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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #2895 on: April 17, 2023, 02:09:17 AM »
you don’t need qualifications to be a carer.

Wouldn’t she have needed a level 3 diploma in health and social care?

And if she was self employed what name did she use with HMRC ?
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Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #2896 on: April 17, 2023, 02:18:58 AM »
Kristy Porteous
What comes to your mind when you think of a FLO-Family Liasion Officer? 🤔 Tell me in the comments!
reading more of Sandra’s book and I was pretty shocked,as was she,to find out that the role of a FLO(Family Liasion Officer) is to investigate the family they are placed with?! I’d always been under the impression that it was in a supportive role and to help them understand how an investigation works in regards to whatever incident they have experienced, Sandra points out she thought it was also to protect them against media intrusion. I hadn’t thought of that but thought that would definitely come into it...
The fact the FLO gave evidence in court against Luke made me feel some type of way, like that was another way his trust was broken and things twisted by someone else who was meant to have his best interests at heart?! and so were the Jones being ‘investigated’ too? It’d be interesting to know what their FLOs observed!! There’s loads they could have missed!Had they been on the ball there’s a pretty good chance that they could have unravelled this case in the correct way!!Something else to keep in mind is that the FLO should have had a colleague there(to witness what/if anything was done/said) anytime she was alone with the Mitchell’s but the FLO visited Luke,Corinne and Shane alone from the evening of the 1st July so nothing was corroborated but a sketch the FLO asked Luke to draw,of the way jodi would have walked, was allowed to be used in court against Luke even though his defence argued it shouldn’t be. The defence went as far as to call the FLO ‘a vixen in the henhouse’, when DF said to her ‘Luke was being viewed differently from the word go.And with that the police operation was a botch up from the word go.’ And she agreed!!! That just says it all to me!



He wasn’t though was he

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There was a FLO investigating the Jones family also
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #2897 on: April 17, 2023, 02:19:59 AM »
Sandra Lean
Dani Justice Two things I was taught growing up - (1) the truth will always out, so better just to tell it from the beginning and (2) if you're gonna lie, you need to have a good memory.
Obviously, whoever wrote the letter on March 31st FORGOT they'd already told us who was responsible, way back in November!!!



So why did you lie by omission and not include the fact you were a self employed carer around the time of killer Luke Mitchell’s murder Sandra Lean ?

“Very naughty - no” your own words Sandra Lean

Why have you sat on this for 20 years ?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #2898 on: April 17, 2023, 02:25:10 AM »
Sandra Lean
Dani Justice Two things I was taught growing up - (1) the truth will always out, so better just to tell it from the beginning and (2) if you're gonna lie, you need to have a good memory.
Obviously, whoever wrote the letter on March 31st FORGOT they'd already told us who was responsible, way back in November!!!



So why did you lie by omission and not include the fact you were a self employed carer around the time of killer Luke Mitchell’s murder Sandra Lean ?

Why did you think your phone was ‘bugged’ and the ‘police following’ you back when you were a self employed carer in 2003/04 Sandra Lean ?

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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #2899 on: April 17, 2023, 02:38:16 AM »
Why did you think your phone was ‘tapped’ and the ‘police following’ you back when you were a self employed carer in 2003/04 Sandra Lean ?

And were you pulled over in your car in 2003/04 when you were working as a self employed carer Sandra Lean?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #2900 on: April 17, 2023, 02:48:37 AM »
And were you pulled over in your car in 2003/04 when you were working as a self employed carer Sandra Lean?

I cannot find anything in your book on your phone being tapped/bugged Sandra?

Only phone tapping appears to be with your nonsense on shaping the families ‘recall’

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“A phone tap was set up on Judith’s phone, to record whatever Corinne said to her. It is hardly surprising that Jodi’s family was re-evaluating every tiny word and action involving Luke and his mother. The police investigators had seventeen months to shape the recall of Jodi’s family members and the development of particular narratives,

Are you aware of your projections Sandra Lean?


in direct contrast to the earliest information, demonstrates just how effectively they did so. It also explains how the family stories came to be so far removed from their original accounts.
(P.57 IB)


It demonstrates no such thing Sandra
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #2901 on: April 17, 2023, 02:59:33 AM »
Sandra Lean
Dani Justice Two things I was taught growing up - (1) the truth will always out, so better just to tell it from the beginning and (2) if you're gonna lie, you need to have a good memory.
Obviously, whoever wrote the letter on March 31st FORGOT they'd already told us who was responsible, way back in November!!!



So why did you lie by omission and not include the fact you were a self employed carer around the time of killer Luke Mitchell’s murder Sandra Lean ?

I cannot find anything in your book about you being a self employed carer around that time Sandra Lean?

Why would you leave that out?

Did Peter Hill know what you did Sandra?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #2902 on: April 17, 2023, 03:11:45 AM »
No

Self employed carer Sandra Lean approached the Mitchell’s

Nope.

Sandra Lean approached the Mitchell family !

It didn’t happen the other way around

Wonder what year they decided between them to pretend Corinne put a note through Sandra’s door - as opposed to Sandra approaching them first
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #2903 on: April 17, 2023, 03:19:19 AM »
Why bother?
Becoming involved in this work was, to me, as natural as breathing –
.
(p.17 IB)

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It’s not funny what you do Sandra Lean but I can believe you’ve spent a lifetime grifting


I saw a wrong and knew I had to do whatever I could to help put it right

This is interesting - especially given you know you haven’t been honest from the very start
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Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #2904 on: April 17, 2023, 03:25:21 AM »
’In June 2003, I was happily running my own business, a Natural Health Centre and had completed a long-term project renovating the old mining cottage that was home to me and my two girls. It was seven years since my marriage to the girls’ dad had ended and at last, life felt good again.
Then, right in the middle of this wondrous new phase of my life, it happened. The brutal murder of a fourteen-year-old girl, just 500 yards from the school my elder daughter attended. We lived in a small village, a satellite in a three-mile radius around the town of Dalkeith, Midlothian. Village and small town life revolves around gossip and inward-looking concerns and our area was no different.
~ Sandra Lean (p.17 IB)

Are you sure this wasn’t written by Michelle Diskin Bates ghost writer Sandra?

Where does the self employed carer stuff fit in (‘Cos it’s relevant) and why did you omit it?

And did you have any previous training/experience in this field ?

If in 2003 you were ‘happily running’ your own business - when did it go down the swannee?

Did ‘life feel good’ when your eldest daughter was living with her father?

Those ‘small town life involves inward-looking concerns’ you refer to - what exactly did you mean ?

And why did you omit the fact you were a self employed carer?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #2905 on: April 17, 2023, 03:49:15 AM »
What month and year did you first approach the Mitchell’s Sandra?

Because the Scotsman gave the impression it was only a few months

Hypocrite Sandra Lean, Red Flags & Unconscionable Behaviour (Part 23)

‘The 2007 Scotsman article included a comment about Sandra Lean where it stated Sandra had spent ‘months researching the case’.
Read here for some context 👇
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/26/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-23/

Then a few months after the Scotsman article Colin Bowman stated of violent and psychologically unstable killer Luke Mitchell;

“There is no proven history of psychological instability or violence”

James English then asked you in 2019:

“So say the first time months before he got his sentence he got charged

Were you around then, or was it after when he went to prison?“


And when you replied to James you stuttered Sandra;

“No I.. I (sic) was involved from September 2003, so ten weeks after the murder”

Why did you stutter ?

And are you 100% certain it was September 2003 when you first approached the Mitchell’s?

Or could you have had a ‘recall’ issue going on maybe?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #2906 on: April 17, 2023, 04:22:07 AM »
Sandra Lean
Dani Justice Two things I was taught growing up - (1) the truth will always out, so better just to tell it from the beginning and 2) if you're gonna lie, you need to have a good memory.
Obviously, whoever wrote the letter on March 31st FORGOT they'd already told us who was responsible, way back in November!!!


Will you be doing another video update Sandra to clarify the month and year you first approached the Mitchell’s and why you omitted the fact you were a self employed carer?

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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #2907 on: April 17, 2023, 04:29:12 AM »
Flipping heck Sandra

Except from IB (p.17-18)
‘The murder of Jodi Jones sent shock waves crashing through a number of interlinked, interdependent small communities encircling Dalkeith. The place was awash with rumour and horror stories. From the moment the news broke, another instant and insidious piece of information began to circulate. The girl’s 14-year-old boyfriend, Luke Mitchell, was the murderer.
As days turned to weeks and no arrest was made, hysteria turned to hostility and quickly hardened into hatred. The boy was a brutal killer, a weirdo, everyone knew it. Why hadn’t they arrested the little b........ yet? Cocky little so and so was walking around as if butter wouldn’t melt....
The original discomfort I felt at the speed of the local condemnation of the boyfriend grew rapidly into a sense of alarm. Everything I saw, heard and read caused me to question the entire investigation, but for vastly different reasons to those I heard in the local stores and bus sheters.   


Bus shelter?

Did you catch the bus to work when you were a self employed carer?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #2908 on: April 17, 2023, 04:36:09 AM »
‘I became intimately involved in the case when Luke’s mother, whom I had never met, put a note through the door of the Natural Health Centre I ran, saying she had heard about my approach to the case and wondered if I could help her family. ~ Sandra Lean (p.17 IB)

September 2003?

You sure Sandra?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #2909 on: April 17, 2023, 04:42:05 AM »
I’ve literally just read this for the first time

This was ‘naughty - no’ Sandra (Your words)

‘Over the next four years, I studied everything I could find, often sitting up until late into the night, reading case papers, websites, legal documents and articles. I made contact with others claiming wrongful conviction and studied their campaigns to have their cases re-examined. Layer by layer, my belief, trust and confidence in the CJS evaporated. This was something so much bigger and so far removed from anything I had ever experienced that, for the first time, I was truly afraid.
If this had all been going on for all these years and I had been utterly oblivious to it, what else might I uncover if I kept looking? But it was too late – already, I could not un-know what I knew and I could not walk away. A wrong was being done – a humungous, unbelievable, inexplicable wrong, which was repeating itself up and down the country, crushing family after family – it was a wrong that had to be put right and, I believed, anyone who could do anything to help had to do what- ever they could.
The piles and piles of documents I amassed in my search for answers somehow turned themselves into a book; No Smoke, the Shocking Truth about British Justice, which highlighted seven cases of convictions where the evidence either clearly pointed to someone else or was so flimsy that it would not have passed a “slight doubt” test, far less a “beyond reasonable doubt” standard.
~ Sandra Lean (IB p.19-20)

Why did you choose to publish this in 2018 and not highlight the fact killer Simon Hall, who you wrote about in No Smoke, had admitted his guilty and was actually, factually guilty all along?

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Sandra Lean
Dani Justice Two things I was taught growing up - (1) the truth will always out, so better just to tell it from the beginning and (2) if you're gonna lie, you need to have a good memory.
Obviously, whoever wrote the letter on March 31st FORGOT they'd already told us who was responsible, way back in November!!!

 *&^^&
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