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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1950 on: February 22, 2023, 12:30:01 PM »
What exactly does Sandra Lean say in her book about phone call and texts between Corinne, Shane and Luke Mitchell that night?

And did Corinne Mitchell erase her mobile phone records ?

If Shane Mitchell was home that night what exactly, if anything, did he tell police about the torch story and the timings around this?

The police must have also suspected the story psycho killer Luke Mitchell gave regarding his whereabouts from 10pm onwards to be concocted.

Which in turn would have created suspicion around Corinne Mitchell and why she chose to let her 14 year old sadist son Luke go out past his curfew - alone to pretend to search for his ‘missing’ girlfriend
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Offline faithlilly

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1951 on: February 22, 2023, 12:34:45 PM »
A video taken by Alan Murray was taken of the crime scene and played to the jury

The pictures were taken in the early hours of 1 July last year by police photographer Alan Murray, who has visited crime scenes for 27 years

Video footage was also shown to the court and copies of the stills were given to the accused.

The leg of a pair of trousers was wrapped round Jodi's arm and her socks were partly pulled off. Trainers and her jacket were scattered around, along with her spectacles.

Earlier, the jury saw more photographs and video of the road leading to the path where her body was found

The map, which dominates one wall of the courtroom, shows the length of road from Newbattle Abbey College to the north, to the entrance to Roan's Dyke.

A film of the same road was then shown to the jury

Mr Turnbull showed DC Hamilton two CCTV pictures taken on 30 June 2003, the day Jodi died.

One was of Alan Ovens, the partner of Jodi's mother, who was pictured in a nearby filling station. The other was of his car entering the filling station at 4.29pm that day.


Sandra Lean never saw the various video footage either 

The officer explained that Jodi's body was turned over and a close up shot was flashed on the screen.

The video, which was made before the photos were taken, was then played.

Defence counsel Donald Findlay, QC, didn't cross-examine the officer.


Considering that L&B went to the effort of obtaining CCTV evidence of AO and also Corrine Mitchell it’s odd that they didn’t go that extra yard and request the CCTV images of AB from the supermarket etc. I believe that legally CCTV footage only needs to be retained for 30 days so was AB’s initial statements thought of so little value that no evidence of the sightings was sought? Was it the lack of DNA evidence against Luke that forced the police to look at previously discarded witness statements in order to cobble together a case against Luke?
« Last Edit: February 22, 2023, 01:42:38 PM by faithlilly »
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1952 on: February 22, 2023, 12:36:49 PM »
If Shane Mitchell was home that night what exactly, if anything, did he tell police about the torch story and the timings around this?

The police must have also suspected the story psycho killer Luke Mitchell gave regarding his whereabouts from 10pm onwards to be concocted.

Which in turn would have created suspicion around Corinne Mitchell and why she chose to let her 14 year old sadist son Luke go out past his curfew - alone to pretend to search for his ‘missing’ girlfriend

What date were the text messages extracted from psycho killer Luke Mitchell and his lying mother Corinne Mitchell’s phones?

And on what date exactly were the Mitchell families phones seized ?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1953 on: February 22, 2023, 12:40:23 PM »
What date were the text messages extracted from psycho killer Luke Mitchell and his lying mother Corinne Mitchell’s phones?

And on what date exactly were the Mitchell families phones seized ?

Did Corinne Mitchell also wipe her phone history like her psycho killer son Luke Mitchell did - from the point of his murder

THE Jodi Jones murder trial was told yesterday that the record of Luke Mitchell's phone had been wiped out hours after the schoolgirl died.

‘A "Love U" text message from Kimberley Thomson, a former girlfriend of Mr Mitchell's, three days before the murder, had also been deleted, along with Judith Jones's attempt to contact her daughter to tell her she was "grounded" for staying out late
.


Don’t believe he first wiped his phone ‘hours after’

He would have wiped his phone more than once
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1954 on: February 22, 2023, 12:47:03 PM »
What date were the text messages extracted from psycho killer Luke Mitchell and his lying mother Corinne Mitchell’s phones?

And on what date exactly were the Mitchell families phones seized ?

If the police had Derek Morris’s results back on the 1st of July 2003 then they would have become aware of Kimberly Thompson by around the 1st July 2003 and psycho killer Luke Mitchell’s lies by omission regarding KT by this point

This would have been an immediate red flag

Derek Morris, 56, from Lothian and Borders Police technical support unit, said he had carried out tests on Mr Mitchell's mobile phone the day after Jodi's death.

Mr Morris said the phone's record of last numbers dialled showed only one call instead of the usual 10. It was to Mr Mitchell's mother at 39 minutes past midnight. "That was the only one listed. He must have deleted the call register and started again, " said Mr Morris.


As would psycho killer Luke’s lies by omission about his phone call to his mother Corinne Mitchell at 00:31hrs - presuming he didn’t include this in his 22 page statement

Records from the mobile phone company listed a call from Mr Mitchell's mobile to his mother at 31 minutes past midnight. Mr Morris said he thought the records had been deleted between the two calls.
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1955 on: February 22, 2023, 12:52:42 PM »
If the police had Derek Morris’s results back on the 1st of July 2003 then they would have become aware of Kimberly Thompson by around the 1st July 2003 and psycho killer Luke Mitchell’s lies by omission regarding KT by this point

This would have been an immediate red flag

Derek Morris, 56, from Lothian and Borders Police technical support unit, said he had carried out tests on Mr Mitchell's mobile phone the day after Jodi's death.

Mr Morris said the phone's record of last numbers dialled showed only one call instead of the usual 10. It was to Mr Mitchell's mother at 39 minutes past midnight. "That was the only one listed. He must have deleted the call register and started again, " said Mr Morris.



As would psycho killer Luke’s lies by omission about his phone call to his mother Corinne Mitchell at 00:31hrs - presuming he didn’t include this in his 22 page statement

Records from the mobile phone company listed a call from Mr Mitchell's mobile to his mother at 31 minutes past midnight. Mr Morris said he thought the records had been deleted between the two calls.


What other material did Derek Morris manage to obtain from the SIM card

Both the inbox and outbox were empty, but the SIM card revealed a message received on the evening of Friday, June 27, 2003, saying: "Luke its Kim im at ma grans can u phone mi on (number) Love u xKimx" Another message on the SIM card at 10.41pm from Jodi's mother read: "2 wks grounding toad . . . Say bye 2 luke".
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1956 on: February 22, 2023, 12:54:32 PM »
If the police had Derek Morris’s results back on the 1st of July 2003 then they would have become aware of Kimberly Thompson by around the 1st July 2003 and psycho killer Luke Mitchell’s lies by omission regarding KT by this point

This would have been an immediate red flag

Derek Morris, 56, from Lothian and Borders Police technical support unit, said he had carried out tests on Mr Mitchell's mobile phone the day after Jodi's death.

Mr Morris said the phone's record of last numbers dialled showed only one call instead of the usual 10. It was to Mr Mitchell's mother at 39 minutes past midnight. "That was the only one listed. He must have deleted the call register and started again, " said Mr Morris.


As would psycho killer Luke’s lies by omission about his phone call to his mother Corinne Mitchell at 00:31hrs - presuming he didn’t include this in his 22 page statement

Records from the mobile phone company listed a call from Mr Mitchell's mobile to his mother at 31 minutes past midnight. Mr Morris said he thought the records had been deleted between the two calls.


What did Corinne Mitchell’s statement say about the 00:31hrs phone-call - if anything ?
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1957 on: February 22, 2023, 12:56:19 PM »
If the police had Derek Morris’s results back on the 1st of July 2003 then they would have become aware of Kimberly Thompson by around the 1st July 2003 and psycho killer Luke Mitchell’s lies by omission regarding KT by this point

This would have been an immediate red flag

Derek Morris, 56, from Lothian and Borders Police technical support unit, said he had carried out tests on Mr Mitchell's mobile phone the day after Jodi's death.

Mr Morris said the phone's record of last numbers dialled showed only one call instead of the usual 10. It was to Mr Mitchell's mother at 39 minutes past midnight. "That was the only one listed. He must have deleted the call register and started again, " said Mr Morris.


As would psycho killer Luke’s lies by omission about his phone call to his mother Corinne Mitchell at 00:31hrs - presuming he didn’t include this in his 22 page statement

Records from the mobile phone company listed a call from Mr Mitchell's mobile to his mother at 31 minutes past midnight. Mr Morris said he thought the records had been deleted between the two calls.


Were they also deleted from liar Corinne Mitchell’s phone history?

Sounds like it
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1958 on: February 22, 2023, 01:03:35 PM »
Were they also deleted from liar Corinne Mitchell’s phone history?

Sounds like it

There would have been numerous reasons behind the arrest of Corinne and Shane Mitchell for perverting the course of justice
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline faithlilly

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1959 on: February 22, 2023, 01:46:21 PM »
Were they also deleted from liar Corinne Mitchell’s phone history?

Sounds like it

Why do you think that the texts between Jodi and Luke were deleted on Judith’s phone and when did it happened?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1960 on: February 22, 2023, 03:22:45 PM »
I'll endeavour to spend some reading through it.  Your Innocence Fraud work.

On another note and still very much in line with Innocence Fraud and of your other link around narcissism and the blame game. Firstly of course LM that manipulator who was of course outsmarted by the police which in turn will have him never admit guilt. He will forever manipulate in his attempt to prove himself smarter, superior and intellectually above. And those clear similar natures who do the exact same. Every action is carried out in that attempt to place themselves intellectually above all else. That each and every action should it cause harm to others is by fault of others. That 'they made me do it' syndrome. IF the police had did this, IF the law was like this - --

By far the biggest give away in that attempt to place themselves as simply superior is that repetition of - The defence had their hands tied so tightly behind their back that they caught fast the zip one has placed up it.

Ah yes, manipulators where of course Mr Forbes is being used by Mitchell for another purpose, does not quite hit the mark of manipulation out with being manipulated by Mitchell to do his bidding, but certainly has that drive to be noticed and to be correct. I have absolutely no idea where 'planet fantasy' is but the population has found itself a new leader!

I neither have any idea what he is professionally (cough), perhaps Dexter can shed some light? It does not however matter for he brings with him excellent news. That there was not likely to have been nor never will be some wonderful new legal team of bodies reviewing Mitchells case, far less doing anything with it. That other front of course in this plight for support to push for an independent review, is of course just that. These people know there is not chance in hell of this happening, they know that every form of manipulation, those lies and accusations may fool some, but they will never fool those where it actually counts. Proper intellectual bodies who will first and foremost look at everything that has already come to pass before even considering such a thing. And the actions of the accusers of course, that every single thing that they are hiding and burying can not be hidden nor buried, from again, people that actually count.

Further excellent news is of course around Mitchells latest actions, for they are his. Carrying out in part what he claimed was going to happen last year, that of releasing certain areas from his defence papers. Not of course that which should and could always have been released legally (the hiding of the truth will remain so), but anything legal or otherwise to use in this attack upon innocent people. The complete opposite of what Mitchell fronted last year, of not wanting others to be treated as he was (claimed).

Whilst there is no longer any legal requirement to admit guilt thus carry out any rehabilitation against offence, there has to be that of exemplary character and of victim empathy courses. Mitchell given Forbes his defence papers to use anything illegally to attack innocent people, victims family and so forth - Will place Mitchell still in that high risk category. It is just under two years until that first application can be placed with the parole board, where is LM just now? Certainly not in an open prison or well under way to being rehabilitated for life on the outside, is he? And these latest actions and attempts of solely given someone his defence papers to breach laws is not going to fair well, is it?

A final thought for now. So those who have joined this support who are still NOT requesting that everything that could and should have been legally disclosed, should be done. Every single thing pertaining directly to LM and his mother. Every single word of every statement/interview along with CM's full court testimony. But there is also something else here and that of funding and what you are being told It could be used for. Here is something that it should already have been used for, stemming back to the days of the WAP, from funds obtained then.

But let us run through who first of all has had anything to do with the original forensics, those tests and results. We start with the experts who first carried these out. We move to the police who had expert advice on each and every test and report. We move to the Crown and more of the same then we move to Mitchells defence. Everything in order and labelled correctly. These team of professional bodies who deal with forensics and reports, day in and out, year after year. People who have the type of grasp on such things that us mere mortals could only dream of having. DF and any expert advice he was given and the agreement he DID make with the Crown.

We move on to SL and those claims of them being in a mess, that it took years to try and match samples to the correct report, different labs and labelling and so forth. With me so far? That application into the SCCRC who in turn had experts in their field (independent), review those original tests and results, advised and carried out testing from their expertise on viable areas to test! They go back to Mitchell, to SL and she still claims they were in a mess, that by the time of IB going to print that she had still NOT managed to match every sample to the correct report!

Bypass the manipulation, that need to play dumb for purpose of said manipulation, ok? You the supporters have ploughed your monies in. All you need is permission from the person you are supporting, namely Luke Mitchell. No major red tape. Pay for an independent expert in the field of forensics to sort, match, review in full those original tests and further ones by the SCCRC, then get this independent person to give a full independent review of their findings!

In short, everything that could and should already have been done should be done. You are repeatedly told those words over and over. If there is nothing to hide, if there is nothing to be afraid of? - Get those statements, every word of them out there and get those forensics independently reviewed. You seek the truth well get it out there and start again. Not that you of course do not believe Ms Lean nor Mr Forbes, nor Mitchell of course. But be real, there is NOT going to be a new full independent review. This is 2022 and you are being had! Re-testing? This is NOT a cold case, items are NOT retained for ever. I would very much doubt there was anything there in 2018 when that begging bowl first went out, this is 2022 - wake up.

Suzy says;

Why are you as the author so angry?

Admin says;

Have you considered the ‘anger’ you refer to might well be your own?

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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/09/02/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-35/
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1961 on: February 22, 2023, 03:31:40 PM »
Am guessing this is the same Suzy

Suzy Hall
I am a person who would need to be convinced of Luke's guilt as I have never, from the beginning, believed that he committed this henious crime.
Accordingly, I have been researching for quite a while now all available information in the public domain.
Upon reading a blog I did find this regarding the V in the wall and wondered if someone could help me with the following paragraph:-
“This access was easily and instantly found by Luke – who claimed not to know of this V, to have never been in this woodland.  Yet easily located this access in the dark, both the V and the narrow passageway.”
Did Luke claim not to know of V or to have never been in the woods before?
Thanks in advance

Angie Timothy
Luke never denied knowing where the path was and just to clarify Mia didnt go straight to the V , she was someway past the V when she reacted and Luke doubled backed to the V where AW was as she was further behind the others, while Sk and JaJ continued down the path. also its not true that everyone knew about the path/woodland strip, many locals including the two officers on the scene and AB, herself didnt know about it.

Krissy Porteous
I believe the V in the wall has been blown up to be more than it really is…I think it could’ve been any one of the various Vs that Mia alerted to if, j was behind it,I think just because it was the closest way for Luke to get over,everyone immediately thinks that’s how Jody got over or got made to go over and Sandra’s made it really clear there’s other easier ways to get to behind the V.

Ana Azaria
Hi Suzy, the 2008 appeal documents make reference to this: Detective Constable (ML) said that the appellant told her he was aware that there was a hole in the wall at the junction and a small path close to the wall. The arrows were shown on the woodland side of the wall. She asked him if he had been down this route. He said that there was not a very good path and he had only been a short way down."       I have never come across any statement where Luke said he didn't know where the woodland area was. Either way, this wouldn't have had any bearing on his dog reacting at the wall.

Suzy Hall
Ana Azaria thank you! I just wanted to blow this author's claim. I am very much of the opinion that you read the initial statements provided by witnesses. Accordingly, I believe that Mia did react as how all witnesses stated initially

Sharon Indy Sunshine
Thanks, Suzy (You know why) I have never heard that claim as Luke was local and everyone knew the paths woods etc and all the other local areas so it’s a strange claim by the ‘other person’. Luke’s claim was Mia his tracker dog was the one who went to the V, that was also the claim by the other 3 search party members in their first statements before they all changed them to the contrary some weeks later

Suzy Hall
Thanks for the quick reply, I have been leaving comments for the author of the blog but I doubt I’ll get a response

Sharon Indy Sunshine
You are very welcome Suzy and I agree! It’s why we try to avoid it
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1962 on: February 22, 2023, 03:56:06 PM »

Sharon Indy Sunshine
You are very welcome Suzy and I agree! It’s why we try to avoid it


Sharon Indy Sunshine should read the blog - she might slowly start to recognise she is being used and abused by Sandra Lean and duped by her and a sadistic, psychopathic killer

Along with that deluded fantasist and abuser Scott Forbes
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1963 on: February 22, 2023, 04:07:24 PM »
Suzy says;

Why are you as the author so angry?

Admin says;

Have you considered the ‘anger’ you refer to might well be your own?

(See foot here 👇)
https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/09/02/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-35/

Wasn’t there a Suzy who posted on the blue forum - or is this another Suzy?

Suzy 👇
I have, for years, studied everything that is in the public domain regarding this case and I have to say that it’s just confirming my fears that this is Scotland’s biggest miscarriage of justice

20 years would suggest Suzy might have read the blue forum

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Offline John

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1964 on: February 22, 2023, 04:19:56 PM »
Sharon Indy Sunshine should read the blog - she might slowly start to recognise she is being used and abused by Sandra Lean and duped by her and a sadistic, psychopathic killer

Along with that deluded fantasist and abuser Scott Forbes

Mark Kane told me some interesting things about this character.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.