Is there more circumstantial evidence against the mccanns than there is CB

[Robittybob1]

Rob, purlease.  Doctors don't sell there children for financial gain.

Look at this example.   "China doctor jailed for selling babies to traffickers" https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-25723863#:~:text=A%20Chinese%20obstetrician%20has%20been,province%2C%20the%20sentencing%20court%20said.

[Robittybob1]

The recognised expression is, "Remotely Possible."  "Remotely Probable" is a contradiction.

Is it really?   Would the word be improbable?   "Improbable - not likely to be true or to happen." 

This will make you laugh.  https://www.pinterest.nz/pin/382313455840249946/

"Not even remotely probable...sorry. Even when you win...you lose."

"Below is a list of ways to win an argument with a woman"  [the rest of the page is blank]

[Robittybob1]

sorry. Even when you win...you lose."

[sadie]

Eddie's search started at 20.16 and his first alert was at 20.20, his second was at 20.22 and Eddie’s search of 5a terminated at 20.30. So 4 minutes from entry to first alert.

However in other searches Eddie was given 3 minutes for the WHOLE flat.
So he was given 45 seconds per room = a rush into each room and then out again.

With 5A, he was given 14 minutes, almost 5 times the allocated time for the other flats.  Not a very well balanced comparison, is it?

And as mentioned before, he tended to pass by things he should (possibly?) have alerted to the first time, but upon his return he then alerted.    When did he have the time to do this in the other flats ?


Given different conditions, you cant make such a comparison, can you?

[G-Unit]

However in other searches Eddie was given 3 minutes for the WHOLE flat.
So he was given 45 seconds per room = a rush into each room and then out again.

With 5A, he was given 14 minutes, almost 5 times the allocated time for the other flats.  Not a very well balanced comparison, is it?

And as mentioned before, he tended to pass by things he should (possibly?) have alerted to the first time, but upon his return he then alerted.    When did he have the time to do this in the other flats ?


Given different conditions, you cant make such a comparison, can you?

Your criticisms are only valid if you know enough about the training and handling of this type of dog for your opinion to carry weight. Afaik you don't have any expertise in the subject so your opinion is valueless imo.

The dog's trainer and handler, who has considerable expertise and experience, reported that the dog Eddie showed interest immediately on entering 5A;

"I first noticed is that as soon as I came in that the dog was very excited and as a handler I can pick up his body language etc and it would appear to me that as soon as he has come into the house he's picked up a scent that he recognises"
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

For me, that explains why the 5A search which followed was thorough. Had the same behaviour been seen on entering another of the apartments I expect the time spent there would have been longer too.

[Eleanor]

Your criticisms are only valid if you know enough about the training and handling of this type of dog for your opinion to carry weight. Afaik you don't have any expertise in the subject so your opinion is valueless imo.

The dog's trainer and handler, who has considerable expertise and experience, reported that the dog Eddie showed interest immediately on entering 5A;

"I first noticed is that as soon as I came in that the dog was very excited and as a handler I can pick up his body language etc and it would appear to me that as soon as he has come into the house he's picked up a scent that he recognises"
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

For me, that explains why the 5A search which followed was thorough. Had the same behaviour been seen on entering another of the apartments I expect the time spent there would have been longer too.

I suspect that Eddie had calmed down a bit by then.  He was a very excitable dog at the best of times.

[Mr Gray]

Your criticisms are only valid if you know enough about the training and handling of this type of dog for your opinion to carry weight. Afaik you don't have any expertise in the subject so your opinion is valueless imo.

The dog's trainer and handler, who has considerable expertise and experience, reported that the dog Eddie showed interest immediately on entering 5A;

"I first noticed is that as soon as I came in that the dog was very excited and as a handler I can pick up his body language etc and it would appear to me that as soon as he has come into the house he's picked up a scent that he recognises"
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

For me, that explains why the 5A search which followed was thorough. Had the same behaviour been seen on entering another of the apartments I expect the time spent there would have been longer too.

Point in red...this is just your opinion and is therefore valuless imo. It's quite raesonable for lay people to question the actions of professionals...even those considered experts....and the lay person may well be correct.

5a may well have the scent of other forennsic materials...such as luminol...which excited Eddie.

First we are supposed to have belief in the alerts...now its dog's body language. I dont see how that can be relied on.
 
The Pj had doubts about the alerts by the dogs and they were there. I think most would see  the so called alert to CC is totally ridiculous...the PJ highlighted this.

No one can deny the difference in the time spent on the car before an alert was produced. The other cars were examined for less tahn 30 secs but the Renaullt several minutes. The dog ran off at least three times before being called back.

No one can deny that Grime claimed he was not aware it was the McCanns car even though there were several posters of maddie attached to it. What is his expalnation for this statement.

all very odd.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Why did the handler need to go in the apartment at all?  Couldn’t he have just let Eddie go in by himself and waited at the door for the dog to either return to him or to alert?  What function did the handler perform inside the apartment (s)?

[Mr Gray]

The fact that CB is now the prime suspect shows all thre police forces are prepared to accept that Eddie did not alert to MM. As no other person died in that apartment what does taht say for the alerts and Grimes claim re Eddies body language

[Mr Gray]

This is the introduction to Grimes White Paper..

In 2005 it was realised that detection canines may be of assistance to the law enforcement investigation of homicide and allegations of abduction where the pace of investigations is of paramount importance. Innovative method and ‘out of the box thinking by the UK National Search Manager introduced Human Scent Trailing, Human Blood Detection and Victim Recovery Dogs (now collectively designated as Forensic Canines) within critical case investigations to ascertain whether or not they could provide case intelligence.

So in 2005 Grime began to work with Harrison. Did they together come up with the idea of "remnant scent" as useful intelligence. Had it been used before this date?

Based on this it may well be that the idea of "remnant scent" was developed by Grime and Harrison. Could this be why Grime was so keen to promote its usefulness and the basis for his subsequent business ventures.

I have wondered why the FBI were interested in Grime's tecniques when they had their own dog handlers.

Could this be the reason?

[Robittybob1]

The fact that CB is now the prime suspect shows all three police forces are prepared to accept that Eddie did not alert to MM. As no other person died in that apartment what does that say for the alerts and Grimes claim re Eddies body language

Where did you get that fact from?  As no other person died in that apartment or  As no other person "dead" in that apartment or As no other dead person had been in that apartment  Can you be sure of that?

[Mr Gray]

Where did you get that fact from?  As no other person died in that apartment or  As no other person "dead" in that apartment or As no other dead person had been in that apartment  Can you be sure of that?

It's what Amaral claimed and what sceptics believe
There seems to be no record of any previous death
Are you suggesting your double death theory has some validity

[barrier]

It's what Amaral claimed and what sceptics believe
There seems to be no record of any previous death
Are you suggesting your double death theory has some validity

Supporter's claim the dogs never alerted to what they were traind for, but  can't tell what they did alert to.

[Robittybob1]

It's what Amaral claimed and what sceptics believe
There seems to be no record of any previous death
Are you suggesting your double death theory has some validity

What I'm suggesting is that if you say there were no deceased persons in the apartment prior to the 3rd May 2007, that does not include any claim for what happens on or after the 3rd.

Amaral might say Madeleine was deceased in the apartment.   I could theorise that it wasn't Madeleine but someone else.   For I say Madeleine was possibly abducted from the road or the car park opposite the Tapas Restaurant entrance.
No double death theory.

[Eleanor]

Grime was hell bent on promoting his Dogs for his own Business Venture.  Not that I blame him for that, but Eddie was not a good example of a Cadaver Dog because he had learned too many old tricks in the process of fulfilling his original purpose.

So even Grime can't have been sure of what Eddie was alerting to.  Although he did say that Forensic Evidence was necessary.

Some people just bought what they wanted to see.