When was Murat ruled out?

[Anthro]

Your theory that Brueckner sold golf balls to some black dude before taking Maddie & Joana on holiday to Morocco is much more convincing.

Hi Rob, Sadie’s comment is in response to this post.

[sadie]

Hi Rob, Sadie’s comment is in response to this post.

Thanks Anthro 

[Mr Gray]

The PJ never announced that the case was closed; the McCanns could have had it continue on request.

Can you providee a cite for this..its an important point which I do not beleive is true

[pathfinder73]

The McCann case never closed in the UK.

2009 - Operation Task



http://library.college.police.uk/docs/npia/Strategic-debrief-operation-task-2009.pdf

[G-Unit]

Can you providee a cite for this..its an important point which I do not beleive is true

The penal process is divided in 3 phases, the first, mandatory, being the criminal investigation. It is taken in charge by various police forces, directed by the Public Ministry, the PM itself being  under the control of a criminal inquiry judge. The second phase is the criminal inquiry. It is not mandatory and has to be requested either by the arguido(s), by the assistant(s) of the process or by a senior magistrate, but never by the Public Ministry. This phase, a kind of recourse against the criminal investigation, is orchestrated by the criminal inquiry judge and culminates in a crucial contradictory debate. Neither the McCann couple nor the "hierarchy" requested the criminal inquiry phase, a manner of agreeing with the conclusions of the criminal investigation. The last phase is eventually the judgement.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/Supreme_Court_31_01_2017.htm

[Mr Gray]

The penal process is divided in 3 phases, the first, mandatory, being the criminal investigation. It is taken in charge by various police forces, directed by the Public Ministry, the PM itself being  under the control of a criminal inquiry judge. The second phase is the criminal inquiry. It is not mandatory and has to be requested either by the arguido(s), by the assistant(s) of the process or by a senior magistrate, but never by the Public Ministry. This phase, a kind of recourse against the criminal investigation, is orchestrated by the criminal inquiry judge and culminates in a crucial contradictory debate. Neither the McCann couple nor the "hierarchy" requested the criminal inquiry phase, a manner of agreeing with the conclusions of the criminal investigation. The last phase is eventually the judgement.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/Supreme_Court_31_01_2017.htm

Doesn't really make a lot of sense.. From what I read under the new penal code the clock started ticking once the mccanns were made arguidos and either the mccanns had to be charged or the case, archived

[Mr Gray]

this case that remain unclear. How any case can be archived, sustained on a 57-page document that lists nothing but doubts, can only be justified by the need to comply with the new Penal Process Code, which was enforced on the 15th of September 2007. Under the new code, any judicial process starts a countdown on the day that the first arguido is made: after 8 months, with two possible extensions of 3 months each, there has to be a decision to either accuse, or archive the case.

[faithlilly]

The strategy the Russians use on the internet - dilute the truth, bury it in any debate and wear everyone sane down.

Sound familiar.

[Vertigo Swirl]

yep, sounds exactly like the campaign of misinformation that has been waging against the McCanns online by sceptic bots, hundreds of ‘em. Yeuch.

[Vertigo Swirl]

The penal process is divided in 3 phases, the first, mandatory, being the criminal investigation. It is taken in charge by various police forces, directed by the Public Ministry, the PM itself being  under the control of a criminal inquiry judge. The second phase is the criminal inquiry. It is not mandatory and has to be requested either by the arguido(s), by the assistant(s) of the process or by a senior magistrate, but never by the Public Ministry. This phase, a kind of recourse against the criminal investigation, is orchestrated by the criminal inquiry judge and culminates in a crucial contradictory debate. Neither the McCann couple nor the "hierarchy" requested the criminal inquiry phase, a manner of agreeing with the conclusions of the criminal investigation. The last phase is eventually the judgement.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/Supreme_Court_31_01_2017.htm

Wha’s the difference between a criminal investigation and a criminal inquiry?

[G-Unit]

Wha’s the difference between a criminal investigation and a criminal inquiry?

You seem to be under the impression that I exist to educate you. My cite was merely to demonstrate the truth of my claim; the McCanns could have requested a criminal enquiry rather than allow the archiving to be carried out.

[Vertigo Swirl]

You seem to be under the impression that I exist to educate you. My cite was merely to demonstrate the truth of my claim; the McCanns could have requested a criminal enquiry rather than allow the archiving to be carried out.

Touchy!  I was asking a reasonable question.  If you don’t know the answer just say “I don’t know”.  If there is a difference (which presumably there is) then it may be that the McCanns could not request that the investigation into their daughter’s disappearance continue (which would have been useful) only the inquiry, but what does that mean exactly?  The wording in your cite makes it sound like an appeal against the conclusions of the investigation, not an actual continuation of the investigation itself.

[Vertigo Swirl]

IMO it is complete nonsense to suggest that the PT police can be compelled to re-open and continue investigating a case on the say so of its chief suspects.  It makes no sense whatsoever.  In fact there is a time limit of 8 months on any investigation before it ends according to the below quote (remember thr crime of body occultation of which the McCanns were suspected only carries a two year sentence allegedly, so how could the McCanns have forced the investigation to be continued at that point?) So IMO it is absolute hogwash to say the McCanns could have requested the investigation into their daughter’s disappearance  to continue. 

“What time limits apply to the investigation and the inquiry?
The investigation must be completed within six months if any suspect is remanded in custody (or assigned to residence), and eight months if no-one is in custody, in cases of terrorism or violent or highly organised crime, and crimes carrying a maximum penalty of more than eight years in prison”.

[Mr Gray]

You seem to be under the impression that I exist to educate you. My cite was merely to demonstrate the truth of my claim; the McCanns could have requested a criminal enquiry rather than allow the archiving to be carried out.

i don't see that your cite demonstates the truth of your claim.

first...who wrote it....it is not part of the court judgement it seems to have been added by the person who translated it....written by Anne Gueddes ...what qualification does she have in portuguese law?

second..it says that it is not mandatory...so her is no guarantee that the mccanns could have had the case reopenned even if there is any sense in this jumbled note.

third...the actual court judgement from the prosecutor says...and im sure he understands portuguese law bwtter than you..

14. On 21/7/2008, the Republic General Prosecutor informed through a "note for the social communication" that the investigation mentioned in 5. would be shelved and could be reopened at the instigation of the Public Ministry or at the request of any interested party, if new evidence brought forth serious, relevant and consistent inquiries (n° 20).


based on all that I see your claim as being false

[G-Unit]

IMO it is complete nonsense to suggest that the PT police can be compelled to re-open and continue investigating a case on the say so of its chief suspects.  It makes no sense whatsoever.  In fact there is a time limit of 8 months on any investigation before it ends according to the below quote (remember thr crime of body occultation of which the McCanns were suspected only carries a two year sentence allegedly, so how could the McCanns have forced the investigation to be continued at that point?) So IMO it is absolute hogwash to say the McCanns could have requested the investigation into their daughter’s disappearance  to continue. 

“What time limits apply to the investigation and the inquiry?
The investigation must be completed within six months if any suspect is remanded in custody (or assigned to residence), and eight months if no-one is in custody, in cases of terrorism or violent or highly organised crime, and crimes carrying a maximum penalty of more than eight years in prison”.

I didn't claim that the PJ could be compelled to continue an investigation. I claimed that the arguidos could have requested that the case continue to the inquiry phase, which is true.