What Was The Motive?

[faithlilly]

This is what Sandra Lean claims

Does it matter?

[Brietta]

Most of use have quirks and idiosyncrasies to some extent which, if the subject of public debate, others might find odd or peculiar.  When someone is the subject of intense media scrutiny the tabloid press seek to find some material and use to sensationalise.  Those with an open-mind tend to see through it but others with perhaps a narrow world view and a prejudicial mind might struggle.

In this day and age of forensic science I would like to see all criminal cases tried solely on this.

Mitchell had several bottles of urine in his room; why do you think that fact should have been redacted from the inventory?

[Nicholas]

The retaining of the bottles of his own urine under his bed was attributed to PTSD, induced by his finding of Jodi’s body and the stress of being a suspect in the ensuing investigation.

This is what Sandra Lean claims

Does it matter?

Is Sandra Lean qualified to diagnose post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD)?

And doesn’t she say Luke Mitchell has never been diagnosed with a mental health issue?

[faithlilly]

Is Sandra Lean qualified to diagnose post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD)?

And doesn’t she say Luke Mitchell has never been diagnosed with a mental health issue?

I’m only guessing but the PTSD would occurred after the murder so it would not have been relevant with regards to the crime.

Perhaps if you have questions for Miss Lean you direct them to her.

[Nicholas]

I’m only guessing but the PTSD would occurred after the murder so it would not have been relevant with regards to the crime.

Luke Mitchell was assessed after the murder by a psychiatrist

From a CoA doc:

The defence submitted a report by a consultant forensic clinical psychiatrist who concluded that the appellant was not suffering from mental disorder within the meaning of the Mental Health (Scotland) Act 1984..

And Sandra has never published anything suggesting the psychiatrists assessment of Luke Mitchell was wrong!

[Nicholas]

I’m only guessing but the PTSD would occurred after the murder so it would not have been relevant with regards to the crime.

Perhaps if you have questions for Miss Lean you direct them to her.

Do you think I’ll get any sense out of her?

[John]

Do you think I’ll get any sense out of her?

Going by past events...NO

Flogging and dead horse come to mind.

[mrswah]

And how many jurors had an internet connection back then?

Well, it was alleged that Shane Mitchell watched porn on his computer, so presumably quite a lot of people had internet connection!

[mrswah]

Had any of the jurors read about Luke Mitchell prior to them being selected for jury service

I doubt they could have failed to do so.

[William Wallace]

Had any of the jurors read about Luke Mitchell prior to them being selected for jury service

I was a bit surprised at your question, but maybe you did not have an interest in the case 17 years ago and don't live anywhere near the area.

As someone who does live fairly near and read newspapers daily (and still do despite the internet) in 2003-2005, I can assure you 100% that all of the jury will have read dozens of negative articles about Mitchell every other day in the year before the Trial. At that time in Scotland virtually the whole population knew about Mitchell, because newspapers printed a different horror story about him almost daily and that isn't an exaggeration. It was brainwashing on a level with communism and state TV. Obviously I don't remember all of it but here are some examples, many of which were on the front page:

Mitchell is a devil worshipping Satanist
Mitchell is the "Devil's Spawn"
Mitchell killed his previous dog and hung it by a rope from his front door frame.
Mitchell is obsessed with Marilyn Manson
Mitchell has a keen interest in images created by Manson and was fascinated by the "Black Dahlia" murder
Mitchell is a Satanist because he stored bottles of urine in his bedroom
Mitchell killed [Name removed] because he was trying to copy the "Black Dahlia" murder
Mitchell tortured animals as a child
Mitchell is the Son of Satan
Mitchell scribbled Satanic messages on his school books proving he is a Devil worshipper (the scribblings were mostly from the Max Payne computer game, but newspapers never mentioned that).

That's just some. Trust me, there was plenty more. The result? Everyone in Scotland read all of this and 99% of them believed it, including me, so in short....yes the Jury will have read all of this too and discussed it with people in the lead up to the Trial because it was being discussed everywhere. None of the above points were ever found to be true. There was no evidence produced that any of them were true. He did store urine bottles, but the link to him being a Satanist because of that was obviously never proved because it's just plain stupid.

It would be stating the obvious that a fair trial in such circumstances would be impossible but that's another debate.

There was someone else who was a huge fan of Manson, but the Police didn't investigate that. They didn't investigate much really apart from Mitchell. Inspector Clouseau could have done a better job.

[Nicholas]

I was a bit surprised at your question, but maybe you did not have an interest in the case 17 years ago and don't live anywhere near the area.

As someone who does live fairly near and read newspapers daily (and still do despite the internet) in 2003-2005, I can assure you 100% that all of the jury will have read dozens of negative articles about Mitchell every other day in the year before the Trial. At that time in Scotland virtually the whole population knew about Mitchell, because newspapers printed a different horror story about him almost daily and that isn't an exaggeration. It was brainwashing on a level with communism and state TV. Obviously I don't remember all of it but here are some examples, many of which were on the front page:

Mitchell is a devil worshipping Satanist
Mitchell is the "Devil's Spawn"
Mitchell killed his previous dog and hung it by a rope from his front door frame.
Mitchell is obsessed with Marilyn Manson
Mitchell has a keen interest in images created by Manson and was fascinated by the "Black Dahlia" murder
Mitchell is a Satanist because he stored bottles of urine in his bedroom
Mitchell killed [Name removed] because he was trying to copy the "Black Dahlia" murder
Mitchell tortured animals as a child
Mitchell is the Son of Satan
Mitchell scribbled Satanic messages on his school books proving he is a Devil worshipper (the scribblings were mostly from the Max Payne computer game), but newspapers never mentioned that.

That's just some. Trust me, there was plenty more. The result? Everyone in Scotland read all of this and 99% of them believed it, including me, so in short....yes the Jury will have read all of this too and discussed it with people in the lead up to the Trial because it was being discussed everywhere.

It would be stating the obvious that a fair trial in such circumstances would be impossible but that's another debate.

If you can produce a timeline of what newspaper said what and and what date - I might consider some of what you’ve claimed

I am familiar with the fact Luke and Corrine Mitchell chose to be interviewed by Sky news on the day of Jodi’s funeral and the pair of them had spoken to the press before this

[William Wallace]

If you can produce a timeline of what newspaper said what and and what date - I might consider some of what you’ve claimed

I am familiar with the fact Luke and Corrine Mitchell chose to be interviewed by Sky news on the day of Jodi’s funeral and the pair of them had spoken to the press before this

I just spent 20 minutes typing that to give you an understanding of the reality. Do you think I'm going to spend a month trawling through newspaper articles because you don't live in Scotland and didn't read any of it?

If you want to access newspaper archives contact the Daily Record, The Sun, The Scottish Express and The Daily Star kindly do the spadework yourself, unless you want to pay me to do it.

[Nicholas]

I just spent 20 minutes typing that to give you an understanding of the reality

Of your ‘reality’ you mean

[Parky41]

I was a bit surprised at your question, but maybe you did not have an interest in the case 17 years ago and don't live anywhere near the area.

As someone who does live fairly near and read newspapers daily (and still do despite the internet) in 2003-2005, I can assure you 100% that all of the jury will have read dozens of negative articles about Mitchell every other day in the year before the Trial. At that time in Scotland virtually the whole population knew about Mitchell, because newspapers printed a different horror story about him almost daily and that isn't an exaggeration. It was brainwashing on a level with communism and state TV. Obviously I don't remember all of it but here are some examples, many of which were on the front page:

We know what you mean. Let's put that in context. There was mass media attention. The papers however were not full of the headlines you put, leading up to the trial. The stories printed throughout the trial relating to evidence heard, the urine and so forth is irrelevant to the jury, they were hearing this evidence first hand. What the DF article is relating to is internet access of other information that may have influenced a Jury, a Jury whom were allowed to go home.
This type of access and discussion was not anywhere near the scale it was in 2010 to the present day. However:

Of the animals, dogs, Satan, Manson and of trial by media in general - I agree with you wholeheartedly. That 99% of people like you, believed everything they had read in the rags, and in turn they are the very same people, like you again, of which, 99% of you now believe him to be innocent by the very same means. By reading guff? - That this 99% of people the same as you, tried LM on guff and are now trying everyone else again by means of guff? You? are thankfully very much a tiny minority. Therefore the chances of the Jury being made up of 'you' is virtually non-existent? These claims of complete trial by media do nothing more that deflect away from the actual evidence. As that minority who based their guilt solely on this Goth, music taste and so forth were not interested in the actual evidence itself. Completely swayed by sensationalist stories. And are again. Boys cutting off their hair to impersonate themselves on bikes?

You are however correct - as was the decision to hold this trial in Edinburgh. It would not have mattered where it was held in Scotland due to mass media coverage. But please, do not judge others to all be the same as you? 

Mitchell is a devil worshipping Satanist
Mitchell is the "Devil's Spawn"
Mitchell killed his previous dog and hung it by a rope from his front door frame.
Mitchell is obsessed with Marilyn Manson
Mitchell has a keen interest in images created by Manson and was fascinated by the "Black Dahlia" murder
Mitchell is a Satanist because he stored bottles of urine in his bedroom
Mitchell killed [Name removed] because he was trying to copy the "Black Dahlia" murder
Mitchell tortured animals as a child
Mitchell is the Son of Satan
Mitchell scribbled Satanic messages on his school books proving he is a Devil worshipper (the scribblings were mostly from the Max Payne computer game, but newspapers never mentioned that).

That's just some. Trust me, there was plenty more. The result? Everyone in Scotland read all of this and 99% of them believed it, including me, so in short....yes the Jury will have read all of this too and discussed it with people in the lead up to the Trial because it was being discussed everywhere. None of the above points were ever found to be true. There was no evidence produced that any of them were true. He did store urine bottles, but the link to him being a Satanist because of that was obviously never proved because it's just plain stupid.

It would be stating the obvious that a fair trial in such circumstances would be impossible but that's another debate.

There was someone else who was a huge fan of Manson, but the Police didn't investigate that. They didn't investigate much really apart from Mitchell. Inspector Clouseau could have done a better job.

We know what you mean. Let's put that in context. There was mass media attention. The papers however were not full of the headlines you put, leading up to the trial. The stories printed throughout the trial relating to evidence heard, the urine and so forth is irrelevant to the jury, they were hearing this evidence first hand. What the DF article is relating to is internet access of other information that may have influenced a Jury, a Jury whom were allowed to go home.
This type of access and discussion was not anywhere near the scale it was in 2010 to the present day. However:

Of the animals, dogs, Satan, Manson and of trial by media in general - I agree with you wholeheartedly. That 99% of people like you, believed everything they had read in the rags, and in turn they are the very same people, like you again, of which, 99% of you now believe him to be innocent by the very same means. By reading guff? - That this 99% of people the same as you, tried LM on guff and are now trying everyone else again by means of guff? You? are thankfully very much a tiny minority. Therefore the chances of the Jury being made up of 'you' is virtually non-existent? These claims of complete trial by media do nothing more that deflect away from the actual evidence. As that minority who based their guilt solely on this Goth, music taste and so forth were not interested in the actual evidence itself. Completely swayed by sensationalist stories. And are again. Boys cutting off their hair to impersonate themselves on bikes?

You are however correct - as was the decision to hold this trial in Edinburgh. It would not have mattered where it was held in Scotland due to mass media coverage. But please, do not judge others to all be the same as you? 

[Rusty]

Trust me,

Apparently we have to trust some random on the internet, that types a lot, but provides no sources to claims made 

3 weeks and I'm still waiting for a source (that this poster claimed) to whom seen the moped unmanned at the wall.