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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #2160 on: February 27, 2023, 06:25:22 PM »
”Mrs Mitchell told the court she returned home about 5.15pm on the day of the murder to find Luke in the kitchen making tea, while Shane was upstairs.

As they ate, Luke told her Jodi had sent him a text message suggesting they meet that night



Krissy Porteous
Inka Oldmoot there’s no way of knowing whether it was Jodi that actually sent those messages to Luke,it’s been proven that she wasn’t actually grounded that day so it puts those messages into question IMO


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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #2161 on: February 27, 2023, 06:26:17 PM »
Mr Turnbull said a range of witnesses, including friends, acquaintances and a platoon commander from Mr Mitchell's Army cadets remembered the accused wearing a Parka before Jodi's death. Mrs Mitchell said the one she had bought was his first.

Did psycho killer Luke Mitchell attend the army cadets after his murder of Jodi Jones?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #2162 on: February 27, 2023, 06:34:25 PM »
Why did Corinne Mitchell tell James English her killer son had been ‘seeing’ Jodi Jones for ‘about five months’?

Sadistic killer Luke Mitchell described himself as the “local weirdo”

'Jodi met him in March. It was a Friday and she was going out with him after school. I think they used to speak in form class and one day agreed to go out.

'After that they were together a lot. 'He wasn't as isolated as he used to be when he was going out with Jodi but he did hang back when she was chatting to us.'

‘But only weeks into the relationship, Jodi became worried about Mitchell's close friendship with Laura Wightman, a girl he would later take to her graveside.
 
‘She added: 'We all knew him from first year but he was isolated and wasn't well-liked but then he changed and started looking a bit grungy.

https://www.thefreelibrary.com/JODI+JONES%3A+HER+SOULMATES+My+Luke+has+all+these+knives+in+his...-a0127512558

MURDER accused Luke Mitchell was two-timing Jodi Jones with a girl who looked 'almost identical' to her, a court was told yesterday.

One of Mitchell's friends had met the other girl. Mitchell spoke very highly of her, it was claimed.

But when the pal, Robert Gilhooly, 17, was later shown a picture of the girl, he thought it was Jodi.

The jury at the High Court in Edinburgh were shown pictures of the two girls.

They also heard that Mitchell, 16, who denies murdering Jodi, was once caught with a knife which, it was claimed, was made for one purpose - killing.

Robert, 17, of Livingston, West Lothian, said Mitchell used to visit his father in the town at weekends and he became friendly with him.

He was then shown two knives which he recalled having seen in Mitchell's possession.

Robert said: 'Personally, I have a dislike for knives because my brother was attacked with one. I just expressed my opinion I didn't appreciate it.'

He explained that around Christmas 2002 he had met Mitchell with a girl called Kim.

In the spring of last year, Mitchell started going out with Jodi and Robert believed he was seeing both girls at the same time.

He added: 'He (Mitchell) mentioned they looked alike and he just said they were almost identical.'

Advocate depute Alan Turnbull, QC, then put up pictures of Jodi and Kim on a screen and asked: 'The very first time you looked at the photo of Kim,who did you think it was?'

Robert said: 'I though it was Jodi.' Mr Turnbull asked: 'After the killing of Jodi, did Luke say anything to you about hearing from Kim?'

Robert said: 'I think I asked Luke what Kim had said and I'm sure he said Kim had texted or phoned him and said he had a lot of explaining to do.'



What did sadistic killer Luke Mitchell tell his mother Corinne Mitchell about his 79 plus telephone calls and text messages to Kimberly Thomson ?
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Offline Mr Apples

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #2163 on: February 27, 2023, 06:36:27 PM »
Scratch the surface and there it is….racism. Are you a Protestant by any chance?

You have made, what, in excess of eighteen thousand posts on this forum? I wonder how many of them are under three lines and completely fatuous, like the above? Such a tragic waste of bandwidth.

Offline faithlilly

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #2164 on: February 27, 2023, 06:41:50 PM »
You have made, what, in excess of eighteen thousand posts on this forum? I wonder how many of them are under three lines and completely fatuous, like the above? Such a tragic waste of bandwidth.

I notice you failed to answer. I do sometimes wonder about some members apparent need to demonise every action of the Mitchell family. What do you know…it was racism and bigotry all along. All rather sad.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #2165 on: February 27, 2023, 06:54:18 PM »
Did Corinne Mitchell also buy her killer son the balaclava ?

Was the balaclava for camping and did the police seize this during their house searches ?
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Offline Mr Apples

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #2166 on: February 27, 2023, 07:00:42 PM »
I notice you failed to answer. I do sometimes wonder about some members apparent need to demonise every action of the Mitchell family. What do you know…it was racism and bigotry all along. All rather sad.

Your mask is slipping, Erik (a). Êtes-vous d'accord?

Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #2167 on: February 27, 2023, 07:35:44 PM »
Has Corinne Mitchell ever discussed her adoption and the impact this may well have had on her reasoning for choosing to lie for her killer son and become his accomplice?
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Offline Bullseye

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #2168 on: February 27, 2023, 07:42:59 PM »
I spoke to a woman from Whitburn on youtube & messenger a few months back whose younger sister was called as a witness to court. This woman told me that her wee sister had a photo of LM wearing the parka at a concert circa May '03, and that Jodi and some other friends were in this photo too. This girl was adamant  that this photo was shown in court as evidence. Also, the woman indicated that KT was a witness at court on the same days as her wee sister, and that KT had a photo of LM wearing a parka from circa February '03, which was also shown in court as evidence (incidentally, there is an old post from KT communicating with another forum member on another website where she clearly states that he definitely did own a parka pre-murder; in this same post, she also said that LM was a good liar and very smart). Interestingly, the Whiburn lass also told me that CCTV footage from St David's High School was also shown in court to prove he owned that parka before the murder. Some posters on here think that these photos & cctv footage weren't produced in court as evidence because it was never mentioned in the press and that vital evidence such as this would've been reported immediately. However, not all journalists were at this trial every day and so it's possible this evidence went unnoticed, or the journalists who were there when this evidence was presented in court didn't place as much importance on it (journalists have their own thoughts & interpretations on what they deem vital information, and, besides, some journos are much better at their jobs than others).

I have no reason to not believe this woman. Besides, none of us on here were at the 42-day trial, were we?

Do Scott and Sandra not have all the evidence that was used in court, including transcripts etc. They would also have copies of these statements and photos/cctv if it existed. So why would they say Luke did not have a parka and push that statement so strongly over the years, seems very risky if there is evidence to the contrary.
I personally would not believe such important information from some random person on the internet without proof like the picture in question. If these photos did exist and they definitely from before the murder then that would be case closed for me, would prove Luke and his mum to be lying, a jacket to be missing and his current his legal team to be liars and almost knowing trying to get a child killer off.
Sorry I don’t believe it, would love for it to be true though as it would mean for me the correct person is locked up.

Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #2169 on: February 27, 2023, 07:47:31 PM »
Ana Azaria
Krissy Porteous Yes, the Police took the green bomber jacket from him at the Police station after the body was found


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Her name is Jodi Jones!
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #2170 on: February 27, 2023, 07:50:06 PM »
Has anyone applied to the FOI yet for the LM 22 page statement?  I'm keen to do it but don't want to waste time if it's unlikely to get a positive response.

How to make a freedom of information requests for a copy of psycho killer Luke Mitchell’s 22 page witness statement and copies of other transcripts
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/23/convicted-killer-luke-muir-mitchells-22-page-witness-statement-freedom-of-information-request-part-166/
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Offline Parky41

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #2171 on: February 27, 2023, 08:43:29 PM »
Do Scott and Sandra not have all the evidence that was used in court, including transcripts etc. They would also have copies of these statements and photos/cctv if it existed. So why would they say Luke did not have a parka and push that statement so strongly over the years, seems very risky if there is evidence to the contrary.
I personally would not believe such important information from some random person on the internet without proof like the picture in question. If these photos did exist and they definitely from before the murder then that would be case closed for me, would prove Luke and his mum to be lying, a jacket to be missing and his current his legal team to be liars and almost knowing trying to get a child killer off.
Sorry I don’t believe it, would love for it to be true though as it would mean for me the correct person is locked up.

Bullseye, what if SM stepped forward with a picture and said at the same time he remembered seeing his brother home? Both of these were game changers to yourself, would that just keep you on the fence?

This sitting on the fence where you are saying that you believe fully that both Ms Lean and SF's do nothing but tell the truth? Why the hell are you on any fence? If you believe everything they say to be true then there is no fence - Absurd.

Abrupt I know, but come on now, one cannot have it all ways, can they now? - They do not hold the CCTV footage, they do not hold the physical recordings of the taped interviews, at least, that is what they claim? Ms Lean says 'maybe the police FW the CCTV recording to another point' Ms Lean says that she has NOT heard the recordings but seen the transcripts of the calls. Not and never held the full court transcripts of the trial itself, and how do we know this? Firstly Ms Lean stated this as fact, that to have such would have cost the price of a small mortgage, then we can move to AO's, could not say if he had been a Crown witness or not?

And we know what they class as evidence is not evidence at all other than existence. We have the statement of RK to back this up, not in the defence papers, no reason to be there. We have multiple missing phone logs for and again, no reason to be there. They are defence papers which mainly consist of the case that DF put forward. From all that he had access to, such as seeing the physical copy of all phone logs, statements in their entirety, vital precognitions and on that list goes.

The actual reason for that agreement, the manipulation around this alone. The carefully worded manipulation "Another source made the Mitchell's aware of an agreement to not discuss the DNA evidence" Now let us apply the correct term here. The AD with DF made an agreement in front of Luke to not continue further with DNA that was not going to be used as evidence"

Subtle, but changes the meaning entirely. By not saying who the source is gives room for not acknowledging the actual reason, applying the word "evidence" when it was not evidence of anything other than existence.

"You'd think if they had all that DNA evidence they would have used it?" Quite so, they would have, IF it were evidence of anything other than existence. "It makes no logical sense for they did discuss the DNA evidence" Yes it does make perfect logical sense, when the correct term is applied, the actual truth.

Oddly enough, you certainly appear to believe lots with zero proof to back it up other than blind faith? The many people who speak of that coat don't do so for the good of their health, what reason can anyone else have to simply make things up? - Applying being scared, trying to oppose the truth, are not answers, they are teachings!

Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #2172 on: February 27, 2023, 09:17:04 PM »
Has anyone applied to the FOI yet for the LM 22 page statement?  I'm keen to do it but don't want to waste time if it's unlikely to get a positive response.

There is an updated template which can be used and it’s unlikely to get a negative response given the attention the dangerous psycho killer, and his enablers, has generated
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/23/convicted-killer-luke-muir-mitchells-22-page-witness-statement-freedom-of-information-request-part-166/
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Offline Bullseye

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #2173 on: February 27, 2023, 09:17:42 PM »
Bullseye, what if SM stepped forward with a picture and said at the same time he remembered seeing his brother home? Both of these were game changers to yourself, would that just keep you on the fence?

This sitting on the fence where you are saying that you believe fully that both Ms Lean and SF's do nothing but tell the truth? Why the hell are you on any fence? If you believe everything they say to be true then there is no fence - Absurd.

Abrupt I know, but come on now, one cannot have it all ways, can they now? - They do not hold the CCTV footage, they do not hold the physical recordings of the taped interviews, at least, that is what they claim? Ms Lean says 'maybe the police FW the CCTV recording to another point' Ms Lean says that she has NOT heard the recordings but seen the transcripts of the calls. Not and never held the full court transcripts of the trial itself, and how do we know this? Firstly Ms Lean stated this as fact, that to have such would have cost the price of a small mortgage, then we can move to AO's, could not say if he had been a Crown witness or not?

And we know what they class as evidence is not evidence at all other than existence. We have the statement of RK to back this up, not in the defence papers, no reason to be there. We have multiple missing phone logs for and again, no reason to be there. They are defence papers which mainly consist of the case that DF put forward. From all that he had access to, such as seeing the physical copy of all phone logs, statements in their entirety, vital precognitions and on that list goes.

The actual reason for that agreement, the manipulation around this alone. The carefully worded manipulation "Another source made the Mitchell's aware of an agreement to not discuss the DNA evidence" Now let us apply the correct term here. The AD with DF made an agreement in front of Luke to not continue further with DNA that was not going to be used as evidence"

Subtle, but changes the meaning entirely. By not saying who the source is gives room for not acknowledging the actual reason, applying the word "evidence" when it was not evidence of anything other than existence.

"You'd think if they had all that DNA evidence they would have used it?" Quite so, they would have, IF it were evidence of anything other than existence. "It makes no logical sense for they did discuss the DNA evidence" Yes it does make perfect logical sense, when the correct term is applied, the actual truth.

Oddly enough, you certainly appear to believe lots with zero proof to back it up other than blind faith? The many people who speak of that coat don't do so for the good of their health, what reason can anyone else have to simply make things up? - Applying being scared, trying to oppose the truth, are not answers, they are teachings!

I do agree that was abrupt. I fail to understand why people continue to have a go at me for being on the fence? There are loads of of people that feel the same as I do, just not sure if it was Luke or not. That’s why we are discussing things is it not.

I do not believe everything Scott and Sandra say and I fully understand there is no way they have every piece of evidence. There must be other phone records they don’t have etc but a photo used in court of Luke in the parka I would think they would either have or know about. I could well be wrong and as I said I’d love for a photo to be produced.

I don’t think I believe things with blind faith, I like to ask questions on stuff which I think is clear from lots of my posts. I take a lot on board and give it concentration but in this case who knows what to believe on some of the points, that’s why I’d love to see an independent review even though it will probably never happen.

Do you believe or think this talk of a photo is correct, you know a lot more about the case than I do? Is this something you have heard off?

Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #2174 on: February 27, 2023, 09:41:45 PM »
Krissy Porteous
Is there any actual proof that [Name removed]s was in school the last half of the day and then got the school bus home? That she was actually in the house that afternoon,Apart from the jones family st

Inka Oldmoot
Krissy Porteous Based on what is known I would have to accept she had been in her home and had left it at some point that evening, as a witness saw her walking down her street, eg street where her house was.
So I think she did go home after school.
Evidence shows they were sent from her mums phone as Jodi’s phone was broken (broken phone is fact). JUJ was using the phone soon before texts were sent, did not actually see Jodi sending them but I believe she saw Jodi with the phone.
If someone else sent them, then who and why? We know she was walking down her street, we know she was followed by stocky man, so she was alive when she left her home.

Krissy Porteous
Inka Oldmoot all that is known, up to the stocky man,is all statements from the jones family,[Name removed] n JuJ both gave statements she was in the house but one contradicted the other,the witness saw Jodi on lots of days after school,it’s possible she got mixed up(not my suggestion,it was suggested by Sandra in a podcast) as for the texts,who’s and why’s,there are people of the opinion that’s where Luke ‘set up’ began…the texts.  I’m new so I don’t know what I think happened yet,I’m no where near, that’s why I’m asking questions,trying to find out what’s fact,fiction or a mix of both😅


The person who claimed they saw ‘stocky man’ was the one who got mixed up

Krissy and Inka should made a FOI request to obtain the information being hidden by dangerous psycho killer innocence fraud enablers Sandra Lean and Scott Forbes
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/23/convicted-killer-luke-muir-mitchells-22-page-witness-statement-freedom-of-information-request-part-166/
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