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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1350 on: December 19, 2022, 07:55:33 PM »
Before being transferred back to closed prison conditions, psychopathic killer Simon Hall made a wealth of ‘disclosures’ but appeared to have a preference to make his disclosures to females, including female prison staff members as opposed the male staff members he was seeing regularly;

For example one entry read;

“… disclosed form of self harm in the form of vigorous masturbation and insertion of objects into anus

“…stated that had used set of hair clippers and a knife (cutlery) to insert in his rectum, stated that when he had used the knife he had wanted to hurt himself, ie; cut himself 

The above disclosures were made on the same day he admitted his murder

8th August 2013 (on the day he was back in the media)

Simon appeared cheerful..

There are also numerous incompetent fraudsters who work within HMP services, either for the prison or outside agencies

Many of these incompetent fraudsters are tasked with managing dangerous killers and these incompetent fraudsters are supposed to be keeping the public safe
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1351 on: December 19, 2022, 08:10:18 PM »
There are also numerous incompetent fraudsters who work within HMP services, either for the prison or outside agencies

Many of these incompetent fraudsters are tasked with managing dangerous killers and these incompetent fraudsters are supposed to be keeping the public safe

Will be addressing the nonsense of many of these incompetent fraudsters in 2023

The same incompetent fraudsters who choose to attempt to paint dangerous, calculated, cunning, manipulative, sexually deviant killers as harmless victims
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1352 on: December 19, 2022, 08:21:25 PM »
Will be addressing the nonsense of many of these incompetent fraudsters in 2023

The same incompetent fraudsters who choose to attempt to paint dangerous, calculated, cunning, manipulative, sexually deviant killers as harmless victims

One example -

I do not recall anyone from mental health suggesting hospitalisation, and had this been proposed, I thought it would be normal procedure for a psychiatrist to prepare a report. I am not medically qualified to give an opinion, but I recall that Simon was a very complex character. He seemed to have a personality disorder as well as psychiatric issues and I was very concerned that he should be moved to receive more appropriate care.
I was quite shocked to hear of Simon’s death having worked closely with him. I was upset that he had not been able to hold on for his move to Grendon where I believe he would have been able to finally unload his emotions in a safe place ~ Nikki Mead


Killer Simon Hall unloaded his ‘emotions’ prior to his first attempted suicide in February 2013

Some examples👇
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/12/18/psychopathic-killer-simon-hall-blog-dated-9th-february-2013/

Killer Simon Hall did not have any ‘psychiatric issues

William (Bill) Long - Nov 2013
Mr Hall has presented as having some insight into his behaviour, although this has not always been the case. Such insight as he can demonstrate is further compounded by his apparent lying and ‘testing out’ the reactions of others with what he says.
He considers that he can sometimes ‘introspect’ and understand his anger and his coldness towards others.

Following the acceptance of his guilt he has become increasingly negative about the motives of staff and other prisoners, believing that he will be ‘forced’ to stay in prison for years beyond his tariff. He does not however see staff or ‘the system’ as ‘out to get him’ because of his years of denial.
His most negative attitude he reserves for his parents, and particularly his mother, Lynne. He has made accusations about her (although then mostly withdrawn them) and blames her and his father for how he is, and for what he has done…
Mr Hall has been quite negative about his future since his acceptance of guilt…
There is no evidence from interview or available file evidence to suggest Mr Hall is currently experiencing any active symptoms relating to mental illness; there is no suggestion or diagnosis that he has ever experienced a serious mental illness.
“Most recently his mood has been reflective of feelings of anxiety, sorrow, regret, worry and concerns for himself and what will happen to him 

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Offline Kenmair

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1353 on: December 19, 2022, 08:40:16 PM »
What I'm still unsure of SL, SF & Co is if they genuinely believe LM is innocent and can't see any other possibilty, or are they just in it to make a name for themselves?

Surely after decades of research they must have some doubts but have continued their campaign to save losing face and keep themselves in the public eye.

Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1354 on: December 19, 2022, 08:46:04 PM »
What I'm still unsure of SL, SF & Co is if they genuinely believe LM is innocent and can't see any other possibilty, or are they just in it to make a name for themselves?

Surely after decades of research they must have some doubts but have continued their campaign to save losing face and keep themselves in the public eye.

Sandra Lean stated in 2014 she had been duped by the Mitchell’s and she sounded upset by this and concerned about the 10 years she said she had wasted

Not sure what you mean by ‘decades of research’?

Are you referring to killer Luke Mitchell’s case or Sandra Lean’s fabricated ‘PhD’?

Sandra Lean did not attend killer Luke Mitchell 42 day trial so she won’t have been able to carry out any ‘research’ related to everything she’s not aware of
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1355 on: December 19, 2022, 09:01:13 PM »
Killer Simon Hall unloaded his ‘emotions’ prior to his first attempted suicide in February 2013

Some examples👇
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/12/18/psychopathic-killer-simon-hall-blog-dated-9th-february-2013/

Killer Simon Hall was receiving ‘counselling’ around this time btw (HMP Hollesley Bay) - ‘counselling’ linked to his relationships

Don’t forget to add those to the ‘outside world’ list Sandra Lean

Re: Sandra Leans book "No Smoke" should be re-vised or withdrawn
« Reply #104 on: January 12, 2017, 09:21:PM »
His wife when he confessed - the only contact he had with the outside world - the only contact he had with the outside world.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg383343.html#msg383343

Killer Simon Hall was receiving ‘counselling’ prior to when he chose to admit to the innocence fraud

Not long after he said “I killed Joan Albert”

He claimed to carry out “vigorous masturbation and insertion of objects into anus” which he claimed were ‘hair clippers’ and a kitchen knife - which later morphed into a ‘cutlery’ knife

 *&^^&
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1356 on: December 19, 2022, 09:22:01 PM »
Killer Simon Hall unloaded his ‘emotions’ prior to his first attempted suicide in February 2013

Some examples👇
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/12/18/psychopathic-killer-simon-hall-blog-dated-9th-february-2013/

Killer Simon Hall also said some sick, sexually deviant BS on the Friday before his first suicide attempt in February 2013

His mask had well and truly come off by this point
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1357 on: December 19, 2022, 09:33:43 PM »
What I'm still unsure of SL, SF & Co is if they genuinely believe LM is innocent and can't see any other possibilty, or are they just in it to make a name for themselves?

Surely after decades of research they must have some doubts but have continued their campaign to save losing face and keep themselves in the public eye.

This isn’t at all about killer Luke Mitchell’s ‘innocence’ for Sandra Lean 

She’s a [moderated]
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1358 on: December 19, 2022, 09:36:49 PM »
Colin Bowman - 22nd November 2010
I'm suspicious, and worried. Why would you choose to invest your time in bashing Middleton and WAP, with legal review only a fornight or so away.
The only 'hot' material on Simon Hall's case, on that forum, has been this dispute. In the absence of this dispute, the offending thread would have been silent or quiet. Why was that particular dog not left lying.
There's then clearly a lot attaching to behind the scenes matters and details, that the parties are choosing to not release into the public domain. Why then have this dispute in the public domain at all; why not keep it totally private.
I don't know what the impact of all this will be on the Simon Hall side. The impact on WAP looks negative; and that worries me. This public disagreement, it without clarifiying material, simply should not be occurring.
colin

Colin Bowman - 22nd November 2010
I agree that, on the surface, it looks like a difficult PR day for WAP.
But I don't then see how any of this leads to more support for MRS H. A history of falling out with erstwhile supporters, is not a good CV.

Colin Bowman- 22nd November 2010
On the most cursory of data (really just reading online posts which purport to attach to Stephanie Hall) I sense that your approach differs. Your commitment is to Simon Hall, and you well have been instrumental in seeing his case now come to legal review. The psychological and intellectual approaches differ, depending on whether we are taking a generalist or an individual-private approach. I surmise that, for some behind the scenes set of reasons, a tension in this has become explosive.
colin

Stephanie (Hall)- 22nd November 2010
We are no longer associated with WAP, due to behind the scenes activities in the last couple of months

Stephanie (Hall) - 22nd November 2010
Billy is choosing to interpret Simon's letter for his own ends and he is also attempting to cover his unprofessional behaviour.

In reality it was Sandra Lean (and Billy Middleton)

Con- 23rd November 2010
Thought I would help out with these definitions
Definitions of closed on the Web:
   * not open or affording passage or access
      not open to the general public
       shut not open.
Definitions of remove on the Web
get rid of: dispose of
The act of removing something,
Take away totally.
Though closed could just mean shut but still in view. So I think what you need is for the information to be removed totally from public view.


Why didn’t Sandra Lean just simply suggest to un-convicted baby killer Billy Middleton ’to remove everything relating to Simon’s case from the site’ from the start?

Why the need for Sandra Lean to post what she did when she did?

What did Sandra Lean hope her post would achieve?

Post Reproduced here
👇
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/12/19/sandra-leans-emotional-manipulation-original-published-on-the-23rd-november-2010/

When was Sandra Lean planning to become a co-director of WAP?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1359 on: December 19, 2022, 09:46:41 PM »

Colin Bowman- 22nd November 2010
On the most cursory of data (really just reading online posts which purport to attach to Stephanie Hall) I sense that your approach differs. Your commitment is to Simon Hall, and you well have been instrumental in seeing his case now come to legal review. The psychological and intellectual approaches differ, depending on whether we are taking a generalist or an individual-private approach. I surmise that, for some behind the scenes set of reasons, a tension in this has become explosive.
colin

This wasn’t true either
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1360 on: December 19, 2022, 09:54:11 PM »

Colin Bowman- 22nd November 2010
On the most cursory of data (really just reading online posts which purport to attach to Stephanie Hall) I sense that your approach differs. Your commitment is to Simon Hall, and you well have been instrumental in seeing his case now come to legal review. The psychological and intellectual approaches differ, depending on whether we are taking a generalist or an individual-private approach. I surmise that, for some behind the scenes set of reasons, a tension in this has become explosive.
colin


Again would be interested to hear what Colin Bowman now says on this
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1361 on: December 19, 2022, 09:56:18 PM »
"On 23 July 2013 Simon Hall confessed to the murder of Joan Albert to a mental health nurse, after saying he needed to speak with her urgently”
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg382976.html#msg382976

Her name was/is Jenny Liddeth

They’ll be more on this in 2023
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1362 on: December 19, 2022, 10:02:24 PM »
Sandra Lean 11th January 2017
Did anyone, anywhere, ever assess the possible impacts of Simon's mental health on the making of the confession? Were the details of the confession checked against all of the known information? Were there any aspects of the confession that didn't match the known information, or that didn't fit logically with what was claimed? Did anyone bother to check?
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg383026.html#msg383026

Did Stephanie Bon ever recall seeing killer Simon Hall wearing the red and black ‘loud’ and ‘larey’ shirt and it suddenly going missing?

👇
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/05/06/quite-a-hall-tale-part-5-%ef%b8%8f/

Killer Simon Hall was ‘wrongly convicted’ and in turn wrongly sentenced

The prosecution allege Hall broke into the property with the intention of carrying out a burglary, but stabbed the pensioner to death when she disturbed him. Hall denies murder.

‘Mrs Justice Rafferty reminded the jury that it was up to the prosecution to prove that Hall had killed Mrs Albert.

"There is no direct evidence that Simon Hall killed Joan Albert. There is evidence, if you accept it say the Crown, he had the opportunity to do it," she said. (Sic)
https://www.eadt.co.uk/news/21321104.murder-trial-jury-continue-deliberations/

Yet more fabrications and BS
👇
Before Hall was sentenced, his barrister, Peter Rouch QC, urged Mrs Justice Rafferty to consider the fact that the prosecution's case was that Mrs Albert's murder had been a "burglary that went wrong"

He said there was never any suggestion that whoever killed the pensioner had gone to her home to deliberately take her life

Mr Rouch also said Hall's previous convictions for violence, an assault in McDonalds in 1997 and another for wounding, was a result of a street fight

"He is only 25. He has a strong family union. Whenever he comes out of custody he will have that unit”

During the trial, the prosecution claimed Hall targeted Mrs Albert's home because of his special knowledge about her living circumstances

https://www.eadt.co.uk/news/21321705.life-sentence-pensioners-murder/

Killer Simon Hall’s murder was premeditated - he deliberately went to her home to ‘take her life’

And he also planned to rape his victim (after death) - fibres were recovered from the upper thigh area

Killer Simon Hall had been violent to a previous partner

And he most definitely did not have a ‘strong family union’ - it was all a facade

William (Bill) Long - Nov 2013
His most negative attitude he reserves for his parents, and particularly his mother, Lynne

Quote
Even though I used to feel that I didn’t really belong in the household and was always out of the house as much as I possibly could be, I didn’t have anywhere else to go. Killer Simon Hall - 6th April 2013 http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/12/18/psychopathic-killer-simon-hall-6th-april-2013-blog/

There are numerous comments and reference to killer Simon Hall saying he hated being in ‘that house’ ie; his adoptive parents Lynne and Phil Hall’s house in Capel

And he did have ‘special knowledge’ as Lynne Hall would have told him/repeated everything and some

In one of her police statements Lynne Hall made a reference to Joan Albert showing Lynne her ‘hernia’ and chose to tell the police JA wasn’t wearing any underwear and alleged she (Lynne Hall) had been embarrassed by this
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1363 on: December 19, 2022, 10:32:54 PM »
Sandra Lean 11th January 2017
Did anyone, anywhere, ever assess the possible impacts of Simon's mental health on the making of the confession? Were the details of the confession checked against all of the known information? Were there any aspects of the confession that didn't match the known information, or that didn't fit logically with what was claimed? Did anyone bother to check?
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg383026.html#msg383026

The incompetent fraudsters who worked for HMP Hollesley Bay, or outside agencies, chose to refer to killer Simon Hall’s sadomasochism as ‘self harm’

 *&^^&

And all the incompetent fraudsters at HMP Hollesley and HMP Wayland (and outside agencies) failed to recognise killer Simon Hall’s sadomasochistic paraphilia

More on this soon
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1364 on: December 19, 2022, 11:09:37 PM »
Why didn’t Sandra Lean pick up on un-convicted baby killer Billy Middleton’s’ Freudian slip when he sent her a copy of his speech to proof read for him

"MARINA THOMASON"
"I do feel incredibly angry that Billy Middleton feels that he has the right to publish on the internet whatever he wants without fear of retribution.

Reading his MOJ2010 speech just puts my blood pressure right up because there is hardly one single paragraph that contains the whole truth. Unfortunately there is very little that I can state as "fact" as at it would mean exposing people and information that at the moment has to remain confidential. I am, however, now in a position to comment on the following subject things that I was told as Billy took it upon himself to expose his ex-wife as the person to whom the sexual assault charges concerned.

He himself describes the charge as "sexual abuse". I'm unclear why. As far as I know the charges were of sexual assault. To my mind sexual abuse indicates a more long term situation. A freudian slip, perhaps?. Maybe this was closer to the truth of what was happening in Billy and Kareen's relationship.

However Billy Middleton states: "They then threw in a charge of sexual abuse against my wife instead but both she and her uncle proved in court it was not physically possible because we were about 60 miles apart at the time and the doctor who examined her testified that there was no physical evidence to support it.

Billy put forward a special plea of 'consent' to the sexual assault charges yet in the statement above he is implying that it never happened and that this was "proved in court". He can't have it both ways - either his ex-wife consented or else it didn't happen, not both.

The only 'incident' of sexual assault Kareen discussed with me in any detail was the time that caused her to leave Billy in April/May 2007. Remember, this was about 2 years before the trial and 18 months before the fire. It was the first time I visited her at her aunt and uncle's house in Brae after she left Cullivoe with the kids. She told me what Billy had done to her. Needless to say, I was appalled. She was upset and confused and asked my advice on what to do. She spoke about going back to him as she was afraid if she left him for good what he would do. Billy was constantly texting her and using the children as a weapon against her, saying things like did she really want the kids to come from a broken home and she was to think about the effect all this was having on them. Things like that. I advised her not to go back to him. She was 3 months pregnant with Annalise at the time.

Kareen had not been happy for a long time. Billy spent much of his home time on the computer. Kareen was sure he was in contact with other women. She looked up the history on their computer one day Billy was at work and found that he had googled "rape", "torture" and "p***y fisting". Billy had been visiting hardcore BDSM sites and Kareen was scared - is this what he had in mind for her? She told me things had been escalating against her will in the bedroom. She did not tell me the exact date of when the assault had taken place but I did get the impression that she had waited a few days before leaving him and moving to Brae. She only went to see the GP the day after she moved to Brae on her aunt and uncle's insistance. From my understanding of what Kareen has told me because she had waited a number of days and because she had given birth to 2 children naturally the GP was non-committal about any signs of an assault having taken place.

When Kareen took Billy back most of her family and friends distanced themselves from her including me. I felt embarrassed because I had tried to advise her not to take him back but she had and it felt very awkward. I know her family felt the same way. We have spoke since about the reasons why she took him back and I can absolutely see why she did - she was a typical abused wife caught in a cycle of abuse. She told me that one of the conditions she took him back on was if he saw a counsellor. He showed her a letter with an appointment but does not know if he ever attended. All she knows is that the abuse only ever got worse and because she no longer felt she could turn to her friends and family she was completely isolated.


"For reasons only known to themselves the police never interviewed either myself or Kareen's counsellor whom she was seeing regarding unresolved issues from her childhood and also the difficulties she was experiencing within her own relationship with Billy. She told her counsellor everything.

However, following the trial Kareen's solicitor did take a statement from her counsellor. That is why Billy never fought to see the kids. His lies would be exposed before his family and he couldn't let that happen

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg385712.html#msg385712

And why did Sandra Lean readily dismiss Billy Middleton’s search history ?
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