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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1620 on: February 12, 2023, 08:21:45 AM »
What exactly did the witness who claimed they saw a bike ‘propped at the wall’ say?

gordo30
many people paying attention to the bike and who witnessed it proped up against the V in the wall, what was it about this bike that made people notice it?


Did this witness see killer Luke Mitchell’s other push bike
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Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1621 on: February 12, 2023, 08:57:12 AM »
Sandra Lean
From memory, Luke texted Jodi at 4.34 to ask if she was coming out that evening, she responded that she was, where would she meet him, Luke responded saying she could come down to Newbattle after tea, she responded that she'd be down "later."

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg386775.html#msg386775

Sandra Lean
From memory, Luke sent the first message, but I'm far from sure on that, and would have to check.
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg387175.html#msg387175

Wasn’t [Name removed]’s phone broken?
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Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1622 on: February 12, 2023, 08:59:35 AM »
Sandra Lean
When I very first met him, three and a half months after the murder, he told me he wasn't sure what Jodi might be doing "in between" and didn't want to call her house again  in case he got her into trouble.


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Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1623 on: February 12, 2023, 09:19:55 AM »
Sandra Lean
JF ... well, he had a phone, but sometimes he didn't, and just like his bikes, he swapped his phones too

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg387786.html#msg387786

So grifter Sandra Lean is saying here John F swapped his bike

Sandra Lean
GD tried to throw Luke and JF under the bus by claiming JF had stolen a bike, and then swapped it with Luke for one of Luke's bikes.
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Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1624 on: February 12, 2023, 10:36:54 PM »
Ana Azaria
Glenda Cathersides Luke saw Jodi at lunch time and he had seen her at school - they went to the China garden together with friends at lunch time. He didn't see or talk to after school - actually, there isn't much information regarding how Jodi got home. I'll see if I can find anything else. Toxicology showed that Jodi had probably smoked a joint less than two hours before death. The prosecution tried to suggest that Luke had given her the cannabis, as he was also known to smoke it - but none of the friends they were with at lunch time saw Luke give any cannabis to Jodi for her to take home/smoke later. Even if they had smoked cannabis at lunch time, this would still have been more than 3 hours before her death, so where did she get the cannabis, and who from?Nothing showed in Luke's toxicology. Friends said Jodi wouldn't have smoked alone.r


Is con woman Sandra Lean pretending killer Luke Mitchell was tested for cannabis on 1st July 2003?

”David Tulloch smoked cannabis with Mitchell an hour after Jodi was slain.
The 17-year-old said: 'I feel sick that I spent any time in his company.
''We were smoking hash - Luke always brought it. He always seemed to have enough to go round.
'We went to sit in the bunker just next to the college and smoked cannabis there.
Then we went for a walk to a Tarzan swing past Luke's house and we mucked about on that for a bit. 
“Now, Tulloch realises he had smoked drugs with a vindictive killer who had only just removed the blood from his hands.



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Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1625 on: February 12, 2023, 10:43:44 PM »
Ana Azaria
Glenda Cathersides Luke saw Jodi at lunch time and he had seen her at school - they went to the China garden together with friends at lunch time. He didn't see or talk to after school - actually, there isn't much information regarding how Jodi got home. I'll see if I can find anything else. Toxicology showed that Jodi had probably smoked a joint less than two hours before death. The prosecution tried to suggest that Luke had given her the cannabis, as he was also known to smoke it - but none of the friends they were with at lunch time saw Luke give any cannabis to Jodi for her to take home/smoke later. Even if they had smoked cannabis at lunch time, this would still have been more than 3 hours before her death, so where did she get the cannabis, and who from?Nothing showed in Luke's toxicology. Friends said Jodi wouldn't have smoked alone.r


Are these ‘toxicology’ results from Polmont YO?
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Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1626 on: February 12, 2023, 10:47:49 PM »
Ana Azaria
Glenda Cathersides Luke saw Jodi at lunch time and he had seen her at school - they went to the China garden together with friends at lunch time. He didn't see or talk to after school - actually, there isn't much information regarding how Jodi got home. I'll see if I can find anything else. Toxicology showed that Jodi had probably smoked a joint less than two hours before death. The prosecution tried to suggest that Luke had given her the cannabis, as he was also known to smoke it - but none of the friends they were with at lunch time saw Luke give any cannabis to Jodi for her to take home/smoke later. Even if they had smoked cannabis at lunch time, this would still have been more than 3 hours before her death, so where did she get the cannabis, and who from?Nothing showed in Luke's toxicology. Friends said Jodi wouldn't have smoked alone.r


These are the same people who are claiming they don’t know if [Name removed] was at school that day

If killer Luke Mitchell saw [Name removed] at school doesn’t it make sense others would have also

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Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1627 on: February 13, 2023, 12:08:12 AM »
Derek Edmond
Having went to the same school as both Luke and Jodi at the same time, albeit 2 years above them and knowing both of them personally, this case has been really close to home for me. I know for a fact that Luke never did this and Jodi wouldn’t have wanted him being framed for the murder. Jodi was such a sweet girl as we used to speak in the passing within the school’s music department. I still find it hard to come to terms with the way she was so brutally murdered and also how she’s been let down by her family. Someone within her family knows what’s happened and are covering it up. I also believe also that the real perpetrator(s) are closer to home for the Jones family. The proof they’re hiding something is there for all to see. Imagine that being your family member and nothing connecting Luke forensically to the murder. You’d be moving mountains to find the real perpetrator(s). For that reason and all the changing of stories, it’s clear perverting the course of justice. Those hiding the truth should be ashamed. Having assisted Dr Sandra Lean and her team on this case, we have all faced a lot of grief in a number of ways. The establishment are terrified of the truth and I believe that Luke will see the outside of the prison purely based on the fact that the Police have made such a hash of the whole case, they don’t want to be taken to task over their corruption as those found to be turning a blind eye to leads or evidence and trying to hide evidence to fit their narrative are culpable and could be prosecuted.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yamxg0YT7Rs

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What ‘grief’ is Derek Edmond referring to that he and [moderated] Sandra Lean have ‘faced’?
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Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1628 on: February 13, 2023, 12:36:00 AM »
Sandra Lean
Ronnie Mothersole Ronnie Mothersole I understand what you're saying Ronnie, but there are a number of tried and tested legal arguments that would halt this at the first hurdle - if we're claiming "inadequate DNA testing"  at the time, they will argue that it would have been known about, and therefore should have been questioned by the defence, at the time.
Here's where the minefield begins. If we argue that, based on today's knowledge, the DNA was inadequately tested,they'll say,well, you can't hold them accountable for something they didn't know.
Same thing for "unreliable" - they'd argue that it was believed to be reliable at the time and was therefore used in "good faith" at the time.
This is what I mean about the "secret language" - phrases like "inadequate testing" and "unreliable evidence" mean entirely different things to us ordinary people than they are "understood" in legal jargon.
I'm not saying it can't be done, I'm saying we need to make sure that we're all "speaking the same language" - and that is where the minefield lies!!!!


Do you think you, Ronnie Mothersole and Scott Forbes are ‘ordinary people’ Sandra Lean ?

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Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1629 on: February 13, 2023, 12:43:06 AM »
Sandra Lean
Ronnie Mothersole Not quite, Ronnie. The parka story began with Fleming and Walsh (one of them said it "might have been" a parka jacket - just like it "might have been" Luke, when we know it could have been MK), then grew arms and legs through the rumour mill in the local area and, in the end, only one teacher was brought forward to say he "remembered" Luke in a Parka jacket. They said that teacher was "reliable" because he left the school at the end of the term, so his memory "must have been" before Jodi was murdered. What they didn't consider was that he was local and would almost certainly have seen the media coverage of Luke in the parka jacket.
We have evidence of a girl on the public service bus (not the school bus) saying she "might have" seen a girl who "could have been Jodi" on the bus - and that's it. Once again, it seems there was absolutely no effort to find the people who could have said for sure, one way or the other


What a fraudster

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In reality - Fraudster Sandra Lean wrote two books (No Smoke & IB) which weren’t based on ALL the 42 days worth of evidence heard during killer Luke Mitchell’s trial

And because grifter Sandra Lean did not attend the 42 day trial she has no idea of all the evidence heard around Jodi Jones movements that day

The fact killer Luke Mitchell’s evidence was that he also saw [Name removed] in school that day should be ringing alarm bells for all those people who have been, and are being, duped by Sandra Lean’s innocence fraud

How many students and teachers who saw Jodi Jones at school on the 31st June 2003 made statements and/or gave evidence during the 42 dat trial you did not attend Sandra Lean?

Ana Azaria
Glenda Cathersides Luke saw Jodi at lunch time and he had seen her at school -

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Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1630 on: February 13, 2023, 12:53:35 AM »
How many students and teachers who saw Jodi Jones at school on the 31st June 2003 made statements and/or gave evidence during the 42 dat trial you did not attend Sandra Lean?

Did innocence fraud pusher Sandra Lean write about the reporting restrictions through out the 42 day trial and why there would have been reporting restrictions?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1631 on: February 13, 2023, 12:54:57 AM »
How many students and teachers who saw Jodi Jones at school on the 31st June 2003 made statements and/or gave evidence during the 42 dat trial you did not attend Sandra Lean?

What exactly did killer Luke Mitchell’s statements say about having seen Jodi Jones at school on the 31st June 2003?

Ana Azaria
Glenda Cathersides Luke saw Jodi at lunch time and he had seen her at school -

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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1632 on: February 13, 2023, 01:15:56 AM »
Has [moderated] Sandra Lean and fantasist Scott Forbes been communicating with Tam Walker and Carrie Walker?

Tam Walker
Hello, I'm Tam and something to know about me is I'm related 😳and I can't believe Luke is locked up for this gruesome crime.

Ana Azaria
Hi Tam, welcome - thank you for being here.
If you have any questions please feel free to ask

Carolanne Robertson Graham
Related to whom ?

Tam Walker
Carolanne Robertson Graham first cousin to Judy

Stuart Henderson
Carrie Walker How are you finding the group so far?.

Carrie Walker
Carolanne Robertson Graham he is my Dad, we are relations to Jodi

Carrie Walker
Stuart Henderson its quite an eye-opener tbh found out alot about quite a few family members that was even hidden from us especially when we were through there quite alot.

Carrie Walker
Carolanne Robertson Graham we hope so too. We loved Jodi very much ❤️ and hope Luke gets the freedom he deserves ❤️

Ann Rushford
welcome Tam Walker & Carrie Walker 👍 and sorry you've had to find out information this way, cant be nice.. good to have u here xx

Heather Lungley
Welcome Tam👋 It must be very hard for you to take the stance that you have, huge respect to you for doing so. I always say to people that this is about getting justice for Jodi too, she is not forgotten💛
I know you haven’t been in the group long but once you’ve had a chance to look through some of the info, I’d be really interested to hear what has been the biggest revelation/surprise to you, i.e. what have you discovered that is totally different from what you always believed or thought previously?


Did Tam and Carrie Walker attend killer Luke Mitchell’s 42 day trial?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1633 on: February 13, 2023, 01:31:39 AM »
Did Tam and Carrie Walker attend killer Luke Mitchell’s 42 day trial?

Carrie Walker
Evening all
I have invited a few other members of my family to the group as they like myself believe Luke is innocent.
We are relations of Jodi and miss her very much and want those responsible punished.
We want to thank you for making us feel very welcome here and for all your lovely comments, hopefully together we can wake more people up to seeing the truth. ❤️

Heather Lungley
I’ve just said it on your dad’s post but big respect to you both for joining the group, it must be quite a difficult stance for you both and I hope it doesn’t cause you any hassle. We want justice for Jodi too💛

Heather Lungley
Welcome Tam👋 It must be very hard for you to take the stance that you have, huge respect to you for doing so. I always say to people that this is about getting justice for Jodi too, she is not forgotten💛
I know you haven’t been in the group long but once you’ve had a chance to look through some of the info, I’d be really interested to hear what has been the biggest revelation/surprise to you, i.e. what have you discovered that is totally different from what you always believed or thought previously?/color]
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1634 on: February 13, 2023, 01:49:59 AM »
Sandra Lean
Ronnie Mothersole Not quite, Ronnie. The parka story began with Fleming and Walsh (one of them said it "might have been" a parka jacket - just like it "might have been" Luke, when we know it could have been MK), then grew arms and legs through the rumour mill in the local area and, in the end, only one teacher was brought forward to say he "remembered" Luke in a Parka jacket. They said that teacher was "reliable" because he left the school at the end of the term, so his memory "must have been" before Jodi was murdered. What they didn't consider was that he was local and would almost certainly have seen the media coverage of Luke in the parka jacket.
We have evidence of a girl on the public service bus (not the school bus) saying she "might have" seen a girl who "could have been Jodi" on the bus - and that's it. Once again, it seems there was absolutely no effort to find the people who could have said for sure, one way or the other


No it did not Sandra Lean !

The parka story ‘began’ when killer Luke Mitchell first wore the original parka and was seen wearing said parka - prior to him committing his murder and prior to the replacement parka being purchased

Many witnesses gave evidence they had seen killer Luke wearing the first parka - dates of which were before June 2003

And if you are choosing to go by the date when statements were taken/given to the police Sandra Lean - why don’t you publish all of the dates of the witnesses who gave evidence to the police about having seen killer Luke wearing the first parka along with the dates they say they saw him wearing it

Along with all the evidence heard during the trial relating to killer Luke’s first parka
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