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Offline Robittybob1

Re: What is wrong about this YouTube summary -Meet the Suspects video?
« Reply #360 on: December 21, 2020, 07:35:58 PM »
Obviously didn't need to... Guilty verdict
Right how far through the video have we got? 
https://youtu.be/eBWsaJwBbxw  "Meet (most of!) the suspects in the Madeleine McCann case"
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: What is wrong about this YouTube summary -Meet the Suspects video?
« Reply #361 on: December 21, 2020, 07:44:16 PM »
She's saying the hidden cellar was 15 feet underground  That is seriously deep IMO.  Are you guys still measuring things in feet and inches?


15 feet!  Is that to the top or to the floor level of this cellar?  I find this incredible.  What was CB doing with such a deep cellar?

When was that dug?  https://youtu.be/eBWsaJwBbxw?t=419

(2008 was the last time Christian B was living there.)
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Offline jassi

Re: What is wrong about this YouTube summary -Meet the Suspects video?
« Reply #362 on: December 21, 2020, 07:48:56 PM »
She's saying the hidden cellar was 15 feet underground  That is seriously deep IMO.  Are you guys still measuring things in feet and inches?


15 feet!  Is that to the top or to the floor level of this cellar?  I find this incredible.  What was CB doing with such a deep cellar?

When was that dug?  https://youtu.be/eBWsaJwBbxw?t=419

Maybe it was there before he went there.
I suggested, a while ago, that it might have been an air raid shelter.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: What is wrong about this YouTube summary -Meet the Suspects video?
« Reply #363 on: December 21, 2020, 07:56:57 PM »
Maybe it was there before he went there.
I suggested, a while ago, that it might have been an air raid shelter.
So supposedly the small shed would hide the ladder that dropped down into the air-raid shelter.  Would that work in an air raid.  The shed could get knocked over and you wouldn't be able to access the entrance any longer. 
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Offline jassi

Re: What is wrong about this YouTube summary -Meet the Suspects video?
« Reply #364 on: December 21, 2020, 08:03:36 PM »
So supposedly the small shed would hide the ladder that dropped down into the air-raid shelter.  Would that work in an air raid.  The shed could get knocked over and you wouldn't be able to access the entrance any longer.

There might not have been a shed there during the war, just an underground bunker, or maybe there was once a house on top.
Who knows. Is it important ?
I can't see that Brueckner would have dug it out in his spare time.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: What is wrong about this YouTube summary -Meet the Suspects video?
« Reply #365 on: December 21, 2020, 08:15:16 PM »
There might not have been a shed there during the war, just an underground bunker, or maybe there was once a house on top.
Who knows. Is it important ?
I can't see that Brueckner would have dug it out in his spare time.
I think it would show some sort of "intentionality".
If it was built in the 2nd WW then it wasn't CB who built it.  Things in the bunker suggest to me it had recently used.  So where was the access way?  Certainly, if a child was dropped into it as I imagine it, there would be no escape once the ladder was withdrawn.  Could it only be withdrawn by someone from above?   Doesn't sound like an effective shelter to me. 


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Offline jassi

Re: What is wrong about this YouTube summary -Meet the Suspects video?
« Reply #366 on: December 21, 2020, 08:20:22 PM »
I think it would show some sort of "intentionality".
If it was built in the 2nd WW then it wasn't CB who built it.  Things in the bunker suggest to me it had recently used.  So where was the access way?  Certainly, if a child was dropped into it as I imagine it, there would be no escape once the ladder was withdrawn.  Could it only be withdrawn by someone from above?   Doesn't sound like an effective shelter to me. 

It is against the rules to comment on bad spelling.  It was accidental and I thought quite funny so I left it.

Did it say access by ladder ?
I reckon a ladder could be taken down into the bunker as well as lifted out.
An  bunker 15 ft underground sounds vastly superior to some of the  British air raid shelters
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: What is wrong about this YouTube summary -Meet the Suspects video?
« Reply #367 on: December 21, 2020, 08:34:32 PM »
Lighten up.
From what Misty says, it might never have existed.
Bit coincidental if it never existed, but do carry on taking the piss out of a violent rape, it’s the kind of observation we have come to expect from you.
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Offline jassi

Re: What is wrong about this YouTube summary -Meet the Suspects video?
« Reply #368 on: December 21, 2020, 08:35:50 PM »
Bit coincidental if it never existed, but do carry on taking the piss out of a violent rape, it’s the kind of observation we have come to expect from you.

Who is this 'we', paleface ?
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: What is wrong about this YouTube summary -Meet the Suspects video?
« Reply #369 on: December 21, 2020, 08:37:56 PM »
Did it say access by ladder ?
I reckon a ladder could be taken down into the bunker as well as lifted out.
An  bunker 15 ft underground sounds vastly superior to some of the  British air raid shelters
It hasn't really said.  When I saw the digger there it makes me think the soil above it was well compacted.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: What is wrong about this YouTube summary -Meet the Suspects video?
« Reply #370 on: December 21, 2020, 10:54:27 PM »
She says something about Jane Tanner seeing a man carrying a blond-haired child.  I thought it was the feet end of the child she saw. I can't remember her saying anything about a blond child.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE-TANNER.htm
"Meanwhile a man appeared ( * ) carrying a child (**), with a hurried walk, it being this detail together with the fact that the child dressed in pyjamas, without being wrapped up in a blanket, that caught her attention. She only managed to see him from the side, with the child in his arms. She noticed the individual's presence exactly when she had just passed by Gerry and Jez who were talking, having seen this person step off the pavement that borders on the apartment block where they were staying and rapidly cross the road."

Does this change over the next week?

"Confronted with the information that the [tracker] dog teams had followed/followed the scent trails in which, purportedly, MBM had not passed the intersection where she indicated a man carried a child, she affirmed, immediately, that she was not lying, maintaining the honesty of her initial version. That, indeed, there had passed in front of her a man carrying, in his arms, a barefoot child. At the time she had not paid him much attention because it is common, at the OC, for children to pass in the arms of their parents between the creche and their respective homes, when they have collected them from the baby-sitting service. Only it was strange that the child had no cover (blanket) and the way the man walked, rapidly, and how he was dressed, the trousers were slightly wide their entire length, being straight. They (trousers) were as to colour, identical to "corticine" (a type of floor covering), "chino" [Chinese] style. As for the coat it was dark coloured, she was not able to specify what, seeming to be the same material as the trousers, it being a type of "anorak". As for the footwear she relates that she cannot confirm with certainty but [they were] shoes with a Slight "heel".


About the description of the child, she confirmed that it was being carried in his arms, with the legs in her direction and barefoot. She thought that it was a female child because the pyjamas were a light colour (seemingly pink to her). She never saw the hair of the child. She never saw it move nor make any sound, thinking that it was asleep."

So that part of the video is wrong IMO.

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Offline G-Unit

Re: What is wrong about this YouTube summary -Meet the Suspects video?
« Reply #371 on: December 21, 2020, 11:34:35 PM »
snip/

"About the description of the child, she confirmed that it was being carried in his arms, with the legs in her direction and barefoot. She thought that it was a female child because the pyjamas were a light colour (seemingly pink to her). She never saw the hair of the child. She never saw it move nor make any sound, thinking that it was asleep."

So that part of the video is wrong IMO."

Many people say what they want to be true rather than what is true. There has been a lot of that in this case. That's why cites and familiarity with the PJ files is so important in my opinion. Sometimes it's due to carelessness, but there seems to be other times when it's deliberate imo. Who started the rumour that Mr Smith had changed his mind about who he saw on 3rd May, for example? It became a much quoted 'truth', but I've never seen a reliable cite for it.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: What is wrong about this YouTube summary -Meet the Suspects video?
« Reply #372 on: December 21, 2020, 11:56:05 PM »
snip/

"About the description of the child, she confirmed that it was being carried in his arms, with the legs in her direction and barefoot. She thought that it was a female child because the pyjamas were a light colour (seemingly pink to her). She never saw the hair of the child. She never saw it move nor make any sound, thinking that it was asleep."

So that part of the video is wrong IMO."

Many people say what they want to be true rather than what is true. There has been a lot of that in this case. That's why cites and familiarity with the PJ files is so important in my opinion. Sometimes it's due to carelessness, but there seems to be other times when it's deliberate imo. Who started the rumour that Mr Smith had changed his mind about who he saw on 3rd May, for example? It became a much quoted 'truth', but I've never seen a reliable cite for it.
The media reported it, and you know it.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: What is wrong about this YouTube summary -Meet the Suspects video?
« Reply #373 on: December 22, 2020, 12:16:30 AM »
snip/

"About the description of the child, she confirmed that it was being carried in his arms, with the legs in her direction and barefoot. She thought that it was a female child because the pyjamas were a light colour (seemingly pink to her). She never saw the hair of the child. She never saw it move nor make any sound, thinking that it was asleep."

So that part of the video is wrong IMO."

Many people say what they want to be true rather than what is true. There has been a lot of that in this case. That's why cites and familiarity with the PJ files is so important in my opinion. Sometimes it's due to carelessness, but there seems to be other times when it's deliberate imo. Who started the rumour that Mr Smith had changed his mind about who he saw on 3rd May, for example? It became a much quoted 'truth', but I've never seen a reliable cite for it.

IMO it was totally irresponsible to report that Martin Smith had identified Gerry McCann in any way.  It was not a lineup, like a formal identification parade.
A person can be totally wrong even if he was 60 -80% certain.  If he had to pick up the person from a line up of 6 or so similar-looking men carrying their child in their arms then it might have been more scientific.

Was "the rumour that Mr Smith had changed his mind about who he saw on 3rd May," mentioned in the video?  If not, let's move on to something mentioned in which the video was wrong.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: What is wrong about this YouTube summary -Meet the Suspects video?
« Reply #374 on: December 22, 2020, 12:33:21 AM »
G-unit you wrote, "Many people say what they want to be true rather than what is true. There has been a lot of that in this case. That's why cites and familiarity with the PJ files is so important in my opinion".

To me the PJ files are just as problematic, as I have noted there were vast numbers of people interviewed who had no possibility of being a witness.  I've asked myself what was the purpose?  Was it just to show that it wasn't a crime committed by an Ocean Club or Mark Warner employee?  There are also employees or associates that are not interviewed who would have a direct possibility of knowing something.  To me, the PJ files are a reflection of the corruption that is possibly behind the McCann case.   Goncalo Amaral blamed the UK government for interference, but that may just be an excuse, but a true indication of some other political pressure or commercial pressure coming on this case.

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