What evidence exists that MM's disappearance was sexually motivated?

[Holly Goodhead]

total, total,  denial

You dont see any difference between the McCanns as suspects and Breukner...total denial. i wonder just how long your denial will carry on.

You said its the first time investigators have reported they have strong evidence.  Investigators have said no such thing.  HCW is not an investigator he's  the spokesperson for the public prosecutor's office.   The BKA and MET are far more circumspect and for good reason in that CB is not in any way involved with MM's disappearance.

The Mc's were not suspects they were aguidos.  I didn't single them out I included RM who had the house he shared with his mother searched and parts dug up.  So yes we've been here before.

[Vertigo Swirl]

You said its the first time investigators have reported they have strong evidence.  Investigators have said no such thing.  HCW is not an investigator he's  the spokesperson for the public prosecutor's office.   The BKA and MET are far more circumspect and for good reason in that CB is not in any way involved with MM's disappearance.

The Mc's were not suspects they were aguidos.  I didn't single them out I included RM who had the house he shared with his mother searched and parts dug up.  So yes we've been here before.

Oh right so HCW is a maverick who just makes stuff up as he goes along is he?  The BKA don’t have a thing but HCW decided on a whim to become famous and make outrageously false claims to the media.  I’m surprised he wasn’t sacked a month ago in that case!

[Holly Goodhead]

Oh right so HCW is a maverick who just makes stuff up as he goes along is he?  The BKA don’t have a thing but HCW decided on a whim to become famous and make outrageously false claims to the media.  I’m surprised he wasn’t sacked a month ago in that case!

I'm sure we've all worked with individuals who are loose canons and shoot from the hip eg David Starkey.

[Mr Gray]

I'm sure we've all worked with individuals who are loose canons and shoot from the hip eg David Starkey.

You have no evidence HCW is a loose cannon. I think you are just showing what a closed mind you have as you are trying to make your theory fit. So where is your evidence that HCW is a loose cannon.

It might be alot more sensible to wait a little longer and see what happens.

If the PJ announced they had strong evidence the MCcanns are involved i would be interested to hear it....i wouldnt just dismiss it out of hand.  that shows an open mind as opposed to a closed mind

[Vertigo Swirl]

I'm sure we've all worked with individuals who are loose canons and shoot from the hip eg David Starkey.

You’ve worked with David Starkey?  What lies did he make up wrt to the organisation he represents?

[Mr Gray]

I'm sure we've all worked with individuals who are loose canons and shoot from the hip eg David Starkey.

And we've all worked with people who are superb at their job...

[sadie]

Gullible in what way....you think that because you believe the rubbish amaral spouts about the dogs and DNA. what he has claimed ahs been proven to be rubbish.
SY and the Germans feel CB is  a likely candidate.....I'm interested in this evidence the Germans have.

But, Davel, have SY actually said that CB is a likely candidate ?   SY seem to have been remarkably quiet about him and the whole thing IMO

That is unless I have missed something, then I stand corrected.

I feel that here is a great BIG RED HERRING somewhere in this mix.  I cant exactly put my finger on what it is, but I feel disinformatioin abounds.  My antennae keep twitching..  Something is wrong.

[Eleanor]

But, Davel, have SY actually said that CB is a likely candidate ?   SY seem to have been remarkably quiet about him and the whole thing IMO

That is unless I have missed something, then I stand corrected.

I feel that here is a great BIG RED HERRING somewhere in this mix.  I cant exactly put my finger on what it is, but I feel disinformatioin abounds.  My antennae keep twitching..  Something is wrong.

My brain has gone numb and without a single logical thought, so I might be inclined to agree with you.

[Mr Gray]

But, Davel, have SY actually said that CB is a likely candidate ?   SY seem to have been remarkably quiet about him and the whole thing IMO

That is unless I have missed something, then I stand corrected.

I feel that here is a great BIG RED HERRING somewhere in this mix.  I cant exactly put my finger on what it is, but I feel disinformatioin abounds.  My antennae keep twitching..  Something is wrong.

I think you are totally wrong about SY and no red herrigs. Breukner is the suspect SY have been working on too from what has been said. Until the Germans share their evidence with SY that Maddie is dead then SY will continue to treat it as  a missing persons enquiry.

Martin Brunt said they actually did a report a year ago on Breukner but didnt broadcast it for legal reasons

[Mr Gray]

You said its the first time investigators have reported they have strong evidence.  Investigators have said no such thing.  HCW is not an investigator he's  the spokesperson for the public prosecutor's office.   The BKA and MET are far more circumspect and for good reason in that CB is not in any way involved with MM's disappearance.

The Mc's were not suspects they were aguidos.  I didn't single them out I included RM who had the house he shared with his mother searched and parts dug up.  So yes we've been here before.

What is HCWs background...do you know. He has  said strong/concrete evidence  so I cannot imagine he has made that up. No we haven't been here before.

The McCCanns were suspects...are you denying that now...what do you think arguido status  means

IMO you simply cannot face the fact that Breukner is a strong candidate for Maddies disappearance because it doesnt fit with your theory.

[Myster]

Erster Staatsanwalt (First Prosecutor) H.C. Wolters is very well-qualified for the job, not an incompetent Mr. Bean manque which Holly would like everyone to believe!...

That involves reading files, instructing the police to conduct witness interviews or house searches, closing proceedings or writing indictments. The public prosecutor presents the final plea for the prosecution at the end of a court case.

https://staatsanwaltschaft-braunschweig.niedersachsen.de/startseite/aktuelles/pressekontakte/pressekontakte-170423.html

https://www.deutschland.de/en/topic/politics/how-public-prosecutors-work-in-germany

[G-Unit]

Erster Staatsanwalt (First Prosecutor) H.C. Wolters is very well-qualified for the job, not an incompetent Mr. Bean manque which Holly would like everyone to believe!...

That involves reading files, instructing the police to conduct witness interviews or house searches, closing proceedings or writing indictments. The public prosecutor presents the final plea for the prosecution at the end of a court case.

https://staatsanwaltschaft-braunschweig.niedersachsen.de/startseite/aktuelles/pressekontakte/pressekontakte-170423.html

https://www.deutschland.de/en/topic/politics/how-public-prosecutors-work-in-germany

Very similar to Portugal.

[Holly Goodhead]

You have no evidence HCW is a loose cannon. I think you are just showing what a closed mind you have as you are trying to make your theory fit. So where is your evidence that HCW is a loose cannon.

It might be alot more sensible to wait a little longer and see what happens.

If the PJ announced they had strong evidence the MCcanns are involved i would be interested to hear it....i wouldnt just dismiss it out of hand.  that shows an open mind as opposed to a closed mind

It's obvious the evidence isn't "strong":

- MET retaining an open mind re CB's involvement
- MET still treating as a missing person
- Appeals for info re vehicles and tel calls
- CB not questioned or charged

I don't need to attempt to shoehorn my theory into something that doesn't fit with the known facts.  Unlike CB my suspects fit puuuurrrrrfectly:

- Observed MM on Sun 29th Apr @ 5a
- Observed MM on Thu 3rd May @ 5a
- Learned of Mc's MO thru the person they were visiting: MM home alone, Mc's @ TB, unsecured patio door, crying incident
- Learned of recent burglary and used knowledge to stage window/shutter to throw everyone
- Able to plan and execute with military precision
- Possibly 2 involved: 1 - lookout, 1 - execute
- Tracker dogs didn't scent outside immediate vicinity suggesting car was involved - suspects non-descript hire car
- Demonstrates cunning by offering self as witness ostensibly to assist with the investigation

[Brietta]

It's obvious the evidence isn't "strong":

- MET retaining an open mind re CB's involvement
- MET still treating as a missing person
- Appeals for info re vehicles and tel calls
- CB not questioned or charged

I don't need to attempt to shoehorn my theory into something that doesn't fit with the known facts.  Unlike CB my suspects fit puuuurrrrrfectly:

- Observed MM on Sun 29th Apr @ 5a
- Observed MM on Thu 3rd May @ 5a
- Learned of Mc's MO thru the person they were visiting: MM home alone, Mc's @ TB, unsecured patio door, crying incident
- Learned of recent burglary and used knowledge to stage window/shutter to throw everyone
- Able to plan and execute with military precision
- Possibly 2 involved: 1 - lookout, 1 - execute
- Tracker dogs didn't scent outside immediate vicinity suggesting car was involved - suspects non-descript hire car
- Demonstrates cunning by offering self as witness ostensibly to assist with the investigation

Quite frankly if I were the person at the centre of your fantasy and knew about the allegations being made about me ... I would be consulting lawyers to see if you were worth suing.

[Holly Goodhead]

You’ve worked with David Starkey?  What lies did he make up wrt to the organisation he represents?

Thankfully I haven't had to work with DS who imo epitomises the word 'pompous'.   I didn't say he lied, I said he's a loose cannon.