"Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean

[Nicholas]

Shane Mitchell told the jury on the Monday he didn’t repair his friends car on the 30th June 2003 because the car had been taken elsewhere to be repaired

Yet on the Wednesday he’s telling the jury

Shane Mitchell: I’m always working on peoples cars

Then he says he’s got a sore throat and needs to use the restroom

Was that because he realised he was slipping up?

..and later on, on the Thursday, he was no longer masturbating..

What a mess

And totally unbelievable!

[Nicholas]

..and later on, on the Thursday, he was no longer masturbating..

What a mess

And totally unbelievable!

Shane Mitchell is shifty AF


Shane Mitchell: Well see the days I was interviewed by the police were quite memorable

Alan Tutnbull: Uh huh

Shane Mitchell: As opposed to the day of the murder, which wasn’t very memorable at the time

[Nicholas]

Why did Shane Mitchell drive to Dreghorn for gas when the police station was only a minute or two drive away?

Dreghorn?

Oxgangs is a suburb in the south-west of Edinburgh, Scotland. Surrounding districts include Caiystane, Dreghorn, Redford, Fairmilehead, Colinton and Swanston and Colinton Mains.

Why did SM travel into Oxgangs later that evening, after 9pm to get fuel? As this is why he said he travelled there, to fuel up the car? - Are there any scrap merchants near Oxgangs that SM used? A mechanic having access to this place?  Why Oxgangs for fuel? there were many other stations to get fuel? Tesco just up the road? Was SM disposing of evidence? Why was CM's car spotted elsewhere? Was SM driving it? When she claimed to be home all evening? What are these new claims that her car was at the West end of this path later that evening? only being heard now? - Why are we not hearing about these reports from these witness's who came forward?

Sounds like Shane Mitchell went to get gas even later than 9pm

Why did he need to get fuel when he only had such a short distance to drive? - Dalkeith police station was only a 2-3 minute drive

[Nicholas]

The 9:57pm call from the Mitchell’s landline telephone was to a number in Bathgate

The 9:57pm was made by Shane Mitchell

Shane said he didn’t hear the news about Jodi Jones until his mother Corinne Mitchell phoned him and woke him up to take clothes to the police station

Why didn’t Shane Mitchell see killer Luke Mitchell at 10pm?

I'd written a reply to this thread a few days ago, but, to my frustration, it never made it on to the boards (the joys of using a mobile phone). Anyway, just briefly: I believe that SM's continual reticence post-trial can be apportioned to him knowing his brother did it and that he was involved in the disposal of incriminating evidence on the night of June 30th, 2003 (why was he in Oxgangs, a suburb that was 7 miles away from his then home in Newbattle, that night getting petrol? And why was Corinne's maroon Vauxhall Frontera car at the Newbattle entrance to RDP on the night of June 30th, 2003? Was Shane driving it as CM was drinking alcohol that night ?). Then there is the farcical attempt of trying to concoct an alibi which CM dragged Shane into; SM literally changed his story regarding his brother's whereabouts on 30.06.03 3 three times in the space of a couple of days -- one of his accounts in July '03 was a direct result of being coached by CM as to what to say to police -- and then reverted back to his safe default "I don't know" stance when the going got tough on 14.04.04 under police questioning. But, for me, SM's testimony in court tells you all you need to know regarding his brother's guilt.

Shane Mitchell definitely had the time to be helping to dispose of incriminating evidence

And he comes across as the type of person who would do this no problem

[Nicholas]

Alan Turnbull: We’ve got some way to go with all of this Mr Mitchell, but I want you to reflect on the question of whether Luke was there when you went down. Would you do that?

Shane Mitchell: Okay

Alan Turnbull: And what’s your answer at this stage?

Shane Mitchell: To the question (incomprehensible)

Alan Turnbull: To the question of whether Luke was there when you went down?

Shane Mitchell: I can’t give you a definite answer

Alan Turnbull: Do you think he was there?

Shane Mitchell: It’s not my place to think sir

 

What a complete and utter moron Shane Mitchell sounds like

Is this also something Corinne Mitchell told Shane Mitchell ?

[Mr Apples]

As if it can’t get worse

Alan Turnbull: We’ve got some way to go with all of this Mr Mitchell, but I want you to reflect on the question of whether Luke was there when you went down. Would you do that?

Shane Mitchell: Okay

Alan Turnbull: And what’s your answer at this stage?

Shane Mitchell: To the question (incomprehensible)

Alan Turnbull: To the question of whether Luke was there when you went down?

Shane Mitchell: I can’t give you a definite answer

Alan Turnbull: Do you think he was there?

Shane Mitchell: It’s not my place to think sir

 



What a complete and utter moron Shane Mitchell sounds like

Totally. "It's not my place to think, sir." Wow! Absolutely absurd. What kind of reply is that?!!! The fact he couldn't even muster the courage to lie, or be liberal with the truth somewhat, and say something along the lines of, for example, " I think my brother was there." He knew, as did AD Turnbull & L Nimmo Smith, he was lying. The jury must've realised during Shane's testimony that Luke's time as a free man was up. I do wonder, however, if Shane had said he did see Luke when asked that question if the verdict would have been different.

[Vertigo Swirl]

All interesting stuff but my question is - if SM went as far as disposimg of incriminating evidence for his brother then why not also give him a definitive alibi and say he was definitely at home at the time in question?

[faithlilly]

Totally. "It's not my place to think, sir." Wow! Absolutely absurd. What kind of reply is that?!!! The fact he couldn't even muster the courage to lie, or be liberal with the truth somewhat, and say something along the lines of, for example, " I think my brother was there." He knew, as did AD Turnbull & L Nimmo Smith, he was lying. The jury must've realised during Shane's testimony that Luke's time as a free man was up. I do wonder, however, if Shane had said he did see Luke when asked that question if the verdict would have been different.

If Shane was involved in any way in protecting his brother why not just lie? The fact that he didn’t, for me, lends credence to his statements rather then takes it away.

[faithlilly]

From Shane’s examination in chief.

Turnbull…Okay it’s always been true that you didn’t hear music being played from the dining room.
Shane….Yes

Shane…Can I ask a question? Did I ever say I heard music coming from the dining room?

Turnbull….No. No you didn’t, you’re quite right.

Sneaky.

[Nicholas]

From Shane’s examination in chief.

Turnbull…Okay it’s always been true that you didn’t hear music being played from the dining room.
Shane….Yes

Shane…Can I ask a question? Did I ever say I heard music coming from the dining room?

Turnbull….No. No you didn’t, you’re quite right.

Sneaky.

Yes wasn’t he - and Alan Turnbull pulled Shane Mitchell up on his sneakiness after Donald Findlay had finished with him



Alan Turnbull: Do you remember what you pointed out to me yesterday, just towards the tail-end of the questions I asked you this morning?

Shane Mitchell: No

Alan Turnbull: Do you remember that you pointed out to me, you said “Wait a minute, have I ever said I heard music” Do you remember you pointed that out to me ?

Shane Mitchell: Yes

Alan Turnbull: And I pointed out..

Shane Mitchell: Because I was wondering why you were asking about me about music all the time

Alan Turnbull: Exactly. Well you see I know why I’m asking you about that a s the ladies and gentlemen probably do as well. But the point is Mr Mitchell, you knew that in all of these interviews and all of the hours of discussions you had with the police, you had never said to them that you’d heard music being played. Ian that right?

Shane Mitchell: Yes

Alan Trumbull: That’s what you pointed out to me. Amd you were correct. Your memory has been pretty good in that matter, hasn’t it?

Shane Mitchell: Yes see the days I was interviewed by the police had been quite memorable

Alan Turnbull: Un huh

Shane Mitchell: As opposed to the day of the murder, which wasn’t very memorable at the time     

[faithlilly]

Yes wasn’t he and Alan Turnbull pulled Shane Mitchell up on his sneakiness after Donald Findlay had finished with him

Of course Shane could have been unaware of Luke’s presence if he was in the kitchen and Shane hadn’t looked there. Turnbull knew this. He couldn’t, however, have missed music playing.

It’s the dishonesty that sticks in one’s throat.

[Nicholas]

Of course Shane could have been unaware of Luke’s presence if he was in the kitchen and Shane hadn’t looked there. Turnbull knew this. He couldn’t, however, have missed music playing.

It’s the dishonesty that sticks in one’s throat.

Shane Mitchell: As opposed to the day of the murder, which wasn’t very memorable at the time     

This didn’t come across well - at all

Red flag right there

Did Shane Mitchell see his killer brother Luke Mitchell at around 6:20pm?

What about at 10pm?

Killer Luke Mitchell allegedly got Shane Mitchell’s torch - from Shane

Yet Shane Mitchell allegedly didn’t know anything about Jodi Jones until his mother Corinne Mitchell phoned him from the police station

 

[Nicholas]

Totally. "It's not my place to think, sir." Wow! Absolutely absurd. What kind of reply is that?!!!

Reading the transcripts isn’t the same as actually seeing and hearing Shane Mitchell say this

[Nicholas]

Yes wasn’t he - and Alan Turnbull pulled Shane Mitchell up on his sneakiness after Donald Findlay had finished with him


Alan Turnbull: Do you remember what you pointed out to me yesterday, just towards the tail-end of the questions I asked you this morning?

Shane Mitchell: No

Alan Turnbull: Do you remember that you pointed out to me, you said “Wait a minute, have I ever said I heard music” Do you remember you pointed that out to me ?

Shane Mitchell: Yes

Alan Turnbull: And I pointed out..

Shane Mitchell: Because I was wondering why you were asking about me about music all the time

Alan Turnbull: Exactly. Well you see I know why I’m asking you about that a s the ladies and gentlemen probably do as well. But the point is Mr Mitchell, you knew that in all of these interviews and all of the hours of discussions you had with the police, you had never said to them that you’d heard music being played. Ian that right?

Shane Mitchell: Yes

Alan Trumbull: That’s what you pointed out to me. Amd you were correct. Your memory has been pretty good in that matter, hasn’t it?

Shane Mitchell: Yes see the days I was interviewed by the police had been quite memorable

Alan Turnbull: Un huh

Shane Mitchell: As opposed to the day of the murder, which wasn’t very memorable at the time     

Red flag 

Shane Mitchell knew exactly why he was being asked about the music

It comes across like he was intentionally playing dumb

[Chris_Halkides]

One wonders whether Mr. Turnbull concerned himself with SK's failure of memory.