“A Laughable Story”

[Erngath]

i  think some people cling to the abduction  theory  so they dont have to imagine a  parent hurting their  child it happens though  doesnt it  i read about parents doing all sorts of things to children  sadly

The majority of parents do not hurt their children or do "all sorts of things to them"
Are you implying that Madeleine`s parents hurt her or " did all sorts of things to her" ?

[Wonderfulspam]

The majority of parents do not hurt their children or do "all sorts of things to them"
Are you implying that Madeleine`s parents hurt her or " did all sorts of things to her" ?

The majority of parents don't piss off out for tapas & leave the kids indoors.

[G-Unit]

The SC did not say the McCanns havent been cleared...as far as Sy and the Germans..the McCanns are not being investigated ..CB is.

I would say SY have looked at everything...as they have confirmed...and sensibly decided the McCanns are not involved

By changing 277/1 to 277/2 the SC changed the reason for the archiving of the case. By doing so they made it clear that no arguidos had been ruled out.

Under 277/1 the archiving occurred because 'sufficient proof had been gathered that the then arguidos did not commit any facts of a criminal relevance.' In other words, the arguidos had been ruled out.

Under 277/2 the archiving occurred because 'it had not been possible for the Public Ministry to obtain sufficient evidence confirming the crime or who were the authors.' In other words, no-one was ruled out. Nor was the crime identified.

Details of Article 277 can be found here;
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Annulment_request.htm

[Erngath]

i  think some people cling to the abduction  theory  so they dont have to imagine a  parent hurting their  child it happens though  doesnt it  i read about parents doing all sorts of things to children  sadly

I don't " cling to the abduction story" to avoid thinking about all of.your above thoughts.
I would actually prefer the theory if many sceptics that Madeleine died and her father chucked her body in.a bin, or down a well or in the  sea.

[Mr Gray]

By changing 277/1 to 277/2 the SC changed the reason for the archiving of the case. By doing so they made it clear that no arguidos had been ruled out.

Under 277/1 the archiving occurred because 'sufficient proof had been gathered that the then arguidos did not commit any facts of a criminal relevance.' In other words, the arguidos had been ruled out.

Under 277/2 the archiving occurred because 'it had not been possible for the Public Ministry to obtain sufficient evidence confirming the crime or who were the authors.' In other words, no-one was ruled out. Nor was the crime identified.

Details of Article 277 can be found here;
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Annulment_request.htm

So it would be correct to day the SC said they were not ruled out in 2008 ..
They did not say they have not been ruled out since

[Wonderfulspam]

I don't " cling to the abduction story" to avoid thinking about all of.your above thoughts.
I would actually prefer the theory if many sceptics that Madeleine died and her father chucked her body in.a bin, or down a well or in the  sea.

That's a terrible thing to say.

Maddie might well be alive living with a nice family, Sadie has even seen a video of her.

But you'd prefer she were dead.

How awful.

[Brietta]

It was set up to investigate the abduction as if it occurred in the UK. It began with two assumptions; that there had been an abduction and that the PJ had ruled out the McCanns. One of those assumptions was shown to be incorrect by the Supreme Court in Portugal.

Operation Grange was set up as a result of the scoping exercise set up by Her Majesty's Government after months and years of relentless lobbying on her behalf by Madeleine's parents.

Darshna Soni You are calling for a review of the investigation. Explain to us why.

Gerry McCann I think the first thing to tell the general public is that the authorities haven't been doing anything proactive in the search for Madeleine for well over two years now and we think it is fundamental for any major incident that a case review is undertaken to look at all the avenues that could be explored that might lead to new information coming into the enquiry.  http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/43nov10/HEADLINES_TODAY_03_11_10.htm

But you already know this, don't you.

[kizzy]

So it would be correct to day the SC said they were not ruled out in 2008 ..
They did not say they have not been ruled out since

No, so we can class it as they are still not ruled out. imo

[Brietta]

No assumtions at all...grange was set up to investigate an abduction after a review had been carried out...thats not an assumption its  aconclusion....SY looked at all the evidence against the parents...almost certainly interviewed thema and decided they were not involved. This doesnt mean that if new evidence came to light during the investigation the direction could not look at the parents.


as for not being ruled out...I did think you understood that..you obviously dont..the SC never said teh McCannns hadnt been ruled out ..fact

Operation Grange didn't just materialise out of thin air it came about after a long, hard slog by her parents on her behalf and it came about because the authorities were put under the spotlight for their failure to look for Madeleine McCann.

Only the much derided McCann private detectives were doing that.

[Brietta]

No assumtions at all...grange was set up to investigate an abduction

Oh yes there was.

 They assumed Maddie had been abducted then - even though no evidence of abduction.

Grange should have been set up to look at what had happened to a missing child.

Grange should have been set up to look at what had happened to a missing child.

Which is precisely what it was set up to do ... and it is precisely what it has been and continues to do despite the slings and arrows directed at it since its inception.

[Brietta]

To investigate an abduction based on the findings of the review...that is not an assumption. no where does it say it is limited to the remit. Are you suggesting if evidence pointed to woke and wandered Grange would ignore it...that's barmy.

The fact is imo...they are investigating an abduction ...as are the Germans...because thats where the evidence points to

I think that is already well known it just doesn't make as good an argument as the preferred castles built on the sand with the assumption the police are going to set up an International operation such as Grange without justification.

[Brietta]

By changing 277/1 to 277/2 the SC changed the reason for the archiving of the case. By doing so they made it clear that no arguidos had been ruled out.

Under 277/1 the archiving occurred because 'sufficient proof had been gathered that the then arguidos did not commit any facts of a criminal relevance.' In other words, the arguidos had been ruled out.

Under 277/2 the archiving occurred because 'it had not been possible for the Public Ministry to obtain sufficient evidence confirming the crime or who were the authors.' In other words, no-one was ruled out. Nor was the crime identified.

Details of Article 277 can be found here;
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Annulment_request.htm

I prefer to wait for the ECHR pronouncement and I also prefer it when there is a passing swipe made at the topic under discussion.
You know the old saying though ~ if you can't beat them etc ~ but I really do think there is much more to be discussed by sensible people that the hatreds built up over a thirteen year period and repeated incessantly since.

It says such a lot.

[Vertigo Swirl]

i  think some people cling to the abduction  theory  so they dont have to imagine a  parent hurting their  child it happens though  doesnt it  i read about parents doing all sorts of things to children  sadly

Funnily enough I have the reverse theory and that is that some people cling to the "parents dunnit" theory because they don't like to have to contemplate the reality of paedophiles and stranger abductions.

[Vertigo Swirl]

By changing 277/1 to 277/2 the SC changed the reason for the archiving of the case. By doing so they made it clear that no arguidos had been ruled out.

Under 277/1 the archiving occurred because 'sufficient proof had been gathered that the then arguidos did not commit any facts of a criminal relevance.' In other words, the arguidos had been ruled out.

Under 277/2 the archiving occurred because 'it had not been possible for the Public Ministry to obtain sufficient evidence confirming the crime or who were the authors.' In other words, no-one was ruled out. Nor was the crime identified.

Details of Article 277 can be found here;
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Annulment_request.htm

Please provide a cite for your claim that Operation Grange was set up to help the McCanns - second time of asking.

[Brietta]

No, so we can class it as they are still not ruled out. imo

So in your opinion we can class Robert Murat as not been ruled out.  I'm sure he will be interested to know that.