Helge Bushing And Manfred Seyferth

[faithlilly]

Where do you get the nine years from?    He was sat in a pub with CB and the 10 year anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance came on the tv.  CB boasted he knew what happened to her.   I believe he told the Police that same year.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8720485/Witness-helped-launch-Madeleine-McCann-investigation-says-Christian-Brueckner-guilty.html

A witness who went to Madeleine McCann police with the name of suspect Christian Brueckner says the German paedophile is guilty and will 'stay in jail for a long time'.   

Helge Busching says he is the man who gave Brueckner's name to British police in 2017, around the 10th anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance.

Busching, 48, claims that Brueckner told him at a Spanish kite festival in 2008 that he was involved in Madeleine's abduction from Praia da Luz a year earlier.


Nine years later, after Busching was arrested for smuggling migrants in Greece, he said he wanted to speak to British police and was questioned by Madeleine detectives in Athens, The Sun reports.

[misty]

https://www.keeptalkinggreece.com/2017/08/28/madeleine-mccann-greece/
August 28, 2017

Scotland Yard is looking for the secret of British toddler Madeleine McCann in Athens after a witness contacted the team Grange. A Greek newspaper revealed that a German citizen living in Athens contacted  “Team Grange” claiming he had information about the case as he was in nearby area when 3-year-old Madeleine disappeared from a hotel in Algarve Portugal  in 2007.

According to Sunday newspaper To Vima, the 46-year-old German citizen has already spoken with detectives of Scotland Yard’s “Grange”, a team established in 2011 and assigned with the Madeleine’s case.

The meeting between the British detectives and the German took place in Athens a couple of days  ago, the man reportedly gave critical information about the girl’s fate. He has been described as “important and trustworthy witness.”

(some text removed here as not relevant to witness)

cont...

New witness

Citing a memo prepared by the Greek Police on 18 July 2017, To Vima reports that the German national had contacted the Grange team last May the aim to help investigation. The Police memo was based on a briefing the Greek police representative in London had received by the Metropolitan Police of UK.

The 46-year-old had reportedly given to Metropolitan Policed “voluntarily and without any financial or other consideration, information about the case that has been cross-checked” and “he is considered a reliable source.”

Citing several police sources and documents, To Vima writes that the German national who has permanent residence in France was arrested in Igoumenista, North-West Greece, in 2011 for the transport of illegal migrants from Africa. A case was filed but he was set free. He was arrested again in Thessaloniki in 2015, when he returned to Greece for holidays. He was sentenced to seven years and five months imprisonment. He denied charges claiming he had helped the three hiking foreigners. He served his sentence in the prison of Chania, Crete, and from there he contacted the team Grange.

HE was released form prison a few weeks ago and he allegedly used a cell phone registered to a woman, national of a Balkan country, and resident of Agios Panteleimonas district of Athens.

The man had been banned from living the country pending 2nd degree trial scheduled for next month.

To Vima has reportedly contacted the man in the region of Fthiotida, Central Greece. He admitted to have talked with Scotland Yard detectives who had come to Athens in  order to talk with him.

“I give important information for the case. On the day Madeleine disappeared I was also in the particular province in Portugal, in a neighboring area,” the German national told the newspaper. He claimed that he had contacted the local police back then but there was no further investigation.

“Now there is keen interest from Scotland Yard for the information I have, however I am not allowed to say anything to anyone else.” the man said adding that his cooperation with British police will continue in the coming days.

To Vima-reporter’s question about Madeleine’s fate and if he thinks she was still alive, the man replied, ten years have passed since then are a lot..”

Full story To Vima online.

[misty]

https://www.tanea.gr/2020/06/08/greece/astynomika/apokalyptika-eggrafa-gia-tin-eksafanisi-tis-mantlin-ti-eixe-deiksei-ereyna-stin-ellada-gia-germano-poiniko/amp/

The same information but adds that Busching was due to appear in a court in Corfu on a charge of illegal trafficking but skipped the country.

[Vertigo Swirl]

https://www.keeptalkinggreece.com/2017/08/28/madeleine-mccann-greece/
August 28, 2017

Scotland Yard is looking for the secret of British toddler Madeleine McCann in Athens after a witness contacted the team Grange. A Greek newspaper revealed that a German citizen living in Athens contacted  “Team Grange” claiming he had information about the case as he was in nearby area when 3-year-old Madeleine disappeared from a hotel in Algarve Portugal  in 2007.

According to Sunday newspaper To Vima, the 46-year-old German citizen has already spoken with detectives of Scotland Yard’s “Grange”, a team established in 2011 and assigned with the Madeleine’s case.

The meeting between the British detectives and the German took place in Athens a couple of days  ago, the man reportedly gave critical information about the girl’s fate. He has been described as “important and trustworthy witness.”

(some text removed here as not relevant to witness)

cont...

New witness

Citing a memo prepared by the Greek Police on 18 July 2017, To Vima reports that the German national had contacted the Grange team last May the aim to help investigation. The Police memo was based on a briefing the Greek police representative in London had received by the Metropolitan Police of UK.

The 46-year-old had reportedly given to Metropolitan Policed “voluntarily and without any financial or other consideration, information about the case that has been cross-checked” and “he is considered a reliable source.”

Citing several police sources and documents, To Vima writes that the German national who has permanent residence in France was arrested in Igoumenista, North-West Greece, in 2011 for the transport of illegal migrants from Africa. A case was filed but he was set free. He was arrested again in Thessaloniki in 2015, when he returned to Greece for holidays. He was sentenced to seven years and five months imprisonment. He denied charges claiming he had helped the three hiking foreigners. He served his sentence in the prison of Chania, Crete, and from there he contacted the team Grange.

HE was released form prison a few weeks ago and he allegedly used a cell phone registered to a woman, national of a Balkan country, and resident of Agios Panteleimonas district of Athens.

The man had been banned from living the country pending 2nd degree trial scheduled for next month.

To Vima has reportedly contacted the man in the region of Fthiotida, Central Greece. He admitted to have talked with Scotland Yard detectives who had come to Athens in  order to talk with him.

“I give important information for the case. On the day Madeleine disappeared I was also in the particular province in Portugal, in a neighboring area,” the German national told the newspaper. He claimed that he had contacted the local police back then but there was no further investigation.

“Now there is keen interest from Scotland Yard for the information I have, however I am not allowed to say anything to anyone else.” the man said adding that his cooperation with British police will continue in the coming days.

To Vima-reporter’s question about Madeleine’s fate and if he thinks she was still alive, the man replied, ten years have passed since then are a lot..”

Full story To Vima online.

"He claimed that he had contacted the local police back then but there was no further investigation" - that has the ring of truth to it...

[kizzy]

Then surely based on your extensive knowledge of the witnesses you have been able to form a view as to their reliability or not?

The question is how reliable are they - IMO seems not very credible/reliable as witnesses when their evidence stands alone.

[Vertigo Swirl]

The question is how reliable are they - IMO seems not very credible/reliable as witnesses when their evidence stands alone.

That's your opinion.  Meanwhile others with perhaps better sources than yourself say

"The meeting between the British detectives and the German took place in Athens a couple of days  ago, the man reportedly gave critical information about the girl’s fate. He has been described as “important and trustworthy witness.” "
and
"The 46-year-old had reportedly given to Metropolitan Policed “voluntarily and without any financial or other consideration, information about the case that has been cross-checked” and “he is considered a reliable source.”"

[Mr Gray]

That's your opinion.  Meanwhile others with perhaps better sources than yourself say

"The meeting between the British detectives and the German took place in Athens a couple of days  ago, the man reportedly gave critical information about the girl’s fate. He has been described as “important and trustworthy witness.” "
and
"The 46-year-old had reportedly given to Metropolitan Policed “voluntarily and without any financial or other consideration, information about the case that has been cross-checked” and “he is considered a reliable source.”"

The whole point is according to HCW it doesn't stand alone

[Brietta]

"He claimed that he had contacted the local police back then but there was no further investigation" - that has the ring of truth to it...

Therefore not only did the Portuguese have witness information concerning Brueckner they had evidence supplied by the phone companies linking his phone made from Luz in the hours prior to Madeleine's disappearance.

How desperately sad is that but how unsurprising.

[kizzy]

The whole point is according to HCW it doesn't stand alone

Yes but that is only according to him... usually you are a stickler of evidence yet with wolt you take everything it seems as gospel ...without any evidence.

[Mr Gray]

Yes but that is only according to him... usually you are a stickler of evidence yet with wolt you take everything it seems as gospel ...without any evidence.

I've said before.. If the present Portuguese investigation said they had concrete evidence of the McCanns involvement I would find that significant and want to know what it was

[Vertigo Swirl]

Yes but that is only according to him... usually you are a stickler of evidence yet with wolt you take everything it seems as gospel ...without any evidence.

There's a difference between "take as gospel" and "accept the possibility that they have some significant evidence they haven't shared with the rest of the world yet".

[faithlilly]

https://www.keeptalkinggreece.com/2017/08/28/madeleine-mccann-greece/
August 28, 2017

Scotland Yard is looking for the secret of British toddler Madeleine McCann in Athens after a witness contacted the team Grange. A Greek newspaper revealed that a German citizen living in Athens contacted  “Team Grange” claiming he had information about the case as he was in nearby area when 3-year-old Madeleine disappeared from a hotel in Algarve Portugal  in 2007.

According to Sunday newspaper To Vima, the 46-year-old German citizen has already spoken with detectives of Scotland Yard’s “Grange”, a team established in 2011 and assigned with the Madeleine’s case.

The meeting between the British detectives and the German took place in Athens a couple of days  ago, the man reportedly gave critical information about the girl’s fate. He has been described as “important and trustworthy witness.”

(some text removed here as not relevant to witness)

cont...

New witness

Citing a memo prepared by the Greek Police on 18 July 2017, To Vima reports that the German national had contacted the Grange team last May the aim to help investigation. The Police memo was based on a briefing the Greek police representative in London had received by the Metropolitan Police of UK.

The 46-year-old had reportedly given to Metropolitan Policed “voluntarily and without any financial or other consideration, information about the case that has been cross-checked” and “he is considered a reliable source.”

Citing several police sources and documents, To Vima writes that the German national who has permanent residence in France was arrested in Igoumenista, North-West Greece, in 2011 for the transport of illegal migrants from Africa. A case was filed but he was set free. He was arrested again in Thessaloniki in 2015, when he returned to Greece for holidays. He was sentenced to seven years and five months imprisonment. He denied charges claiming he had helped the three hiking foreigners. He served his sentence in the prison of Chania, Crete, and from there he contacted the team Grange.

HE was released form prison a few weeks ago and he allegedly used a cell phone registered to a woman, national of a Balkan country, and resident of Agios Panteleimonas district of Athens.

The man had been banned from living the country pending 2nd degree trial scheduled for next month.

To Vima has reportedly contacted the man in the region of Fthiotida, Central Greece. He admitted to have talked with Scotland Yard detectives who had come to Athens in  order to talk with him.

“I give important information for the case. On the day Madeleine disappeared I was also in the particular province in Portugal, in a neighboring area,” the German national told the newspaper. He claimed that he had contacted the local police back then but there was no further investigation.

“Now there is keen interest from Scotland Yard for the information I have, however I am not allowed to say anything to anyone else.” the man said adding that his cooperation with British police will continue in the coming days.

To Vima-reporter’s question about Madeleine’s fate and if he thinks she was still alive, the man replied, ten years have passed since then are a lot..”

Full story To Vima online.

Thank you Misty but there is nothing in your article to disprove that Busching sat on information from Brueckner for nine years.

What it does prove is that Busching is a hardened criminal who has made money from desperate people’s misery.

Another point, it would appear as OG are still treating Madeleine as a missing person Busching hasn’t given them anything to covince them that she is dead, as Wolter claims.

[misty]

Thank you Misty but there is nothing in your article to disprove that Busching sat on information from Brueckner for nine years.

What it does prove is that Busching is a hardened criminal who has made money from desperate people’s misery.

Another point, it would appear as OG are still treating Madeleine as a missing person Busching hasn’t given them anything to covince them that she is dead, as Wolter claims.

SY don't have access to all the evidence BKA have gathered on Brueckner.
What possible trigger could there have been back in 2016/17 for Busching to suddenly want to discuss Brueckner with the Met. police? (Somewhere there is a report of a German using a false name contacting Greek police also wanting to discuss Brueckner in 2016)

[Vertigo Swirl]

Thank you Misty but there is nothing in your article to disprove that Busching sat on information from Brueckner for nine years.

What it does prove is that Busching is a hardened criminal who has made money from desperate people’s misery.

Another point, it would appear as OG are still treating Madeleine as a missing person Busching hasn’t given them anything to covince them that she is dead, as Wolter claims.

Am I the only person who finds it odd when sceptics (who are convinced Madeleine is dead because of the dog alerts) use this argument against HCW?

[faithlilly]

SY don't have access to all the evidence BKA have gathered on Brueckner.
What possible trigger could there have been back in 2016/17 for Busching to suddenly want to discuss Brueckner with the Met. police? (Somewhere there is a report of a German using a false name contacting Greek police also wanting to discuss Brueckner in 2016)

I’d be very surprised if BKA hadn’t shared the evidence that have lead them to believe that Madeleine is dead with SY. Surely when running a joint investigation that’s the first thing you’d do? What would be the reason not to? Do you think the German authorities are going to stand back and let SY conduct diligences which they have already performed?

If Busching had been caught trafficking there’s your motive right there. That he eventually was given nothing doesn’t change the fact that that possibly was his motivation.