What Evidence is There That There is Empathy for Brueckner on the Board?

[faithlilly]

Absolutely.

Innocent paedophiles are yet another victim of this case & it's continuous witch hunt & I feel no sense of shame in standing up for innocent paedophiles & their right to be presumed innocent.

Who’s Martin Brueckner?

[faithlilly]

I don't think there's any doubt CB has a history of child sex abuse and petty crime eg drug dealing and theft but I don't see the evidence linking him with MM's disappearance. 

I think it was quite underhanded of the authorities to reveal enough info about CB without divulging his name knowing the tabloids would out him.  By all accounts he was a drifter without any real friends and family and therefore the authhorities might have seen him as easy prey knowing noone was going to defend his corner.  Thank goodness for FF who I understand has received threats to his life for representing CB.

I don't have any empathy for CB but I do believe in the presumption of innocence and the right to a fair trial.

Which is only right and fair. Some however seem to think that that right should be reserved for the parents alone.

[Robittybob1]

Who’s Martin Brueckner?

Is there a reason you ask?

[Wonderfulspam]

Who’s Martin Brueckner?

Christian Ney....

[Robittybob1]

Christian Ney....

Is he related to Goncalo Wolters?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Absolutely.

Innocent paedophiles are yet another victim of this case & it's continuous witch hunt & I feel no sense of shame in standing up for innocent paedophiles & their right to be presumed innocent.

Thank you.

[G-Unit]

You have posted ~ "just hearsay and a phone ping" while you continue to post slurring the McCanns.

Isn't that expressing an opinion on the strength of the evidence against Brueckner? Nothing to do with his feelings, which is what empathy is concerned with.

A slur is "an insinuation or allegation about someone that is likely to insult them or damage their reputation." In other words, slander or libel. I can see no posts by Kizzy which fit that description.

[barrier]

I read somewhere that Amaral resigned so he could publish his book.  He talked of political interference in the way his investigation was going.

You'd think this point would have been made clear in his book, and I can't really recall if it was.  But the McCanns seemed to feel their reputation was damaged by the book.  I think it was too.

But I'm thinking of late that the McCanns and Amaral are really on the same side, they both wanted to find out what happened.

Wrong thread really but what is a reputation and how is it damaged in this case ?

[Holly Goodhead]

Which is only right and fair. Some however seem to think that that right should be reserved for the parents alone.

A lot of people seem to take the view if someone has a criminal history they're fair game.

[Robittybob1]

Wrong thread really but what is a reputation and how is it damaged in this case ?

Reputation:  There would be a legal definition of reputation.

How is it damaged:  when it published or said something which is negative as measured against reputation.  (reputation could go up or down or even remain the same.)

If the thing said is already known fact that would be neutral.  That might be why this new concept of "slur" is rather upsetting me. 

This seems to be the main argument against libelling C. Brueckner.  He already has little to no reputation so it is impossible to lower it further.

I'm not comfortable to think it works like this.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I don't think there's any doubt CB has a history of child sex abuse and petty crime eg drug dealing and theft but I don't see the evidence linking him with MM's disappearance. 

I think it was quite underhanded of the authorities to reveal enough info about CB without divulging his name knowing the tabloids would out him.  By all accounts he was a drifter without any real friends and family and therefore the authhorities might have seen him as easy prey knowing noone was going to defend his corner.  Thank goodness for FF who I understand has received threats to his life for representing CB.

I don't have any empathy for CB but I do believe in the presumption of innocence and the right to a fair trial.

what do you mean by “the authoritiies see him as easy prey”?

[barrier]

Reputation:  There would be a legal definition of reputation.

How is it damaged:  when it published or said something which is negative as measured against reputation.  (reputation could go up or down or even remain the same.)

If the thing said is already known fact that would be neutral.  That might be why this new concept of "slur" is rather upsetting me. 

This seems to be the main argument against libelling C. Brueckner.  He already has little to no reputation so it is impossible to lower it further.

I'm not comfortable to think it works like this.

Like I've said previously, what ever happens the legend that he did for Madeleine is writ, he'll be for ever mentioned if he's even not involved, the slur is established that circumstantial evidence links him, which Wolters doesn't mention does he ? All Wolters really mentioned is that they were seeking a caller  to a phone registered to him, and appeals about cars. Wolters says he has concrete evidence, the rest is made up of what that evidence is, is that a slur on his suspects character, mainly because of past discretions highlighted by the rabid british press. He's not of previous good character, ergo its him, yeah right.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Like I've said previously, what ever happens the legend that he did for Madeleine is writ, he'll be for ever mentioned if he's even not involved, the slur is established that circumstantial evidence links him, which Wolters doesn't mention does he ? All Wolters really mentioned is that they were seeking a caller  to a phone registered to him, and appeals about cars. Wolters says he has concrete evidence, the rest is made up of what that evidence is, is that a slur on his suspects character, mainly because of past discretions highlighted by the rabid british press. He's not of previous good character, ergo its him, yeah right.

“past discretions (sic)” - minimising serious crimes of rape and child abuse.

[Brietta]

I don't think there's any doubt CB has a history of child sex abuse and petty crime eg drug dealing and theft but I don't see the evidence linking him with MM's disappearance. 

I think it was quite underhanded of the authorities to reveal enough info about CB without divulging his name knowing the tabloids would out him.  By all accounts he was a drifter without any real friends and family and therefore the authhorities might have seen him as easy prey knowing noone was going to defend his corner.  Thank goodness for FF who I understand has received threats to his life for representing CB.

I don't have any empathy for CB but I do believe in the presumption of innocence and the right to a fair trial.

Amaral is entirely responsible for Brueckner's name ending up in the public domain whether that was down to empathy or expediency his leaking fingerprints are all over it which was celebrated along with those who welcomed his interference in the German investigation into Madeleine's case.

[Brietta]

Isn't that expressing an opinion on the strength of the evidence against Brueckner? Nothing to do with his feelings, which is what empathy is concerned with.

A slur is "an insinuation or allegation about someone that is likely to insult them or damage their reputation." In other words, slander or libel. I can see no posts by Kizzy which fit that description.

In my opinion many of the expressions of "opinion on the strength of the evidence" amount to empathising with the prime suspect and none has been more vigorously challenged than the evidence in the PJ files and the ping from Brueckner's phone.

In my opinion there is a high probability that there may be a dearth of slurs aimed at innocent people remaining on the threads because they have been removed as per forum rules.