What's Significant About LM Finding J J?

[Paranoid Android]

No I didn't know but you would expect the soc was prime for tyre tracks and/or footprints regardless of rainfall after the event.  The CoA doc describes the environment as having large trees, over hanging branches, foilage and vegetation.  From this it would seem a damp enviroment with some protection from the elements ie rain and sun. It might be that if there was a lot of vegetation and foilage not much bare soil to yield tracks/prints.

Sorry to labour the point, but a great deal has been made of the fact that the crime scene wasn't preserved due to the heavy rain that night, and the fact that the police couldn't erect a tarpaulin in time. - also that the medical examiner called out couldn't get her fat arse over the wall to attend to Jodi.

Genuinely surprised that anyone who has been following the case wouldn't know this.

[Nicholas]

Sorry to labour the point, but a great deal has been made of the fact that the crime scene wasn't preserved due to the heavy rain that night, and the fact that the police couldn't erect a tarpaulin in time. - also that the medical examiner called out couldn't get her fat arse over the wall to attend to Jodi.

Genuinely surprised that anyone who has been following the case wouldn't know this.

Was it to do with the tarpaulin not being erected on time or were the timings down to the logistics of it all ?

[Paranoid Android]

Was it to do with the tarpaulin not being erected on time or were the timings down to the logistics of it all ?

I believe the local police stations at Eashouses and Newbattle didn't have the necessary materials, so they had to have it delivered from the Edinburgh police station at Causewayside.

Once you're at RDP with the materials, it wouldn't have been easy getting it all up the path and erected in the dark in the rain with all the trees and the wall, etc.

You would expect the police to react quicker and better to the scene of a major crime, and I expect they've upped their game since 2003.

[Holly Goodhead]

Sorry to labour the point, but a great deal has been made of the fact that the crime scene wasn't preserved due to the heavy rain that night, and the fact that the police couldn't erect a tarpaulin in time. - also that the medical examiner called out couldn't get her fat arse over the wall to attend to Jodi.

Genuinely surprised that anyone who has been following the case wouldn't know this.

I haven't been following the case.  Still fact-finding!

It seems from my own research that the area had heavy rainfall during the night of 30th June through to 1st July but it seems the crime took place much earlier and I believe the police arrived before midnight?  If so, and given the gravity of the situation, I would expect police to attempt to preserve footprints/tyre tracks at all costs.

[Mr Apples]

 Interestingly there was the maroon Frontera parked up at the entrance. Same make and model as CM's. Also the yellow bike at the school railings at the rear end. Exact type/colour again as that of Mitchells which by some fluke also happened to just disappear! .

So the moped! Again the ground being tested for any pick up of blood trails and certainly none from this bike - but there would not be of course for there was no bike in this strip of woodland and no boys either! This nonsense talk of getting rid of the bike before it could be tested! Again we have to revert back to the Mitchells - the Frontera, the bike at the railings and talk of disposal via a scrap merchant - SM his profession and not being home when he stated he was! Reason given when found out, that he just simply went to fuel the car up around 8 miles from home?

Interesting. Parky41, what are your sources for the sighting of Corinne’s fontera and Luke’s bike? I would be grateful if you could provide a cite for both those sightings. Or are you paraphrasing from info gleaned on another website that discusses this case? I wonder what time someone saw Luke’s bike there? Also wonder at which time Corinne’s Fonterra was spotted at the RDP entrance on N’battle rd? Who was driving it? Corinne before she had a drink? Maybe the stress of helping her son out and the inevitability of what would ensue was too much for her and she hit the drink immediately yo that night? Or maybe Shane was driving it and helping Luke out to destroy incriminating evidence?

Also, could you provide a cite or source for the part about Shane not being home when he said he was, and him being 8 miles away getting fuel? Would really appreciate that.

[Nicholas]

I believe the local police stations at Eashouses and Newbattle didn't have the necessary materials, so they had to have it delivered from the Edinburgh police station at Causewayside.

Once you're at RDP with the materials, it wouldn't have been easy getting it all up the path and erected in the dark in the rain with all the trees and the wall, etc.

You would expect the police to react quicker and better to the scene of a major crime, and I expect they've upped their game since 2003.

What time was it delivered from Causewayside and can anyone post the full details of all the logistics, timings etc?

[Nicholas]

I would expect police to attempt to preserve footprints/tyre tracks at all costs.

So if you were the first police officer to arrive on the scene that night what would you have done to do this? Baring in mind you are also in the company of shocked and distraught family members of the victim ……

Also where would you be expecting to find all these supposed ‘footprints/tyre tracks’ and how do you plan to ‘preserve’ them ?

[faithlilly]

I believe the local police stations at Eashouses and Newbattle didn't have the necessary materials, so they had to have it delivered from the Edinburgh police station at Causewayside.

Once you're at RDP with the materials, it wouldn't have been easy getting it all up the path and erected in the dark in the rain with all the trees and the wall, etc.

You would expect the police to react quicker and better to the scene of a major crime, and I expect they've upped their game since 2003.

It wouldn’t have been easy but they would have been trained for just such an event. Murders that are perpetrated outdoors don’t often happen in spots easily accessible to the police and public.

[Paranoid Android]

It seems from my own research that the area had heavy rainfall during the night of 30th June through to 1st July but it seems the crime took place much earlier and I believe the police arrived before midnight?  If so, and given the gravity of the situation, I would expect police to attempt to preserve footprints/tyre tracks at all costs.

I'm sure the cops would have made every attempt to preserve all aspects of the crime scene including footprints and tyre tracks if there were any.

However, the heavy rain rendered that problematic.

Can you not see that any tracks or prints and indeed all sorts of physical evidence might have been washed away by the heavy rain?

[Paranoid Android]

It wouldn’t have been easy but they would have been trained for just such an event. Murders that are perpetrated outdoors don’t often happen in spots easily accessible to the police and public.

I'm suggesting that the police weren't as well prepared for such an event as they should have been, and that they will have upped their game since then as a result.

[Paranoid Android]

So if you were the first police officer to arrive on the scene that night what would you have done to do this? Baring in mind you are also in the company of shocked and distraught family members of the victim ……

Thank god someone else can see it.

[Nicholas]

Thank god someone else can see it.

Hopefully Holly will come back and answer how she would have done things differently

And again we only have Sandra Leans word about the managing of the crime scene and her word cannot and should not be trusted. She lies - a lot!

[faithlilly]

I'm suggesting that the police weren't as well prepared for such an event as they should have been, and that they will have upped their game since then as a result.

So you are admitting incompetence played a part in the shocking way that the crime scene was handled?

[Paranoid Android]

So you are admitting incompetence played a part in the shocking way that the crime scene was handled?

I've said consistently and often that the cops made an arse of it.

You either haven't been paying attention, or you're being disingenuous.

The fact that the police made mistakes doesn't mean LM didn't murder Jodi.

[faithlilly]

I've said consistently and often that the cops made an arse of it.

You either haven't been paying attention, or you're being disingenuous.

The fact that the police made mistakes doesn't mean LM didn't murder Jodi.

Of course it doesn’t mean that he didn’t but it makes it less likely that any resulting trial will be fair. Surely even you can appreciate that?