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C.Edwards

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Re: Madeleine McCann - The request for satellite imagery
« Reply #30 on: April 09, 2013, 10:03:36 AM »
You obviously enjoy perpetuating the myth that the satellites see everything that is beneath them and in fine detail.  Afraid atmospherics in most cases only allows so much detail to be seen from such a great height regardless of the lens being used.  You shouldn't believe all you see in James Bond movies.    @)(++(*   8(0(*

OK, so my 4 years working as a software developer for a large defence contractor in the late 90s which specialised in satellite imaging conferred upon me nowhere near the understanding that you have for the science behind this?  Oh, I forgot, you're the one who knows more about dog handling than Grime too, aren't you?  You're a talented person.

Offline Angelo222

Re: Madeleine McCann - The request for satellite imagery
« Reply #31 on: April 09, 2013, 10:38:21 AM »
To be of any use the satellite camera would have to have been zoomed in on PDL.  Even if one of the military satellites just happened to be over southern Portugal at the time that Madeleine was abducted there was no reason for it to to recording images in that particular area.  Amaral's suggestion therefore that a satellite would be of any use to the investigation is just pie in the sky.

No, the satellites don't need to be "zoomed in".  We're not in 1980 anymore.

Afraid you've been watching too much science fiction on the box.  The cameras have to be trained on a selected area to get anything of consequence.  The suggestion that they can read car number plates is preposterous.
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

debunker

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Re: Madeleine McCann - The request for satellite imagery
« Reply #32 on: April 09, 2013, 11:02:37 AM »
To be of any use the satellite camera would have to have been zoomed in on PDL.  Even if one of the military satellites just happened to be over southern Portugal at the time that Madeleine was abducted there was no reason for it to to recording images in that particular area.  Amaral's suggestion therefore that a satellite would be of any use to the investigation is just pie in the sky.

No, the satellites don't need to be "zoomed in".  We're not in 1980 anymore.

Afraid you've been watching too much science fiction on the box.  The cameras have to be trained on a selected area to get anything of
consequence.  The suggestion that they can read car number plates is preposterous.

Against the flow, geostationary satellites used for mapping and telecommunications cannot read number plates, but low orbit directable satellites are much better in ideal conditions.

Offline gilet

Re: Madeleine McCann - The request for satellite imagery
« Reply #33 on: April 09, 2013, 02:23:52 PM »
The point which matters about the satellite imagery in this particular case is not so much their accuracy but the fact that having been told that the satellites images were not available in 2009, Amaral suddenly a year later knows that  they are available but being hidden behind some secret conspiracy which only Julian Assange can break.

In conjunction with buying into Amaral's belief that these images might pinpoint an individual we are also asked to believe that some massive state secret which clearly must cover the US as well as the UK is hiding these images from the Portuguese authorities and only Wikileaks can come to the rescue. 

Well, having been asked to believe it, I for one decline the invitation.

Offline Angelo222

Re: Madeleine McCann - The request for satellite imagery
« Reply #34 on: April 09, 2013, 02:34:04 PM »
In my opinion Amaral was looking for another excuse, a scapegoat and somebody else to blame.  He has quite a track record for doing this apparently.
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline Carana

Re: Madeleine McCann - The request for satellite imagery
« Reply #35 on: April 09, 2013, 03:30:44 PM »
Did he actually request images? If so, who from?

Offline gilet

Re: Madeleine McCann - The request for satellite imagery
« Reply #36 on: April 09, 2013, 11:42:39 PM »
Did he actually request images? If so, who from?

Definitely not while a copper. Nothing in the files.
Probably didn't know Wikileak address.

Surprised he hasn't been on the phone to Julian now he knows where he is though. He could have nipped over and had a game of cards, awfully boring staying in all the time. That way the ace wouldn't have gone to waste.

Offline Luz

Re: Madeleine McCann - The request for satellite imagery
« Reply #37 on: April 10, 2013, 05:02:21 PM »
The files only contain the information that will not compromise the prosecution of a future investigation.

Actually the satellite surveillance is much more powerful that any one of us could believe. The US has been using it,  for instance, on people whose houses went into foreclosure, traffic, etc.

If you check how much you can see through google earth, imagine what the CIA or the Feds are getting.

debunker

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Re: Madeleine McCann - The request for satellite imagery
« Reply #38 on: April 10, 2013, 05:33:37 PM »
The files only contain the information that will not compromise the prosecution of a future investigation.

Actually the satellite surveillance is much more powerful that any one of us could believe. The US has been using it,  for instance, on people whose houses went into foreclosure, traffic, etc.

If you check how much you can see through google earth, imagine what the CIA or the Feds are getting.

Grasping at straws.

I rely on belief in the Magic Blue Unicorn knowing.

Unsupported claims are not respectable and make you look desperate.

Offline gilet

Re: Madeleine McCann - The request for satellite imagery
« Reply #39 on: April 17, 2013, 11:28:30 PM »
It does make me laugh how you lot think that every operational bit of knowledge is released in either the media or police interviews. You obviously have no knowledge of the level of monitoring equipment on the American spy satellites which can, indeed, read the headlines of newspapers on the ground as long as there is good lighting and clear conditions.  Obviously at 10pm on a May night they'd have been less useful but may have revealed information about the movements of the relevant players during the day.  There isn't just one satellite that pootles about the sky taking snapshots of whatever falls beneath it.

Anyhow, irrelevant now anyway.  It is an education to see the way you all circle jerk yourselves into a frenzy, it's like watching a pair of grannies discussing tabloid headlines at a bingo evening.

"Ooh Mavis, look - that Jordan has got married again"
"Ooh I know, they say she has basketballs implanted now!"
"Well I never. I must tell the grandchildren"

etc. and so are pro myths born.

It is fascinating in light of the pinpoint accuracy that you claim for these satellites that there has been no arrest over the Boston bombing yet. Big US city, Patriots Day, lots going on but no satellites to pick up the little details that truly matter to the Americans like the bomber or his car. 

If they cannot manage that then I really do think it is pushing luck a bit to have had such fine detail satellites pointing at PDL on a May night six years ago.

But then again you are the confirmed expert on these things (I think you worked on a super secret project or something twenty years ago) so perhaps you can explain why the FBI etc are running round like the proverbial headless chickens over this case.

And while we are at it, just how many abductions, murders, etc have been solved in the US or anywhere else with the assistance of these super dooper satellite pictures which are so abundantly available for the purpose?


registrar

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Re: Madeleine McCann - The request for satellite imagery
« Reply #40 on: April 17, 2013, 11:41:08 PM »
It does make me laugh how you lot think that every operational bit of knowledge is released in either the media or police interviews. You obviously have no knowledge of the level of monitoring equipment on the American spy satellites which can, indeed, read the headlines of newspapers on the ground as long as there is good lighting and clear conditions.  Obviously at 10pm on a May night they'd have been less useful but may have revealed information about the movements of the relevant players during the day.  There isn't just one satellite that pootles about the sky taking snapshots of whatever falls beneath it.

Anyhow, irrelevant now anyway.  It is an education to see the way you all circle jerk yourselves into a frenzy, it's like watching a pair of grannies discussing tabloid headlines at a bingo evening.

"Ooh Mavis, look - that Jordan has got married again"
"Ooh I know, they say she has basketballs implanted now!"
"Well I never. I must tell the grandchildren"

etc. and so are pro myths born.

It is fascinating in light of the pinpoint accuracy that you claim for these satellites that there has been no arrest over the Boston bombing yet. Big US city, Patriots Day, lots going on but no satellites to pick up the little details that truly matter to the Americans like the bomber or his car. 

If they cannot manage that then I really do think it is pushing luck a bit to have had such fine detail satellites pointing at PDL on a May night six years ago.

But then again you are the confirmed expert on these things (I think you worked on a super secret project or something twenty years ago) so perhaps you can explain why the FBI etc are running round like the proverbial headless chickens over this case.

And while we are at it, just how many abductions, murders, etc have been solved in the US or anywhere else with the assistance of these super dooper satellite pictures which are so abundantly available for the purpose?

spot - bloody -on

guess Amaral watched 'Star Wars' after 2 bottles of vino

and before he thought to get shaved and dressed the next day to do a 'bit of work' on the abduction of a child

excuse for a man

Offline Puffin

Re: Madeleine McCann - The request for satellite imagery
« Reply #41 on: April 18, 2013, 12:56:10 PM »
The Portuguese Police took so long to respond to this incident, can you even begin to see them getting assistance from NASA?   @)(++(*

I didn't think NASA had a time machine?  Maybe another myth?   8(0(*
Yes, a myth and not a very good one either.  Why would a satellite be trained on Portugal, a small, insignificant place on a par with, say, Slovakia or Bulgaria in that it has no strategic value especially in the military sense (which is what many satellites are used for) be the subject of any surveillance?  I am not denigrating Portugal, merely pointing out its position in such matters.  If there was actually one over Portugal it could possibly have been a weather satellite in which case it was most likely not looking for people behaving strangely but for an errant thunderstorm or even a tornado.
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Offline Carana

Re: Madeleine McCann - The request for satellite imagery
« Reply #42 on: April 18, 2013, 03:03:09 PM »
It would seem logical that US military satellites would have been observing the North African coast at the time. However, I don't understand the implication of "deviated" - from where? Pdl?

ETA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Casablanca_bombings
« Last Edit: April 18, 2013, 03:04:55 PM by Carana »

Redblossom

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Re: Madeleine McCann - The request for satellite imagery
« Reply #43 on: April 18, 2013, 10:00:21 PM »

Offline gilet

Re: Madeleine McCann - The request for satellite imagery
« Reply #44 on: April 19, 2013, 01:34:09 PM »
Seems the British Government made some comments on this story

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/134657/SATELLITE-CLUE-TO-MADDIE-KIDNAP

And comment from a tabloid watching site

http://www.anorak.co.uk/227802/madeleine-mccann/madeleine-mccann-alan-johnson-satellite-images-and-barack-obama.html/

Obviously just gas

A great shame then, considering there was no substance to it, that Amaral set such a lot of importance on it.