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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1740 on: February 14, 2023, 07:52:44 AM »
Excerpt from Sandra Lean’s book No Smoke

“If, as the prosecution claimed, Luke left to meet Jodi in response to texts they‟d exchanged earlier (the last one being at 4.38pm), we have to accept that Luke was at the end of his street when these texts were exchanged, he left immediately, took a very brisk walk up the path, covering the distance in the minimum possible time, and arrived to meet Jodi with just one minute to spare within the "identification" window produced by Andrina Bryson‟s sighting.

Sandra Lean
Push bikes featured with an almost ridiculous amount of significance in the early investigation


Killer Luke Mitchell could have used his other push bike as opposed to a ‘very brisk walk’
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1741 on: February 14, 2023, 08:02:05 AM »
Excerpts from Sandra Lean’s 1st discredited book No Smoke

Luke was positively identified, by some schoolboys who knew him, sitting on a wall at the end of his street in Newbattle, at approximately 5.45pm, and again some 10 minutes later.

No-one positively identified Luke or Jodi between 4.50pm and 5.45pm

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THREE teenage pals tell the court they spotted Mitchell on a road which passes the entrance to the path where Jodi died.
Andrew Holburn, Dean Houston and Grant Elliot all say they saw him after Jodi is said to have left her home.

https://www.thefreelibrary.com/THE+JODI+JONES+TRIAL%3A+A+strangling+sort+of+sound%2Ca+human.+It+sounded...-a0125808235
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1742 on: February 14, 2023, 08:19:54 AM »
Was SL at any days in court? Was she just there for the appeals.

If gouger Sandra Lean had attended any of killer Luke Mitchell’s trial she would have known a lot more about the facts and evidence against killer Luke Mitchell and may not not have got so much wrong in her books

In his closing speech, Alan Turnbull QC narrowed the prosecution case down to three key pieces of evidence. He argued the evidence of the accused’s brother, Jodi Jones family members and a passer-by were sufficient grounds on which to convict Mitchell
https://www.heraldscotland.com/default_content/12463287.one-scotlands-biggest-cases-fails-answer-jodi-murdered/

Excerpt from Sandra Lean’s 1st discredited book No Smoke

According to Alan Turnbull QC, there were three things that proved that Luke was the killer:
The "identification" of him at the Easthouses end of the path with Jodi at around 5pm.
The "fact" that Shane said Luke was not at home between 5pm and 5.45pm.
The testimony of the other three members of the search party.
These three things were "central" to the prosecution‟s case, he claimed.


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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1743 on: February 14, 2023, 08:26:30 AM »
Sandra Lean
Kirk Mulholland Each of the searchers - Luke, SK and AW went down in the direction of Jodi's body alone, so there was no-one else to see what they said, did, or saw (I mention "saw" because nobody, other than Luke, can say what he saw, since he was the first to go down, and, we now know that there's a possibility the gran moved Jodi to the position she was in when the police arrived. That would, of course, have been different to the position Luke originally saw her in.)
There's very little detail in the statements about what happened behind the wall - the police were more interested in checking what could be seen from specific distances (to try to claim Luke couldn't have seen Jodi from where he said he did).
A couple of things I found interesting - the gran described what she saw as "like a lump of meat on a butcher's slab" and said that, after she came back over the wall she was "stomping up and down" saying, over and over again, "It's a mess. It's a mess."

Sandra Lean
Kirk Mulholland That was the first thing that came into my mind when I read it. Also, "It's a mess" - she didn't even refer to Jodi by name, or as "the bairn" or any term of endearment whatsoever. It's a mess. What is the "it" that was a mess? I cannot bring myself to believe she was actually referring to Jodi as "it," which leaves me wondering what the "it" does refer to?
I know none of us could say what we would do in those circumstances, but those two phrases really stand out to me as both disturbing and deeply disrespectful.


Gouger Sandra Lean in 2023 👆🏽

Yet this 👇 is what she claimed in her 1st discredited book No Smoke re Alice Walker and ‘a mess’

Alice Walker, Jodi‟s grandmother, who was reported as shaking, screaming, and "a mess" following the discovery of the body

Copy of chapter on killer Luke Mitchell from con artist Sandra Lean’s No Smoke
👇
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/08/copy-of-chapter-from-sandra-leans-1st-discredited-smoke-mirrors-book-promoting-the-innocence-fraud-phenomenon-of-actually-factually-guilty-killer-luke-mitchell/
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1744 on: February 14, 2023, 08:57:47 AM »
Sandra Lean
Kirk Mulholland Each of the searchers - Luke, SK and AW went down in the direction of Jodi's body alone, so there was no-one else to see what they said, did, or saw (I mention "saw" because nobody, other than Luke, can say what he saw, since he was the first to go down, and, we now know that there's a possibility the gran moved Jodi to the position she was in when the police arrived. That would, of course, have been different to the position Luke originally saw her in.)
There's very little detail in the statements about what happened behind the wall - the police were more interested in checking what could be seen from specific distances (to try to claim Luke couldn't have seen Jodi from where he said he did).
A couple of things I found interesting - the gran described what she saw as "like a lump of meat on a butcher's slab" and said that, after she came back over the wall she was "stomping up and down" saying, over and over again, "It's a mess. It's a mess."

Sandra Lean
Kirk Mulholland That was the first thing that came into my mind when I read it. Also, "It's a mess" - she didn't even refer to Jodi by name, or as "the bairn" or any term of endearment whatsoever. It's a mess. What is the "it” that was a mess? I cannot bring myself to believe she was actually referring to Jodi as "it," which leaves me wondering what the "it" does refer to?
I know none of us could say what we would do in those circumstances, but those two phrases really stand out to me as both disturbing and deeply disrespectful.


Why doesn’t [moderated] Sandra Lean detail where exactly, and by who exactly, the alleged following statements originate from and why does she choose to take them out of context?

 *&^^&

What is “it”?’ - More concoctions and manipulation by toxic abuser Sandra Lean

Yet this 👇 is what she claimed in her 1st discredited book No Smoke re Alice Walker and ‘a mess’

Alice Walker, Jodi‟s grandmother, who was reported as shaking, screaming, and "a mess" following the discovery of the body

Copy of chapter on killer Luke Mitchell from con artist Sandra Lean’s No Smoke
👇
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/08/copy-of-chapter-from-sandra-leans-1st-discredited-smoke-mirrors-book-promoting-the-innocence-fraud-phenomenon-of-actually-factually-guilty-killer-luke-mitchell/

No one trashes your name, more than someone who is afraid you will tell the truth’ & the ‘one typo’ lie
👇
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/21/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-5/
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1745 on: February 14, 2023, 09:23:47 AM »
Has [moderated] Sandra Lean and fantasist Scott Forbes been communicating with Tam Walker and Carrie Walker?

Carrie Walker
Finally got enough courage to watch murder in a small town. Been putting it off for so long as knew there would be the details of what happened to Jodi.
Since watching it my heart has been so broken for Lukes Mum, no one should have to live like she is now especially when in reality she lost her child too 💔
Will be watching the podcasts tonight after work.

Michael Taylor
Carrie. Are you family by any chance?

Carrie Walker
Michael Taylor yes I am.

Michael Walker
Carrie Walker I'm guessing you believe in Luke's  innocence?

Carrie Walker
Michael Taylor isn't that why everyone is here?

Carrie Walker
Michael Taylor been here a few weeks and was very anxious anyone finding out but spoke privately with admin and feel abit at ease. Just didn't want my inbox filling up with a angry mob 🙈.
Glad to be here though. 🩷
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1746 on: February 14, 2023, 09:27:40 AM »
Sandra Lean
Kirk Mulholland Each of the searchers - Luke, SK and AW went down in the direction of Jodi's body alone, so there was no-one else to see what they said, did, or saw (I mention "saw" because nobody, other than Luke, can say what he saw, since he was the first to go down, and, we now know that there's a possibility the gran moved Jodi to the position she was in when the police arrived. That would, of course, have been different to the position Luke originally saw her in.)
There's very little detail in the statements about what happened behind the wall - the police were more interested in checking what could be seen from specific distances (to try to claim Luke couldn't have seen Jodi from where he said he did).
A couple of things I found interesting - the gran described what she saw as "like a lump of meat on a butcher's slab" and said that, after she came back over the wall she was "stomping up and down" saying, over and over again, "It's a mess. It's a mess."

Sandra Lean
Kirk Mulholland That was the first thing that came into my mind when I read it. Also, "It's a mess" - she didn't even refer to Jodi by name, or as "the bairn" or any term of endearment whatsoever. It's a mess. What is the "it" that was a mess? I cannot bring myself to believe she was actually referring to Jodi as "it," which leaves me wondering what the "it" does refer to?
I know none of us could say what we would do in those circumstances, but those two phrases really stand out to me as both disturbing and deeply disrespectful.


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Why doesn’t [moderated] Sandra Lean detail where exactly, and by who exactly, the alleged following statements originate from and why does she choose to take them out of context?

Some context

Janine explained her gran Alice Walker then climbed over.

She went on: "I heard my grandmother scream and I started screaming. I assumed that Jodi was there.

"My gran came back over to the path. She was a mess. She said she didn't know if it was Jodi but she was shocked.

https://www.thefreelibrary.com/JODI+JONES+MURDER+TRIAL%3A+%27Only+time+that+Luke+showed+emotion+after...-a0125974641
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1747 on: February 14, 2023, 09:35:21 AM »
Sandra Lean
Kirk Mulholland Each of the searchers - Luke, SK and AW went down in the direction of Jodi's body alone, so there was no-one else to see what they said, did, or saw (I mention "saw" because nobody, other than Luke, can say what he saw, since he was the first to go down, and, we now know that there's a possibility the gran moved Jodi to the position she was in when the police arrived. That would, of course, have been different to the position Luke originally saw her in.)
There's very little detail in the statements about what happened behind the wall - the police were more interested in checking what could be seen from specific distances (to try to claim Luke couldn't have seen Jodi from where he said he did).
A couple of things I found interesting - the gran described what she saw as "like a lump of meat on a butcher's slab" and said that, after she came back over the wall she was "stomping up and down" saying, over and over again, "It's a mess. It's a mess."

[/b]Sandra Lean[/b]
Kirk Mulholland That was the first thing that came into my mind when I read it. Also, "It's a mess" - she didn't even refer to Jodi by name, or as "the bairn" or any term of endearment whatsoever. It's a mess. What is the "it" that was a mess? I cannot bring myself to believe she was actually referring to Jodi as "it," which leaves me wondering what the "it" does refer to?
I know none of us could say what we would do in those circumstances, but those two phrases really stand out to me as both disturbing and deeply disrespectful.


Your bare faced lies are “disturbing and disrespectful” Sandra Lean

Pretend Criminologist Sandra Lean Doesn’t Tell A True Story & Never Has! (Part 86)
👇
https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/25/killer-luke-mitchell-guest-blog-pretend-criminologist-sandra-lean-doesnt-tell-a-true-story-never-has-part-86/
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1748 on: February 14, 2023, 09:49:15 AM »
Carrie Walker
Finally got enough courage to watch murder in a small town. Been putting it off for so long as knew there would be the details of what happened to Jodi.
Since watching it my heart has been so broken for Lukes Mum, no one should have to live like she is now especially when in reality she lost her child too 💔
Will be watching the podcasts tonight after work.

Michael Taylor
Carrie. Are you family by any chance?

Carrie Walker
Michael Taylor yes I am.

Michael Walker
Carrie Walker I'm guessing you believe in Luke's  innocence?

Carrie Walker
Michael Taylor isn't that why everyone is here?

Carrie Walker
Michael Taylor been here a few weeks and was very anxious anyone finding out but spoke privately with admin and feel abit at ease. Just didn't want my inbox filling up with a angry mob 🙈.
Glad to be here though. 🩷


Carrie Walker
Lorraine Murdoch Thank you 🩷
From start to finish the whole process was a mess. It's also terrifying to think that those capable of such a horrific crime are still free.


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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1749 on: February 14, 2023, 09:54:26 AM »
Sandra Lean
Kirk Mulholland Each of the searchers - Luke, SK and AW went down in the direction of Jodi's body alone, so there was no-one else to see what they said, did, or saw (I mention "saw" because nobody, other than Luke, can say what he saw, since he was the first to go down, and, we now know that there's a possibility the gran moved Jodi to the position she was in when the police arrived. That would, of course, have been different to the position Luke originally saw her in.)
There's very little detail in the statements about what happened behind the wall - the police were more interested in checking what could be seen from specific distances (to try to claim Luke couldn't have seen Jodi from where he said he did).
A couple of things I found interesting - the gran described what she saw as "like a lump of meat on a butcher's slab" and said that, after she came back over the wall she was "stomping up and down" saying, over and over again, "It's a mess. It's a mess."

Sandra Lean
Kirk Mulholland That was the first thing that came into my mind when I read it. Also, "It's a mess" - she didn't even refer to Jodi by name, or as "the bairn" or any term of endearment whatsoever. It's a mess. What is the "it" that was a mess? I cannot bring myself to believe she was actually referring to Jodi as "it," which leaves me wondering what the "it" does refer to?
I know none of us could say what we would do in those circumstances, but those two phrases really stand out to me as both disturbing and deeply disrespectful.


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Dani Justice
Watched a second time and seeing Scott talk of really disturbing details and truths  you can see him being brave and not becoming emosh and i cant even speak about it at times without becoming upset and overwhelemed. Two very brave souls in Scott and Sandra always clear and loud but truth :)  x


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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1750 on: February 14, 2023, 01:21:22 PM »
Liar Corinne Mitchell even says the reason her killer son Luke Mitchell left at 5:40pm was ‘to sit at the end of our street’

04:18

But killer Luke Mitchell never sat at the end of Newbattle abbey crescent and was never seen sitting in Newbattle abbey crescent

This narrative has been concocted - it never happened

Corinne Mitchell has added on 10 minutes since May 2010

Luke was in the house between 5 and 5.30 ....eating his dinner. And here lies the problem they say we are lying

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/shirleymckie/luke-mitchell-new-thread-t600-s40.html
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1751 on: February 14, 2023, 01:25:52 PM »
What innocence fraud pusher Sandra Lean stated/states in her 1st discredited book No Smoke (http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/08/copy-of-chapter-from-sandra-leans-1st-discredited-smoke-mirrors-book-promoting-the-innocence-fraud-phenomenon-of-actually-factually-guilty-killer-luke-mitchell/ ) is

[color=blue]“Other witnesses identified a youth "very like" Luke at the Newbattle end of the path at around 6pm, yet others still described a "mystery man" following Jodi towards the Easthouses entrance to the path.

Luke was positively identified, by some schoolboys who knew him, sitting on a wall at the end of his street in Newbattle, at approximately 5.45pm, and again some 10 minutes later.
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Who witnessed killer Luke Mitchell ‘sitting on a wall at the end of his street’?

Corinne Mitchell also had her killer son Luke Mitchell sitting on a wall in May 2010

The wall Luke was sitting on is at the end of Newbattle Abbey Crescent/Newbattle Road

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/shirleymckie/luke-mitchell-jodi-jones-the-map-t609-s10.html

Yes, thats the wall Luke was sitting on

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/shirleymckie/luke-mitchell-jodi-jones-the-map-t609-s20.html
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1752 on: February 14, 2023, 11:11:30 PM »
Ana Azaria
I haven't come across anything that mentions DF questioning JF on this, but JF said a few things that went unquestioned - or couldn't have been possible. He said that while he was at YW's house, AW rang just after 10pm. He remembered that it was after 10pm, because he and AW were watching the 10 o'clock news at the time. He said that AW was pressing YW, looking for Jodi, to the point that he had to take the phone from AW and reassure her. But - AW didn't know that Juj was missing until 10.44pm when Juj called her after finding out that Jodi had not been with Luke, and the ten o'clock news finished at 10.30pm. AW shouldn't have known that Jodi was missing yet. It's possible he made a mistake but this was never looked at either, to my knowledge.

Kerry Tremble Kevan
Ana Azaria that's an absolute disgrace neither points questioned or more scrutinised!


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I presume Ana meant Judith Jones when she wrote ‘AW rang just after 10pm’

Jodi Jones curfew was 10:00pm

Her mother phoning Alice Walker ‘just after 10pm’ to check to see if her daughter was there goes to show yet more of Sandra Lean’s malicious lies and BS.

Jodi Jones was late!

Judith Jones was concerned so telephoned Alice Walker

AW shouldn't have known that Jodi was missing yet

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What is wrong with these people

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Offline faithlilly

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1753 on: February 14, 2023, 11:36:45 PM »
Ana Azaria
I haven't come across anything that mentions DF questioning JF on this, but JF said a few things that went unquestioned - or couldn't have been possible. He said that while he was at YW's house, AW rang just after 10pm. He remembered that it was after 10pm, because he and AW were watching the 10 o'clock news at the time. He said that AW was pressing YW, looking for Jodi, to the point that he had to take the phone from AW and reassure her. But - AW didn't know that Juj was missing until 10.44pm when Juj called her after finding out that Jodi had not been with Luke, and the ten o'clock news finished at 10.30pm. AW shouldn't have known that Jodi was missing yet. It's possible he made a mistake but this was never looked at either, to my knowledge.


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I presume Ana meant Judith Jones when she wrote ‘AW rang just after 10pm’

Jodi Jones curfew was 10:00pm

Her mother phoning Alice Walker ‘just after 10pm’ to check to see if her daughter was there goes to show yet more of Sandra Lean’s malicious lies and BS.

Jodi Jones was late!

Judith Jones was concerned so telephoned Alice Walker

What is wrong with these people

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John [Name removed] wasn’t referring to Judith calling Yvonne Walker after 10pm but Alice Walker.

Judith’s first call to Jodi’s gran was after her phone-call to Luke at 10.38pm.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1754 on: February 15, 2023, 09:57:33 AM »
Ana Azaria
I haven't come across anything that mentions DF questioning JF on this, but JF said a few things that went unquestioned - or couldn't have been possible. He said that while he was at YW's house, AW rang just after 10pm. He remembered that it was after 10pm, because he and AW were watching the 10 o'clock news at the time. He said that AW was pressing YW, looking for Jodi, to the point that he had to take the phone from AW and reassure her. But - AW didn't know that Juj was missing until 10.44pm when Juj called her after finding out that Jodi had not been with Luke, and the ten o'clock news finished at 10.30pm. AW shouldn't have known that Jodi was missing yet. It's possible he made a mistake but this was never looked at either, to my knowledge.

Kerry Tremble Kevan
Ana Azaria that's an absolute disgrace neither points questioned or more scrutinised!


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I presume Ana meant Judith Jones when she wrote ‘AW rang just after 10pm’

Jodi Jones curfew was 10:00pm

Her mother phoning Alice Walker ‘just after 10pm’ to check to see if her daughter was there goes to show yet more of Sandra Lean’s malicious lies and BS.

Jodi Jones was late!

Judith Jones was concerned so telephoned Alice Walker

AW shouldn't have known that Jodi was missing yet

 *&^^&

What is wrong with these people

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A text or call from Judith obviously prompted Alice to contact Yvonne

But Sandra Lean won’t have included ALL the facts needed for the sequence to ‘make sense’

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