Minnesota police officer accidentally shoots black driver who attempted to flee stopcheck.

[Wonderfulspam]

That makes you just as evil as any gun toting gang member then.  IMO.

I'm glad you agree the gun toting gang member was evil.

Or maybe the blessed little lamb was just out playing nocturnal cowboys & Indians with his 21 year old friend.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I'm glad you agree the gun toting gang member was evil.

Of course they are, as are you for wanting to shoot dead 13 year old boys who have surrendered.

[Wonderfulspam]

Of course they are, as are you for wanting to shoot dead 13 year old boys who have surrendered.

He didn't surrender fast enough, he had to hide the evidence first.

His problem, not mine.

I side with the law, not criminals. (Christian Brueckner excluded obviously)

[Carana]

On the surface, it seems it would have been easier to simply stop as requested... however, for Black people in the US, survival instinct is to get yourself somewhere well lit with a greater chance of bystanders as witnesses. There was also a contradiction in the orders: to keep his hands in the air and get out of the car. Ok, but he was wearing a seatbelt and couldn't get a word in. If he'd put his hand down to release the seatbelt without express permission, he might not have survived.

[Wonderfulspam]

On the surface, it seems it would have been easier to simply stop as requested... however, for Black people in the US, survival instinct is to get yourself somewhere well lit with a greater chance of bystanders as witnesses. There was also a contradiction in the orders: to keep his hands in the air and get out of the car. Ok, but he was wearing a seatbelt and couldn't get a word in. If he'd put his hand down to release the seatbelt without express permission, he might not have survived.

He could easily have released his seat belt as he pulled in. Before any weapons were drawn.

[Vertigo Swirl]

He didn't surrender fast enough, he had to hide the evidence first.

His problem, not mine.

I side with the law, not criminals. (Christian Brueckner excluded obviously)

The police chased him on foot for 19 seconds before he threw away the gun, he turned round raised his hands in surrender and was then immediately executed.  Is this how you think justice should be meted out in America?  I guess you do. 

[Vertigo Swirl]

He could easily have released his seat belt as he pulled in. Before any weapons were drawn.

How was he supposed to know when weapons had been drawn?

[Wonderfulspam]

How was he supposed to know when weapons had been drawn?

I thought all black people knew cops were out to murder them on traffic stops or whilst just going about their daily business.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I thought all black people knew cops were out to murder them on traffic stops or whilst just going about their daily business.

Exactly.

[Wonderfulspam]

Exactly.

It's not true, it's an irrational fear, unarmed blacks only get killed at a rate of roughly once a month, cops get murdered at higher rate than that.

[Vertigo Swirl]

It's not true, it's an irrational fear, unarmed blacks only get killed at a rate of roughly once a month, cops get murdered at higher rate than that.

https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/fatal-police-shootings-of-unarmed-black-people-in-us-more-than-3-times-as-high-as-in-whites/

[Wonderfulspam]

https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/fatal-police-shootings-of-unarmed-black-people-in-us-more-than-3-times-as-high-as-in-whites/

Yes, the rate is higher than whites. But there are multiple reasons for this, which don't necessarily mean cops are deliberately killing unarmed blacks.

One such reason is higher crime rates in poorer areas & thus, higher police presence in them areas.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Yes, the rate is higher than whites. But there are multiple reasons for this, which don't necessarily mean cops are deliberately killing unarmed blacks.

One such reason is higher crime rates in poorer areas & thus, higher police presence in them areas.

”in those areas”. 

I thought in those liberal, black places they’d defunded the police and so there were far fewer of them?

[Wonderfulspam]

”in those areas”

Thanks.

[Wonderfulspam]

I think the best thing to do is to bring back segregation, give all blacks in the US an area of the country to live in & let them police themselves with a black only police force.