Brexit

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I thought the French were still wingeing about fish?

I think you need to check your preferredd newsfeed.

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Comment in the Times
“We don't yet know what is in this trade deal, but some conclusions can be drawn alrady:


1. Better late than never
2. Any deal, even a bad deal is better than no deal
3. Whatever will be in this deal, it won't be as good as the deal we had
4. Whatever is agreed, we will still have to follow a great many EU rules and regulations but wont have any influence
5. Whatever is agreed, many Brexit voters will feel betrayed
6. Whatever is agreed, most remain voters will see their fears confirmed because the promise that we will be better off cannot be kept
7. Despite the deal, the international damage done is immense,  just think of threatening to break international law
8. The UK's standing in the world outside the EU will be curtailed
9. We have lost the freedom to travel, live and work in the EU
10. We have lost the freedom to simply load a lorry with goods and just go and deliver things in the EU
11. Brexit was supposed to free us from read tape, instead we have created a large amount of new red tape, much of it internal
12. Because of new customs procedures - there were none before - goods will be more expensive to cover the cost of the new red tape
13. Because people don't like to pay more and be more restricted, xenophobic sentiments will get worse
14. The ERG will likely damage the Conservatives even more
15. The UK union is at risk

There is of course more to be concerned about but still, this deal will be better than no deal”. 

But at least democracy prevailed and the turkeys got the Christmas they wanted!

[G-Unit]

Comment in the Times
“We don't yet know what is in this trade deal, but some conclusions can be drawn alrady:


1. Better late than never
2. Any deal, even a bad deal is better than no deal
3. Whatever will be in this deal, it won't be as good as the deal we had
4. Whatever is agreed, we will still have to follow a great many EU rules and regulations but wont have any influence
5. Whatever is agreed, many Brexit voters will feel betrayed
6. Whatever is agreed, most remain voters will see their fears confirmed because the promise that we will be better off cannot be kept
7. Despite the deal, the international damage done is immense,  just think of threatening to break international law
8. The UK's standing in the world outside the EU will be curtailed
9. We have lost the freedom to travel, live and work in the EU
10. We have lost the freedom to simply load a lorry with goods and just go and deliver things in the EU
11. Brexit was supposed to free us from read tape, instead we have created a large amount of new red tape, much of it internal
12. Because of new customs procedures - there were none before - goods will be more expensive to cover the cost of the new red tape
13. Because people don't like to pay more and be more restricted, xenophobic sentiments will get worse
14. The ERG will likely damage the Conservatives even more
15. The UK union is at risk

There is of course more to be concerned about but still, this deal will be better than no deal”. 

But at least democracy prevailed and the turkeys got the Christmas they wanted!

There seems to be a fair bit of speculation there; I imagine the writer is a remainer. Whatever the deal is, both the EU countries and the UK will face difficulties arising from the Covid outbreak. I fully expect remainers to blame Brexit rather than Covid, obviously.

The test of the deal for me is whether the UK has managed to regain the right to make it's own decisions rather than having laws imposed on it from the EU. If it has then the government has carried out the wishes of a majority of the people, which is what they were asked to do. Those MP's who clearly wanted to ignore a democratic vote are gone; Dominic Grieve, Anna Soubry, Chuka Umunna and David Gauke in particular were prominant but not any more.

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There seems to be a fair bit of speculation there; I imagine the writer is a remainer. Whatever the deal is, both the EU countries and the UK will face difficulties arising from the Covid outbreak. I fully expect remainers to blame Brexit rather than Covid, obviously.

The test of the deal for me is whether the UK has managed to regain the right to make it's own decisions rather than having laws imposed on it from the EU. If it has then the government has carried out the wishes of a majority of the people, which is what they were asked to do. Those MP's who clearly wanted to ignore a democratic vote are gone; Dominic Grieve, Anna Soubry, Chuka Umunna and David Gauke in particular were prominant but not any more.

And I fully expect Brexiteers to blame Covid for everything bad that happens to this country for the next 10 years, in fact you could say that Covid has provided them with the perfect cover. 

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And I fully expect Brexiteers to blame Covid for everything bad that happens to this country for the next 10 years, in fact you could say that Covid has provided them with the perfect cover.

And I fully expect that, within two  generations, Covid will be forgotten, apart from the annual jab that the over 65s and certain others will get every year,  along with their flu jabs,  and the UK (or whatever is left of it), will be wanting to rejoin the EU.

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And I fully expect that, within two  generations, Covid will be forgotten, apart from the annual jab that the over 65s and certain others will get every year,  along with their flu jabs,  and the UK (or whatever is left of it), will be wanting to rejoin the EU.

I’m sure we will eventually apply to rejoin the EU too.

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Oh the joys of Brexit - one of my Dutch customers just had to pay 18 euros VAT and handling fee on an item that cost around 23 euros.  What a fabulous free trade deal Boris negotiated for us. 

[Wonderfulspam]

Oh the joys of Brexit - one of my Dutch customers just had to pay 18 euros VAT and handling fee on an item that cost around 23 euros.  What a fabulous free trade deal Boris negotiated for us.

One wonders what you're trading in that's so incredibly unique that it can't be purchased in Dutch Land?

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One wonders what you're trading in that's so incredibly unique that it can't be purchased in Dutch Land?

Wonder away Spammy.

[G-Unit]

Oh the joys of Brexit - one of my Dutch customers just had to pay 18 euros VAT and handling fee on an item that cost around 23 euros.  What a fabulous free trade deal Boris negotiated for us.

I assume it cost you 23 euros, not them? With a 21% vat rate the vat on 23 euros would have been less than 5 euros. I also assume you know purchases within the EU were never vat free?

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I assume it cost you 23 euros, not them? With a 21% vat rate the vat on 23 euros would have been less than 5 euros. I also assume you know purchases within the EU were never vat free?

I assume you know that prior to Brexit we could sell goods to the EU and the recipient would not have to pay VAT or a handling fee when the goods arrived?  I assume you know that we were promised a free trade deal with our European "friends and partners"?  FYI - the VAT paid by the customer was 4 euros 80cents plus a 17 euro handling fee.  If you think Brexit is good for small businesses like mine, think again.

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I assume you know that prior to Brexit we could sell goods to the EU and the recipient would not have to pay VAT or a handling fee when the goods arrived?  I assume you know that we were promised a free trade deal with our European "friends and partners"?  FYI - the VAT paid by the customer was 4 euros 80cents plus a 17 euro handling fee.  If you think Brexit is good for small businesses like mine, think again.

I don't know the nature of your business or whether you're vat registered. If you are, then you need to charge vat on your sales to EU countries. Handling fees are associated with both customs duties and vat. This covers goods bought in the UK from suppliers in the EU, but I expect it's relevant;

If customs charges are payable upon importation, Royal Mail will charge a handling fee to cover the costs for carrying out customs procedures, which includes paying any Customs Duty or VAT due and collecting it from you. If customs examination is required, or if information is missing from the declaration, Royal Mail will open, repack and reseal the package. All international courier and postal operators charge fees for their services. HMRC and Border Force do not have any authority over the level of charges applied for these services.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/notice-143-a-guide-for-international-post-users/notice-143-a-guide-for-international-post-users

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I don't know the nature of your business or whether you're vat registered. If you are, then you need to charge vat on your sales to EU countries. Handling fees are associated with both customs duties and vat. This covers goods bought in the UK from suppliers in the EU, but I expect it's relevant;

If customs charges are payable upon importation, Royal Mail will charge a handling fee to cover the costs for carrying out customs procedures, which includes paying any Customs Duty or VAT due and collecting it from you. If customs examination is required, or if information is missing from the declaration, Royal Mail will open, repack and reseal the package. All international courier and postal operators charge fees for their services. HMRC and Border Force do not have any authority over the level of charges applied for these services.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/notice-143-a-guide-for-international-post-users/notice-143-a-guide-for-international-post-users

Thanks I know all that, my point is anyone in the EU buying anything from UK small businesses priced at over 21 euros is liable to face VAT and a large handling charge.  Obviously my customer in Holland is unlikely to ever purchase from me again if they know that their goods are likely to cost another 20 odd euros on top of the price they've already paid and will source their goods from within the EU in future.  How is this Brexit deal advantageous to small businesses like mine?  Once you've figured it out, do be sure to let me know, ta. 

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Thanks I know all that, my point is anyone in the EU buying anything from UK small businesses priced at over 21 euros is liable to face VAT and a large handling charge.  Obviously my customer in Holland is unlikely to ever purchase from me again if they know that their goods are likely to cost another 20 odd euros on top of the price they've already paid and will source their goods from within the EU in future.  How is this Brexit deal advantageous to small businesses like mine?  Once you've figured it out, do be sure to let me know, ta.

It will also apply to people in the EU buying from large UK businesses, and to people in the UK buying goods from EU countries. In fact many large UK companies are not offering sales to EU countries at the moment.

As goods manufactured in the UK and ordered from the UK don't attract customs duty, selling British goods seems like a good idea.

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It will also apply to people in the EU buying from large UK businesses, and to people in the UK buying goods from EU countries. In fact many large UK companies are not offering sales to EU countries at the moment.

As goods manufactured in the UK and ordered from the UK don't attract customs duty, selling British goods seems like a good idea.

Very helpful I'm sure. 
It's clear to me that those who voted for Brexit didn't have a clue what it would mean in practical terms for trade between the EU and the UK and that they reallydon't care if it has a negative impact anyway.  As long as the "will of the people" was carried out, as long as "we got our sovereignty back", as long as we can now "control our borders", as long as we can "take back control" the rest can go to shit.