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Offline faithlilly

Re: Channel Five documentary - "Murder in a Small Town"
« Reply #585 on: April 10, 2021, 11:54:45 PM »
On Sandras live chat on Sunday I’m sure she said behind the v in the wall was a place where one of the moped boys sold drugs to locals, anyone know if that’s right?

There appears to have been a den not far from the murder site that the local youngsters, including [Name removed] and [Name removed], used to smoke cannabis. The fact that Jodi smoked cannabis up to a couple of hours before she was murdered is also interesting.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Parky41

Re: Channel Five documentary - "Murder in a Small Town"
« Reply #586 on: April 11, 2021, 01:09:35 AM »
On Sandras live chat on Sunday I’m sure she said behind the v in the wall was a place where one of the moped boys sold drugs to locals, anyone know if that’s right?

Gossip or a secret source? What we do know for certainty though, it was a woodland that LM hung out in, he was friends with these boys. Has Luke said to Ms Lean that he bought drugs from them at any time whilst meeting with them in the woods?
Ms Lean has also made claim to the boys having a gang hut 'close' to where Jodi was found, did this information also come from LM? A gang hut that they kept these drugs in? - really? An area of woodland frequented by youngsters, a place claimed to be known for these boys selling drugs, and we are to believe they kept these drugs in this gang hut? Are these theories similar to that of the 'mechanic?'

Mention above of the condom, the wrapper also in one of the vlogs. It is a stretch of woodland that Jodi and Luke frequented. Next to a high school, youngsters will be youngsters?  Which of course tells you, that there must be many places out of view, spots known to someone?, who we know, definitely frequented this woodland. Was the spot where Jodi was found one of their spots, out of prying eyes? Perhaps they used this gang hut?

Of the V - the lengths required to add weight to air,  LM's denial and of JaJ witnessing LM turn immediately left.

LM denied knowing of the existence of this V break in the wall until the night of the 30th of June. Let us think about that.

LM frequently used this path, not only the route used to walk to his mothers work at Scots Caravans at the bottom of Mayfield. He walked this route many times with Jodi Jones - you can not fail to notice the V when walking this path. The videos are proof of this. One of these vloggers, also stated that "you can not fail to miss this V"
Ms Lean backs up LM's claim by implying that she had difficulty finding/seeing this V the first time. - Really?

PC and FS - the base of the V is waist height, around 4ft - Ms Lean, it is 6ft and JaJ just over 5ft?

Of these claims that a motorist from Basically Tool Hire stated that they had seen this bike, riderless at this V at 5.15pm.

Simply not true, is it. - You can not see this V from any road. It is however unsurprising that they did not see the boys or thought the bike to be at stand still - They were driving, looking across an expansive field. The wall is barely visible.
Even less likely that they would have heard anything from the woodland after LK. Is LM deaf that he did not hear this bike? or the boys with whom he was friends. Has LM said to anyone he heard the boys and bike?  Also Ms Leans claim, of this V being difficult to see/find?

These young boys - Have never admitted to their bike being up against this wall, far less at the V.

It is of course, more than feasible to discount LM as being the killer, due to lack of DNA (outwith that law of averages) but this point blank refusal to discount this duo when there was, most definitely, no DNA of theirs. Far easier to believe, that two young teenage boys managed this somehow, double the DNA, as opposed to one young teenage boy who was meeting with his girlfriend that evening. That she died in a woodland that they frequented. This young courting couple. Did they enter this woodland, initially to have a 'smoke'? We know LM was with the boys in the abbey smoking, was not tested for having cannabis in his system that night, but what did the boys in the abbey say about smoking?

Can anyone help clarify one of these theories by CM? - That one of these boys cut off his hair to look like another boy, that it was not GD and JF on the bike at all, Ms Lean 'one of the boys gave a wrong description of themselves??' Surely therefore, there is no point discussing this duo on the bike as being them, as it wasn't really them anyway??

Should DF have asked, instead - Did the person you were impersonating kill Jodi Jones?

Offline WakeyWakey

Re: Channel Five documentary - "Murder in a Small Town"
« Reply #587 on: April 11, 2021, 01:35:04 AM »
LM denied knowing of the existence of this V break in the wall until the night of the 30th of June. Let us think about that.

LM frequently used this path, not only the route used to walk to his mothers work at Scots Caravans at the bottom of Mayfield. He walked this route many times with Jodi Jones - you can not fail to notice the V when walking this path. The videos are proof of this. One of these vloggers, also stated that "you can not fail to miss this V"

Not only did LM deny knowing about the V, he denied that over the wall was a locale he frequented. The prosecution was able to demonstrate otherwise

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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Channel Five documentary - "Murder in a Small Town"
« Reply #588 on: April 11, 2021, 11:00:30 AM »
If it was Luke I’ve always thought he could easily have dumped both the parka and the knife in any bin on his way home, the bins were emptied the following day and bin lorries never checked.

But the question is did he own a parka before. Eyewitnesses say yes but IMO they could be mistaken. If someone had a photo or cctv or something to prove he had a parka then that would be enough to convince me and most others who are not sure, that he is guilty. Did the police check cctv from shops in the area etc to find a picture of Luke in his parka before the murder, how much went into the search for the coat? I’m just not convinced there was a parka, so reasonable doubt for me on that.

Missing knife, I will need to check the book to see what was said on that, from what I remember, I’m sure someone will be quick to correct me if I’m wrong, the knife missing from the pouch that had the writing on it, the knife would be too small to be the murder weapon. Another knife that was meant to a missing knife, was found by Luke’s mum and handed to the lawyer who gave it to the police so no longer missing.

I thought the missing knife and parka were central to the proseuction case but it seems not. 

I also thought the knife looked too small and it seems the damning evidence here is the inscription found on the case.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline faithlilly

Re: Channel Five documentary - "Murder in a Small Town"
« Reply #589 on: April 11, 2021, 12:11:13 PM »
Not only did LM deny knowing about the V, he denied that over the wall was a locale he frequented. The prosecution was able to demonstrate otherwise

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Did the prosecution demonstrate when the carving was done, pre or post Jodi’s murder and by whom, Jodi or Luke?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Channel Five documentary - "Murder in a Small Town"
« Reply #590 on: April 11, 2021, 01:34:15 PM »
SL made the point in the docu that Dalkeith is a quiet place but it is very close to major trunk roads: A1, A7 and A68. 

There are two hotels situated on the A7: Premier Inn and Sun Inn and a train station at Eskbank.

All the names bandied about in this case are locals.  What's to suggest, if LM is innocent, that the perp was someone from further afield given the close proximity to major trunk roads and a train station?
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Channel Five documentary - "Murder in a Small Town"
« Reply #591 on: April 11, 2021, 01:46:33 PM »
There's also the Newbattle golf course and the River South Esk (fishing) so plenty of local attractions to attract outsiders to the area.  "Murder in a Small Town" doesn't necessarily mean the perp was from the same small town especially given the close proximity of major roads and local attractions.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline faithlilly

Re: Channel Five documentary - "Murder in a Small Town"
« Reply #592 on: April 11, 2021, 04:39:51 PM »
Gossip or a secret source? What we do know for certainty though, it was a woodland that LM hung out in, he was friends with these boys. Has Luke said to Ms Lean that he bought drugs from them at any time whilst meeting with them in the woods?

Has she?

Ms Lean has also made claim to the boys having a gang hut 'close' to where Jodi was found, did this information also come from LM? A gang hut that they kept these drugs in? - really? An area of woodland frequented by youngsters, a place claimed to be known for these boys selling drugs, and we are to believe they kept these drugs in this gang hut? Are these theories similar to that of the 'mechanic?'

Is there any evidence that anyone said that cannabis was kept in the hut or that it was simply used to sell and smoke drugs?

Mention above of the condom, the wrapper also in one of the vlogs. It is a stretch of woodland that Jodi and Luke frequented. Next to a high school, youngsters will be youngsters?  Which of course tells you, that there must be many places out of view, spots known to someone?, who we know, definitely frequented this woodland. Was the spot where Jodi was found one of their spots, out of prying eyes? Perhaps they used this gang hut?

Is there any evidence of any of the above?

Of the V - the lengths required to add weight to air,  LM's denial and of JaJ witnessing LM turn immediately left.

Mia directed Luke to the left. He would have been a fool to go any other way. SK and AW also went to the left.

LM denied knowing of the existence of this V break in the wall until the night of the 30th of June. Let us think about that.

LM frequently used this path, not only the route used to walk to his mothers work at Scots Caravans at the bottom of Mayfield. He walked this route many times with Jodi Jones - you can not fail to notice the V when walking this path. The videos are proof of this. One of these vloggers, also stated that "you can not fail to miss this V"
Ms Lean backs up LM's claim by implying that she had difficulty finding/seeing this V the first time. - Really?

Didn’t JaJ deny knowing that the path to Newbattle existed before that night?

PC and FS - the base of the V is waist height, around 4ft - Ms Lean, it is 6ft and JaJ just over 5ft?

Of these claims that a motorist from Basically Tool Hire stated that they had seen this bike, riderless at this V at 5.15pm.

Simply not true, is it. - You can not see this V from any road. It is however unsurprising that they did not see the boys or thought the bike to be at stand still - They were driving, looking across an expansive field. The wall is barely visible.
Even less likely that they would have heard anything from the woodland after LK. Is LM deaf that he did not hear this bike? or the boys with whom he was friends. Has LM said to anyone he heard the boys and bike?  Also Ms Leans claim, of this V being difficult to see/find?

These young boys - Have never admitted to their bike being up against this wall, far less at the V.

I believe that the bike wasn’t working so where would the noise have come from? Further are you saying that the employees from Basically Tool Hire gave false statements?

It is of course, more than feasible to discount LM as being the killer, due to lack of DNA (outwith that law of averages) but this point blank refusal to discount this duo when there was, most definitely, no DNA of theirs. Far easier to believe, that two young teenage boys managed this somehow, double the DNA, as opposed to one young teenage boy who was meeting with his girlfriend that evening. That she died in a woodland that they frequented. This young courting couple. Did they enter this woodland, initially to have a 'smoke'? We know LM was with the boys in the abbey smoking, was not tested for having cannabis in his system that night, but what did the boys in the abbey say about smoking?

You tell us.

Can anyone help clarify one of these theories by CM? - That one of these boys cut off his hair to look like another boy, that it was not GD and JF on the bike at all, Ms Lean 'one of the boys gave a wrong description of themselves??' Surely therefore, there is no point discussing this duo on the bike as being them, as it wasn't really them anyway??

Who needs theories when we have facts. The boys failed to come forward in the first instance even though they must have known that they were on the path at the time Jodi was murdered and it took an appeal from the police for them to eventually come forward. JF cut of his very distinctive hair after the murder and made such a bad job of it that it had to be cut professionally soon after. JF has been ostracised by the Jones family in the years after Jodi’s murder. There are other coincidences but I think that that’s enough to be going on with.

Should DF have asked, instead - Did the person you were impersonating kill Jodi Jones?
« Last Edit: April 11, 2021, 04:55:15 PM by faithlilly »
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Channel Five documentary - "Murder in a Small Town"
« Reply #593 on: April 11, 2021, 08:09:04 PM »
Based on the first WS's provided by the grandmother, sister and sister's boyfriend it was LM's dog that drew attention to the soc as opposed to LM? 

Untrained dogs will scent out blood and a decomposing body.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline WakeyWakey

Re: Channel Five documentary - "Murder in a Small Town"
« Reply #594 on: April 11, 2021, 08:14:03 PM »

There are two hotels situated on the A7: Premier Inn and Sun Inn and a train station at Eskbank.

All the names bandied about in this case are locals.  What's to suggest, if LM is innocent, that the perp was someone from further afield given the close proximity to major trunk roads and a train station?

Train station didn't exist in 2003. Borders railway was only brought back in the last few years

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Re: Channel Five documentary - "Murder in a Small Town"
« Reply #595 on: April 11, 2021, 10:03:57 PM »
Based on the first WS's provided by the grandmother, sister and sister's boyfriend it was LM's dog that drew attention to the soc as opposed to LM? 

Untrained dogs will scent out blood and a decomposing body.


Luke's dog was being trained as a tracker dog, apparently.

Offline Parky41

Re: Channel Five documentary - "Murder in a Small Town"
« Reply #596 on: April 12, 2021, 12:26:28 PM »

Thank you for answering my question, Parky.

I do look at other forums.  I find them interesting, as I do this one, but I suspect that some people on them have an agenda of their own:  either they are "pro Luke campaigners", or they are locals who are on the side of the Jones family. One never knows.  Some might even be family members from one side or the other, with their own biased views.

It's hard to believe a 14 year old carried out such a brutal murder on his girlfriend----------.


It is extremely hard to digest that anyone so young is capable of such brutality.

Surely the only sides are, that of Luke Mitchell V Her Majesty's Advocate.

The Jones family - Lost Jodi, she was murdered. The Mitchells - Luke was found guilty of this murder. They are not the same, where did this split begin that sought to make them so? Here I will mention Ms Lean, yet again.

I make no bones over Ms Lean, that is apparent, as it is with others over time on these forums. Of her manipulation of evidence, the additions and tall tales. Which for me highlights, the strength of the reasoning behind these attempts to show that of the evidence against LM to be Incorrect. That one's attention has to be drawn away from the facts and into fiction. But where did this case of LM V HMA morph into LM V these others? primarily the Jones family? Did this not stem from Ms Lean? Of "Why were these two families treated differently?" From a time, long before this case came to court. Of those days of attention and focus on LM. Why the Mitchells and not the Jones's? Of course, the simplest, obvious reason is that of suspicion. Therefore should the question, primarily not have been, what kept suspicion upon LM?

And she does focus on this but introduces many new ideas to these discussions, from those early days of 'Jigsawman' of "But what if I were to tell you?" - That power of suggestion? backed with, I have "all" the evidence. But this came long before having this claim to "all" the evidence did it not? Both Colin Bowman and Frontline Scotland using much of Ms Leans work to highlight and discuss this case, from those days of research and of writing "No Smoke"

And she is brought into discussion consistently as she enters these very discussions herself, has done from the beginning. With these very claims. Which in turn morphs LM V HMA into SL V 'others? It is no longer the defence from the trial that is primarily used but that of these books and so forth - heavily laden with this very bias. Is not the counteraction to this, that mainly of the Crown, of the evidence used? The agenda by posters to simply call out on this misinformation?

Truth be told - There is far more to this case than that of being different, a 'goth' of being 'picked upon' because he was different. Of carrying knives, two timing and smoking cannabis or urinating in bottles, these are mocked to simplify the case against LM. Used for distraction purpose. There is sound reason and evidence stacked against LM. The most fairest point in all of this is that Q? Was there enough evidence to show proof 'beyond reasonable doubt' But many come to the conclusion of no without actually looking at the case in detail. Declare innocence instead, whilst there is most definitely no proof beyond reasonable doubt of this? - And move onto trying others instead? Are they not confused with the confusion that is spread?

You can't take one or two areas of information, of multiple people and add them together to = one LM? To this "compelling story" against him?

The duo were on the path, they lied, MK wore a Parka, he had a scratch, Jaf left a condom with DNA he stood over the body?! SK had no alibi, [Name removed], his parents left him alone for a short while therefore no alibi. They all have history of some format or other, and? - Why were they eliminated? that is the sensible question is it not?

Perhaps the biggest misleading piece of information in all of this is - "they were never investigated"

A 14 year old boy, as you rightly point out. This factor alone brings about disbelief. A horrific attack on a 14 year old girl. The police. - Is it not foolish to claim that anyone was simply not investigated, that LM was simply chosen because he was different? Or because one police officer out of three 'may' have noted "with the boyfriend" Why is either side of this verbatim extract missing? Why is either side of SK's statement of "the dogs head being level with the V" missing? For that matter, why any of it? The reason is simple, is it not - it would not fit the narrative given around it. The bias.

To claim - That all of this search party were in agreement with LM that it was Mia who found Jodi. I have found nothing in this research to show this to be the case, more so, do we not go on the simple basis, first and foremost that if this were indeed the case, why were the police suspicious? Surely there is no 'self interest' (Colin Bowman) from this search party at all, if they all agreed with LM from the very beginning? That common sense does tell us, simply that there had to have been substantial difference in those statements for suspicion to stay/remain upon LM. Time being prominent, of scaling the wall at the 'Gino' break. That none of the search party had walked past this V.

That is why I chose my question "Why did suspicion fall upon Luke Mitchell?" Why were these 'others' eliminated, why did he remain at the fore, this 14 year old boy. For I took the stance two years ago of discounting first and foremost, that the police, in such a brutal murder case, kept Luke Mitchell in the loop, rather than Luke Mitchell keeping himself in the loop?

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Re: Channel Five documentary - "Murder in a Small Town"
« Reply #597 on: April 12, 2021, 12:35:49 PM »

It is extremely hard to digest that anyone so young is capable of such brutality.

Surely the only sides are, that of Luke Mitchell V Her Majesty's Advocate.

The Jones family - Lost Jodi, she was murdered. The Mitchells - Luke was found guilty of this murder. They are not the same, where did this split begin that sought to make them so? Here I will mention Ms Lean, yet again.

I make no bones over Ms Lean, that is apparent, as it is with others over time on these forums. Of her manipulation of evidence, the additions and tall tales. Which for me highlights, the strength of the reasoning behind these attempts to show that of the evidence against LM to be Incorrect. That one's attention has to be drawn away from the facts and into fiction. But where did this case of LM V HMA morph into LM V these others? primarily the Jones family? Did this not stem from Ms Lean? Of "Why were these two families treated differently?" From a time, long before this case came to court. Of those days of attention and focus on LM. Why the Mitchells and not the Jones's? Of course, the simplest, obvious reason is that of suspicion. Therefore should the question, primarily not have been, what kept suspicion upon LM?

And she does focus on this but introduces many new ideas to these discussions, from those early days of 'Jigsawman' of "But what if I were to tell you?" - That power of suggestion? backed with, I have "all" the evidence. But this came long before having this claim to "all" the evidence did it not? Both Colin Bowman and Frontline Scotland using much of Ms Leans work to highlight and discuss this case, from those days of research and of writing "No Smoke"

And she is brought into discussion consistently as she enters these very discussions herself, has done from the beginning. With these very claims. Which in turn morphs LM V HMA into SL V 'others? It is no longer the defence from the trial that is primarily used but that of these books and so forth - heavily laden with this very bias. Is not the counteraction to this, that mainly of the Crown, of the evidence used? The agenda by posters to simply call out on this misinformation?

Truth be told - There is far more to this case than that of being different, a 'goth' of being 'picked upon' because he was different. Of carrying knives, two timing and smoking cannabis or urinating in bottles, these are mocked to simplify the case against LM. Used for distraction purpose. There is sound reason and evidence stacked against LM. The most fairest point in all of this is that Q? Was there enough evidence to show proof 'beyond reasonable doubt' But many come to the conclusion of no without actually looking at the case in detail. Declare innocence instead, whilst there is most definitely no proof beyond reasonable doubt of this? - And move onto trying others instead? Are they not confused with the confusion that is spread?

You can't take one or two areas of information, of multiple people and add them together to = one LM? To this "compelling story" against him?

The duo were on the path, they lied, MK wore a Parka, he had a scratch, Jaf left a condom with DNA he stood over the body?! SK had no alibi, [Name removed], his parents left him alone for a short while therefore no alibi. They all have history of some format or other, and? - Why were they eliminated? that is the sensible question is it not?

Perhaps the biggest misleading piece of information in all of this is - "they were never investigated"

A 14 year old boy, as you rightly point out. This factor alone brings about disbelief. A horrific attack on a 14 year old girl. The police. - Is it not foolish to claim that anyone was simply not investigated, that LM was simply chosen because he was different? Or because one police officer out of three 'may' have noted "with the boyfriend" Why is either side of this verbatim extract missing? Why is either side of SK's statement of "the dogs head being level with the V" missing? For that matter, why any of it? The reason is simple, is it not - it would not fit the narrative given around it. The bias.

To claim - That all of this search party were in agreement with LM that it was Mia who found Jodi. I have found nothing in this research to show this to be the case, more so, do we not go on the simple basis, first and foremost that if this were indeed the case, why were the police suspicious? Surely there is no 'self interest' (Colin Bowman) from this search party at all, if they all agreed with LM from the very beginning? That common sense does tell us, simply that there had to have been substantial difference in those statements for suspicion to stay/remain upon LM. Time being prominent, of scaling the wall at the 'Gino' break. That none of the search party had walked past this V.

That is why I chose my question "Why did suspicion fall upon Luke Mitchell?" Why were these 'others' eliminated, why did he remain at the fore, this 14 year old boy. For I took the stance two years ago of discounting first and foremost, that the police, in such a brutal murder case, kept Luke Mitchell in the loop, rather than Luke Mitchell keeping himself in the loop?

So, when and why do you think suspicion fell upon Luke Mitchell ?

As a matter of interest, did you attend the trial?

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Re: Channel Five documentary - "Murder in a Small Town"
« Reply #598 on: April 12, 2021, 01:01:24 PM »

It is extremely hard to digest that anyone so young is capable of such brutality.

Surely the only sides are, that of Luke Mitchell V Her Majesty's Advocate.

The Jones family - Lost Jodi, she was murdered. The Mitchells - Luke was found guilty of this murder. They are not the same, where did this split begin that sought to make them so? Here I will mention Ms Lean, yet again.

I make no bones over Ms Lean, that is apparent, as it is with others over time on these forums. Of her manipulation of evidence, the additions and tall tales. Which for me highlights, the strength of the reasoning behind these attempts to show that of the evidence against LM to be Incorrect. That one's attention has to be drawn away from the facts and into fiction. But where did this case of LM V HMA morph into LM V these others? primarily the Jones family? Did this not stem from Ms Lean? Of "Why were these two families treated differently?" From a time, long before this case came to court. Of those days of attention and focus on LM. Why the Mitchells and not the Jones's? Of course, the simplest, obvious reason is that of suspicion. Therefore should the question, primarily not have been, what kept suspicion upon LM?

And she does focus on this but introduces many new ideas to these discussions, from those early days of 'Jigsawman' of "But what if I were to tell you?" - That power of suggestion? backed with, I have "all" the evidence. But this came long before having this claim to "all" the evidence did it not? Both Colin Bowman and Frontline Scotland using much of Ms Leans work to highlight and discuss this case, from those days of research and of writing "No Smoke"

And she is brought into discussion consistently as she enters these very discussions herself, has done from the beginning. With these very claims. Which in turn morphs LM V HMA into SL V 'others? It is no longer the defence from the trial that is primarily used but that of these books and so forth - heavily laden with this very bias. Is not the counteraction to this, that mainly of the Crown, of the evidence used? The agenda by posters to simply call out on this misinformation?

Truth be told - There is far more to this case than that of being different, a 'goth' of being 'picked upon' because he was different. Of carrying knives, two timing and smoking cannabis or urinating in bottles, these are mocked to simplify the case against LM. Used for distraction purpose. There is sound reason and evidence stacked against LM. The most fairest point in all of this is that Q? Was there enough evidence to show proof 'beyond reasonable doubt' But many come to the conclusion of no without actually looking at the case in detail. Declare innocence instead, whilst there is most definitely no proof beyond reasonable doubt of this? - And move onto trying others instead? Are they not confused with the confusion that is spread?

You can't take one or two areas of information, of multiple people and add them together to = one LM? To this "compelling story" against him?

The duo were on the path, they lied, MK wore a Parka, he had a scratch, Jaf left a condom with DNA he stood over the body?! SK had no alibi, [Name removed], his parents left him alone for a short while therefore no alibi. They all have history of some format or other, and? - Why were they eliminated? that is the sensible question is it not?

Perhaps the biggest misleading piece of information in all of this is - "they were never investigated"

A 14 year old boy, as you rightly point out. This factor alone brings about disbelief. A horrific attack on a 14 year old girl. The police. - Is it not foolish to claim that anyone was simply not investigated, that LM was simply chosen because he was different? Or because one police officer out of three 'may' have noted "with the boyfriend" Why is either side of this verbatim extract missing? Why is either side of SK's statement of "the dogs head being level with the V" missing? For that matter, why any of it? The reason is simple, is it not - it would not fit the narrative given around it. The bias.

To claim - That all of this search party were in agreement with LM that it was Mia who found Jodi. I have found nothing in this research to show this to be the case, more so, do we not go on the simple basis, first and foremost that if this were indeed the case, why were the police suspicious? Surely there is no 'self interest' (Colin Bowman) from this search party at all, if they all agreed with LM from the very beginning? That common sense does tell us, simply that there had to have been substantial difference in those statements for suspicion to stay/remain upon LM. Time being prominent, of scaling the wall at the 'Gino' break. That none of the search party had walked past this V.

That is why I chose my question "Why did suspicion fall upon Luke Mitchell?" Why were these 'others' eliminated, why did he remain at the fore, this 14 year old boy. For I took the stance two years ago of discounting first and foremost, that the police, in such a brutal murder case, kept Luke Mitchell in the loop, rather than Luke Mitchell keeping himself in the loop?

My, my you’re keen...your effort is to be commended. Your arrogance however is not.

Luke, long before a single word in a single statement had been written was treated differently from the rest of the search team. That is simply an undeniable truth.

Take AB’s sighting.

AB contacted the police on the first of July and over the next days gave statements that described a man and woman wearing demonstrably different clothes to Jodi and Luke and at a time, which according to the police, Jodi had already been murdered. It would appear that the sighting had been ruled out in the first instance as there was no appeal for the couple to come forward and be eliminated or portrayal of the couple during the reconstruction of Jodi’s last movements on the 7th of July or indeed collection of CCTV from Scotmid to confirm AB’s timings  and it was not until the 14th of August, a full six weeks after the murder, that AB was asked to pick who she saw out of a set of photographs.

The police had not one scintilla of evidence connecting Luke to the murder at that point other than that he was the deceased boyfriend but from the very first moments after finding the body a decision had been made and the police had invested too much in Luke as perpetrator to change direction then. AB’s sighting therefore had to be given elevated importance.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline John

Re: Channel Five documentary - "Murder in a Small Town"
« Reply #599 on: April 12, 2021, 01:23:40 PM »

It is extremely hard to digest that anyone so young is capable of such brutality.

Surely the only sides are, that of Luke Mitchell V Her Majesty's Advocate.

The Jones family - Lost Jodi, she was murdered. The Mitchells - Luke was found guilty of this murder. They are not the same, where did this split begin that sought to make them so? Here I will mention Ms Lean, yet again.

I make no bones over Ms Lean, that is apparent, as it is with others over time on these forums. Of her manipulation of evidence, the additions and tall tales. Which for me highlights, the strength of the reasoning behind these attempts to show that of the evidence against LM to be Incorrect. That one's attention has to be drawn away from the facts and into fiction. But where did this case of LM V HMA morph into LM V these others? primarily the Jones family? Did this not stem from Ms Lean? Of "Why were these two families treated differently?" From a time, long before this case came to court. Of those days of attention and focus on LM. Why the Mitchells and not the Jones's? Of course, the simplest, obvious reason is that of suspicion. Therefore should the question, primarily not have been, what kept suspicion upon LM?

And she does focus on this but introduces many new ideas to these discussions, from those early days of 'Jigsawman' of "But what if I were to tell you?" - That power of suggestion? backed with, I have "all" the evidence. But this came long before having this claim to "all" the evidence did it not? Both Colin Bowman and Frontline Scotland using much of Ms Leans work to highlight and discuss this case, from those days of research and of writing "No Smoke"

And she is brought into discussion consistently as she enters these very discussions herself, has done from the beginning. With these very claims. Which in turn morphs LM V HMA into SL V 'others? It is no longer the defence from the trial that is primarily used but that of these books and so forth - heavily laden with this very bias. Is not the counteraction to this, that mainly of the Crown, of the evidence used? The agenda by posters to simply call out on this misinformation?

Truth be told - There is far more to this case than that of being different, a 'goth' of being 'picked upon' because he was different. Of carrying knives, two timing and smoking cannabis or urinating in bottles, these are mocked to simplify the case against LM. Used for distraction purpose. There is sound reason and evidence stacked against LM. The most fairest point in all of this is that Q? Was there enough evidence to show proof 'beyond reasonable doubt' But many come to the conclusion of no without actually looking at the case in detail. Declare innocence instead, whilst there is most definitely no proof beyond reasonable doubt of this? - And move onto trying others instead? Are they not confused with the confusion that is spread?

You can't take one or two areas of information, of multiple people and add them together to = one LM? To this "compelling story" against him?

The duo were on the path, they lied, MK wore a Parka, he had a scratch, Jaf left a condom with DNA he stood over the body?! SK had no alibi, [Name removed], his parents left him alone for a short while therefore no alibi. They all have history of some format or other, and? - Why were they eliminated? that is the sensible question is it not?

Perhaps the biggest misleading piece of information in all of this is - "they were never investigated"

A 14 year old boy, as you rightly point out. This factor alone brings about disbelief. A horrific attack on a 14 year old girl. The police. - Is it not foolish to claim that anyone was simply not investigated, that LM was simply chosen because he was different? Or because one police officer out of three 'may' have noted "with the boyfriend" Why is either side of this verbatim extract missing? Why is either side of SK's statement of "the dogs head being level with the V" missing? For that matter, why any of it? The reason is simple, is it not - it would not fit the narrative given around it. The bias.

To claim - That all of this search party were in agreement with LM that it was Mia who found Jodi. I have found nothing in this research to show this to be the case, more so, do we not go on the simple basis, first and foremost that if this were indeed the case, why were the police suspicious? Surely there is no 'self interest' (Colin Bowman) from this search party at all, if they all agreed with LM from the very beginning? That common sense does tell us, simply that there had to have been substantial difference in those statements for suspicion to stay/remain upon LM. Time being prominent, of scaling the wall at the 'Gino' break. That none of the search party had walked past this V.

That is why I chose my question "Why did suspicion fall upon Luke Mitchell?" Why were these 'others' eliminated, why did he remain at the fore, this 14 year old boy. For I took the stance two years ago of discounting first and foremost, that the police, in such a brutal murder case, kept Luke Mitchell in the loop, rather than Luke Mitchell keeping himself in the loop?

I couldn't have put it better myself. The agenda has always been to blame the others, even shamelessly naming them one by one, even blaming some within Jodi's own family. One lad is dead now but not much is said about that by those who accused him. Fortunately however his words are here on the forum for all to see.

That Channel 5 documentary must rank amongst some of the worst pieces of tv journalism ever produced. For sheer bias it would win an academy award.
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A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.