movements across a decade. Plus the ease with which they're digging up Lower Saxony with impunity  - time, money effort and resources, but the higher ups won't keep sanctioning Time Team when they find nicht.

I would say you are totally mistaken....the fact that you include the alerts as part of the Germans evidence confirms it ...

[Mr Gray]

I believe this to be correct. Das Plod have him and his girlfriend in the vicinity (2007 mobile technology vicinity) of another crime elsewhere, Germany if memory serves. They have this intel by sifting through the call logs after his name popped out of their original search a couple of years ago. But, once again, they didn't have enough evidence to charge him.
That's what they're withholding, but not from him.
Phone calls, dog alerts and images that weren't found in his possession - that's it guys.
They clearly have an informer who they have faith in, or they wouldn't be able to gather so much info on his movements across a decade. Plus the ease with which they're digging up Lower Saxony with impunity  - time, money effort and resources, but the higher ups won't keep sanctioning Time Team when they find nicht.

If the alerts were to Maddie's body they actually rule Breukner out

[Vertigo Swirl]

If the alerts were to Maddie's body they actually rule Breukner out

Precisely.  Unless he killed her, removed the body, brought it back 90 minutes later, then took it away with him again.  Mind you, some sceptics believe Gerry did this more or less, so obviously some people will believe anything to make the dog alerts work.

[Mr Gray]

Precisely.  Unless he killed her, removed the body, brought it back 90 minutes later, then took it away with him again.  Mind you, some sceptics believe Gerry did this more or less, so obviously some people will believe anything to make the dog alerts work.

unfortunately for the General it rather rubbishes his post and theories

[Vertigo Swirl]

unfortunately for the General it rather rubbishes his post and theories

I’ve been saying for years the dog alerts are ancient history and entirely irrelevant and the current investigation by three police forces proves it.

[The General]

If the alerts were to Maddie's body they actually rule Breukner out

....you catch on quick, so you do.