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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #5250 on: December 19, 2023, 02:12:04 AM »
Why is that?

I agree. It was him they saw.

It appears they already have Dean Houston’s, Grant Elliott’s, Rosemary Walsh and Lorraine Fleming’s biased on their blogs

For example, there are a few pages from Lorraine Fleming’s testimony included in the below blog

Transcript comparisons
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https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/transcript-comparison-notes.html

Lorraine Fleming gave her evidence on the 1st December 2004

The following day Rosemary Walsh, Dean Houston, Grant Elliott, Andrew Holburn and Carol Heatlie gave evidence

TIMELINE Of When The Majority Of Witnesses Gave Evidence During Murderers Trial (Part 273)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/09/06/killer-luke-mitchell-list-of-dates-when-the-majority-of-witnesses-during-murderers-trial-gave-evidence-part-273/
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #5251 on: December 19, 2023, 02:36:12 AM »
While I'm entirely grateful for the transcripts, the delay between.uploads is a bit frustrating.

Anyway, after reading AH & CH's testimonies, it seems to me that LM was never wearing his padded green waist-length bomber jacket on the NB road after the LF &  RW sighting (i.e., not wearing it between 1745 - 1820). This would make sense as I always thought him getting home after that sighting to change jackets and be back on to the NB road for just before 1800, was a bit of a stretch (although not impossible).

Didn’t fraudster Scott Forbes claim killer Luke Mitchell texted his mother at around 5:45pm ?

Will be interesting to see what productions re: his mobile phone records recorded
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #5252 on: December 19, 2023, 02:44:04 AM »
Transcript comparisons
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https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/transcript-comparison-notes.html

The above blog has been updated btw and is also starting to include bare faced lies published by fraudster Scott Forbes

I wonder if Scott Forbes did put any money aside from the profits from his book?

Him and scammer Sandra Lean could face no end of civil action after all the trial transcripts have been published
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Offline Rusty

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #5253 on: December 19, 2023, 03:46:37 PM »
Has Lean (under her own alias) crawled out from underneath her stone yet, to explain to her followers why she lied to them? Or is she now in permanent hibernation?

Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #5254 on: December 19, 2023, 03:59:47 PM »
Has Lean (under her own alias) crawled out from underneath her stone yet, to explain to her followers why she lied to them? Or is she now in permanent hibernation?

“…injured in an attempt to make sense of this tosser of word salad. And for us humans, sanity is a fragile thing - don’t risk it trying to make sense of the utter nonsense….”~ scammer Sandra Lean - 18th December 2023

Felony Bitchforks
@RuthLessTWAM
Within 24 hours.
You know, this is far too serious a subject to be playing games. You're either invested in obscuring real killer, or using this as an investigative larp. It's sick. You back nothing up & still strut around with the pompous arrogance of a bantam
11:30 PM · Dec 7, 2023

Innocence Fraud Watch
@InnocenceFraudW
These are your projections Ruth
@RuthLessTWAM
Stop projecting & answer my question
11:37 PM · Dec 7, 2023

Felony Bitchforks
@RuthLessTWAM
After this, answer mine -
I'd expect blood in his hair, in his ears, under nails
I'd want to know what happened to his balaclava- burning in a garden incinerator so small don't cover it.
I'd expect she would have got some good digs into him at least. I'd expect his blood & saliva
11:42 PM · Dec 7, 2023

Felony Bitchforks
@RuthLessTWAM
At the scene.
I'd definitely expect witnesses, for someone to have a story about seeing him bloody
I'd expect blood in the home & walk home, blood in shoes - if not, where are they? They can't disappear.
You ever been forensicly exam'd by police?
11:43 PM · Dec 7, 2023

Innocence Fraud Watch
@InnocenceFraudW
Why blood in his ears? Sounds like you’ve been watching too much TV Ruth!
How many females do you know who go around with blood under their nails after inserting menstrual products? Sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell had plenty of time to wash his hand and under his nails🙄
11:58 PM · Dec 7, 2023

Felony Bitchforks
@RuthLessTWAM
Omfg... seriously, I've engaged with garden tools with a greater cognitive function.
Having a period - small amounts of blood in one location
She had 5-7 LITRES of blood, most had left her body by time of death according to the PM
How the living f..k does that happen without...
12:01 AM · Dec 8, 2023

Felony Bitchforks
@RuthLessTWAM
Arterial bleeds? Arterial bleeds haemorrhage, spray
Cutting poor Jodi's throat again & again requires close contact while she exhaled blood particles. A handwash won't cover it!
Blood in eyes, in ears, along every hair and lash
That's one of the most abysmal, embarrassing things
12:07 AM · Dec 8, 2023

Innocence Fraud Watch
@InnocenceFraudW
Are you *really* claiming someone can get “4-6 litres” of blood under their nails Ruth? Do give over!
Blood is blood & sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell had plenty of time to wash his hands and under his nails in any of the nearby rivers & streams
12:37 AM · Dec 8, 2023


Ruth J Gould aka Felony Bitchforks 3d Facebook
Apparently this person is a regular campaigner against Luke Mitchell.
She is so bewilderingly dense, she suggested Luke, in this mad ten minute massacre of his girlfriend, escaped and got back home without being seen covered in blood because he found a stream to rinse off her blood.
She compared the estimated 4-6 litres of blood to a woman having her period.
I lost two litres of blood having a baby. I don't think anyone has any concept of what that much blood looks like unless you've seen it. Periods are a good example- the average amount lost is tiny, but it will look a lot more.
Is this the calibre of his hate club? It looks like it
https://twitter.com/RuthLessTWAM/status/1732905460661960776?t=q3ji0oOsQdjqYE6VQPKXwQ&s=19

Sandra Lean - 1d Facebook
I decided, today, to consult my garden tools - you know, being old and frail now, I'll probably need some guidance. Told the trowel and the rake first, then all of the other garden tools joined in - some of them were just plain confused - the older ones laughed their heads off. So now, I have some poor garden tools, injured in an attempt to make sense of this tosser of word salad. And for us humans, sanity is a fragile thing - don't risk it trying to make sense  of the utter nonsense that is the combined output of this tiny group of ... I don't even know what their official title would be??? Thank you, Ruth J Gould for making me laugh out loud with the original response!!!

Kath Green Seath
Sandra Lean I can see a comment going up shortly about you and your garden tools 🤣

Laura Francis
Not sure if it's them but seems like 'innocence fraud' (on FB) oh they do my head in... They pop up on every public post about Luke and always just share the same word waffle articles every time. I went onto one of the links and read it and it was literally just a load of words put together, there was no coherent sentences and if you question them they just say 'ask Sandra bout the evidence in court that she fails to mention'... I think I lose at least 10 brain cells every time I interact with them 😵‍💫

Ruth J Gould
Laura Francis yes! That's exactly it. Articles with headlines like 'proof corrine Mitchell is a liar!' and the article is just talking about how a journalist wrote her age down wrong. Relentlessly idiocy

Heather Lungley
It is the same one Laura Francis, she’s also a lurker on this group. She lurks under a pseudonym of course, one of many she uses. Anyone who speaks out against her ramblings, she trawls through their Facey profiles and puts up their photos and more word salad rants about them. It is absolutely pointless trying to engage and have a sensible dialogue😏

Danielle Bbarclay
Best ignoring
It's better for the campaign if we do not give these things any attention.  Small grain of sand they are. Not significant at all. This campaign is stronger and bigger than wee these wee farts x

Ruth J Gould
Danielle Bbarclay I know what you mean, and agree. I do think tho, it's kinda relevant sometimes to point out just how laughably stupid their theories are tho.
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Offline Rusty

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #5255 on: December 19, 2023, 04:56:03 PM »
They are not the sharpest tools in the box, are they?

And who uses a trowel in December? Utter nonsense.

Danielle, you don't have a campaign, the case is closed.

Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #5256 on: December 19, 2023, 05:09:36 PM »
They are not the sharpest tools in the box, are they?

“…injured in an attempt to make sense of this tosser of word salad. And for us humans, sanity is a fragile thing - don’t risk it trying to make sense of the utter nonsense….”~ scammer Sandra Lean - 18th December 2023

Scammer Sandra Lean seemingly knows many of the people who once fell for her innocence fraud are experiencing cognitive dissonance

Cognitive dissonance the state of having inconsistent thoughts, beliefs, or attitudes, especially as relating to behavioural decisions and attitude change.

She appears to be warning her “marks” to ignore her bare faced lies and carry on regardless
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #5257 on: December 19, 2023, 05:13:36 PM »
And who uses a trowel in December? Utter nonsense.

Danielle, you don't have a campaign, the case is closed.

Sandra Lean - 1d Facebook
I decided, today, to consult my garden tools - you know, being old and frail now, I'll probably need some guidance. Told the trowel and the rake first, then all of the other garden tools joined in - some of them were just plain confused - the older ones laughed their heads off. So now, I have some poor garden tools, injured in an attempt to make sense of this tosser of word salad. And for us humans, sanity is a fragile thing - don't risk it trying to make sense  of the utter nonsense that is the combined output of this tiny group of ... I don't even know what their official title would be??? Thank you, Ruth J Gould for making me laugh out loud with the original response!!!



I was using garden tools in my teens, even before my teens

The people who get to know Sandra Lean will know she uses a lot of word salad

Word Salad: How Narcissists Manipulate People With Their Speech
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https://medium.com/@lessonaya/the-dangers-of-narcissistic-word-salad-what-it-is-and-how-to-deal-with-it-541084a46ac9

How To Weed Through A Narc’s “Word Salad”
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https://medium.com/@dinamin84/how-to-weed-through-a-narcs-word-salad-11e10865e96c

What is Narcissistic Word Salad?
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https://abusewarrior.com/abuse/narcissistic-word-salad/
« Last Edit: December 19, 2023, 05:25:27 PM by Nicholas »
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #5258 on: December 19, 2023, 05:27:29 PM »
Killer Luke Mitchell: Will Fraudsters Sandra Lean & Scott Forbes Be Withdrawing Their Innocence Fraud Books Now Their Bare Faced Lies Are Being Exposed? (Part 310)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/12/19/killer-luke-mitchell-will-fraudsters-sandra-lean-scott-forbes-be-withdrawing-their-innocence-fraud-books-now-their-bare-faced-lies-are-being-exposed-part-310/
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #5259 on: December 19, 2023, 05:40:07 PM »
I don’t know why they weren’t all published together

It appears they already have Dean Houston’s, Grant Elliott’s, Rosemary Walsh and Lorraine Fleming’s biased on their blogs

I stand corrected 👇

Ana Justice
@AnaJusticeLM[Name removed]
IB page 238: "It is possible that this was how (RW's) first reference to the jacket came to exist, especially since all of the other evidence had Luke wearing a green bomber jacket with orange lining." - Why would the author make this statement if she has the transcripts?
4:58 PM · Dec 19, 2023

Ana Justice
@AnaJusticeLM[Name removed]
Evidence for the other two boys on bikes was not transcribed - meaning no one has those transcripts. How then could Dr Lean say that they saw Luke wearing a bomber jacket? (IB 127) Even if she was referring to statements, AH said it was "definitely, definitely a shirt".
5:16 PM · Dec 19, 2023
https://twitter.com/AnaJusticeLM[Name removed]/status/1737159894296350787


Scammer Sandra Lean (page 127)👇

“Just before six o’clock, Luke was identified by people who knew him, sitting on a wall at the end of his street, 400 – 500 metres further along the Newbattle Road, wearing completely different clothes (baggy jeans, green bomber jacket with orange lining and distinctive, light coloured snowboarding boots).

 *&^^&
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #5260 on: December 19, 2023, 08:34:23 PM »
Killin’ Time 19 - All wrapped up….apart from the eBook
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https://youtu.be/TEsUl0tuLlQ?si=EK4fex4URjffYZZg
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Mr Apples

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #5261 on: December 19, 2023, 09:05:08 PM »
If he went home at 1820 Shane Mitchell would have seen him

Do you recall Shane referring to his killer brother being in the garden during his trial testimony?

Was Shane Mitchell referring to killer Luke Mitchell having fires in the garden?

There didn’t seem to be much in the Mitchell’s garden, apart from pampas’s grass, a burner and table and chairs - what else could a 14-15 year old be doing in that garden?

I don't think SM would've told anyone if he had seen his brother at 1820 - 1830. I think he would've been coached by his brother & mother not to say anything when he went back home at the aforementioned time.

I can't recall reading SM saying/implying anything about his brother being in the garden on the evening of 30.06.03. Perhaps I should re-read his full transcript.

Offline Kenmair

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #5262 on: December 19, 2023, 09:09:04 PM »
I stand corrected 👇

Ana Justice
@AnaJusticeLM[Name removed]
IB page 238: "It is possible that this was how (RW's) first reference to the jacket came to exist, especially since all of the other evidence had Luke wearing a green bomber jacket with orange lining." - Why would the author make this statement if she has the transcripts?
4:58 PM · Dec 19, 2023

Ana Justice
@AnaJusticeLM[Name removed]
Evidence for the other two boys on bikes was not transcribed - meaning no one has those transcripts. How then could Dr Lean say that they saw Luke wearing a bomber jacket? (IB 127) Even if she was referring to statements, AH said it was "definitely, definitely a shirt".
5:16 PM · Dec 19, 2023
https://twitter.com/AnaJusticeLM[Name removed]/status/1737159894296350787


Scammer Sandra Lean (page 127)👇

“Just before six o’clock, Luke was identified by people who knew him, sitting on a wall at the end of his street, 400 – 500 metres further along the Newbattle Road, wearing completely different clothes (baggy jeans, green bomber jacket with orange lining and distinctive, light coloured snowboarding boots).

 *&^^&

Did anyone ever see LM in the green/orange bomber jacket at 6pm (that he had worn to school)? Where did the bomber jacket theory originate from if not from LM himself and twisted by Lean.

Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #5263 on: December 19, 2023, 09:25:55 PM »
I don't think SM would've told anyone if he had seen his brother at 1820 - 1830. I think he would've been coached by his brother & mother not to say anything when he went back home at the aforementioned time.

I can't recall reading SM saying/implying anything about his brother being in the garden on the evening of 30.06.03. Perhaps I should re-read his full transcript.

Without doubt Shane Mitchell lied by omission

He did make reference to his killer brother being in the garden
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #5264 on: December 19, 2023, 09:27:19 PM »
Did anyone ever see LM in the green/orange bomber jacket at 6pm (that he had worn to school)? Where did the bomber jacket theory originate from if not from LM himself and twisted by Lean.

Which one out of Dean Houston & Grant Elliott claimed killer Luke Mitchell was sitting on a wall - or was this story manufactured also?

Andrew Holburn stated the killer was standing https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/12/andrew-holburn-one-of-three-witnesses.html

“Photography student Andrew Holburn explains he and his two friends were cycling down Newbattle Road, Dalkeith, towards the Jewel and Esk College on Monday, June 30, last year when they saw a young man standing at the entrance to the Roan's Dyke path.

As they passed the youth, Andrew asked who he was. Both his pals said it was Luke Mitchell.

Grant Elliot and Dean Houston, both 15, confirm to the court that they had seen Mitchell on the night Jodi was killed.

All three witnesses identify Mitchell in the dock. Houston, who said he occasionally cycled to school with Mitchell, says: 'I'm sure he was on the phone.'

And Grant Elliot tells the court that Mitchell was still standing at the same spot 20 minutes to half an hour later.
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/THE+JODI+JONES+TRIAL%3A+A+strangling+sort+of+sound%2Ca+human.+It+sounded...-a0125808235

According to the above excerpts the killer was STANDING
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