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Offline Nicholas

Re: Luke's DNA
« Reply #45 on: July 21, 2022, 03:34:09 PM »
Sandra Lean https://www.facebook.com/1011563515/posts/10224551052176405/


Sandra Lean
Barbara Stone I think you were right the first time - anyone with a heart would feel the same way. How can they possibly justify this, after a confession from the real killer? I wonder how those who've been so diabolical about Mick can look at themselves in the mirror, far less sleep at night.


‘Mick’ being psychopathic serial killer Michael Stone aka Michael John Goodban https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Stone_(criminal)

Sandra Lean is attempting to suggest psychopathic serial killer Levi Bellfield was responsible for psychopathic serial killer Michael Stone’s murders of Lin and Megan Russell and the attempted murder of Josie Russell plus the murder of Lucy the Russell families dog
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Luke's DNA
« Reply #46 on: July 21, 2022, 03:45:47 PM »
Sandra Lean
Barbara Stone I think you were right the first time - anyone with a heart would feel the same way. How can they possibly justify this, after a confession from the real killer? I wonder how those who've been so diabolical about Mick can look at themselves in the mirror, far less sleep at night.


‘Mick’ being psychopathic serial killer Michael Stone aka Michael John Goodban https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Stone_(criminal)

Sandra Lean is attempting to suggest psychopathic serial killer Levi Bellfield was responsible for psychopathic serial killer Michael Stone’s murders of Lin and Megan Russell and the attempted murder of Josie Russell plus the murder of Lucy their dog

Barbara Stone being serial killer Michael Stone’s sister

Stone's sister Barbara, who has always protested her brother's innocence of the Russell murders, said in 1998 that she believed he had indeed killed Jegou, stating: "I don't think he killed Lin and Megan Russell. But I do think he did that murder when he was younger." Explaining, she commented: "When I was about 14 Mick came up to me with a knife in a sheath. He said I was to hide it for him and I buried it. At the time I was just a kid and did what my big brother told me. Years later he said he knew something about the murder. I knew he was up to no good. The killing was his style - it was done by two or more people and Mick never acted alone. It would have been done to get money and, again, that's something he'd have done."

Francis Jegou was a special police constable

https://www.thefreelibrary.com/HORROR+IN+COURT%3A+POLICEMAN+RELIVES+ATTACK+THAT+SUMS+UP+STONE%27S...-a060925549
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Offline Parky41

Re: Luke's DNA
« Reply #47 on: July 21, 2022, 06:12:02 PM »
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Diabolicals quite deliberately report inaccurate, misleading, unfair and outright dishonest information and tout it as “truth.”

Diabolicals defend their lies, half truths and inaccuracies, no matter how harmful, even when presented with factual evidence that their information is inaccurate (or worse).

Diabolicals appear to be incapable of separating fact from opinion and often offer personal opinions as fact.

Diabolicals don’t care about grief, distress or privacy. They will use the grief and distress of devastated families, very often on both sides of the justice debate, simply to further their own aims
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It's my day off Nicholas, no shirt has been ruined in the reading of that very diabolical statement.

One of my points around this not matching samples to the correct report:

P:202 of IB.
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"-----It was (and still is) virtually impossible to tell which results correspond to items originally labelled "visible", or "not visible", or neither"
To:

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"Semen staining on the inside left sleeve of the t-shirt appears to have been visible to the naked eye. It is unlikely that a 14-year-old girl would go out to meet her boyfriend with visible semen staining on it. Since the t-shirt reportedly smelled of washing powder, indicating it was freshly laundered, the conclusion would have to be that the visible stains on Jodi's clothing were deposited either during or after attack - in no way can it be claimed, for example, that a visible semen stain on a t-shirt got there by transfer in a washing machine or rainwater"
  (P:202 IB)

"Incapable of separating fact from opinion and often offer personal opinions as fact"  Furthered with this male, by claiming for many years he had no alibi, that he had only been in the company of his girlfriend JaJ's. Pulled up on this and reminded of the facts, one (SL) said it reality, it did not count that he had been alibied by his father, as she claimed  not to have seen that statement from RK. Pulled up again, with the information in their own statements along with precognitions carried out, one still would not accept wrong. Stating that this alibi did not come about until statement X. So we have "defend their lies, half truths and inaccuracies, no matter how harmful, even when presented with the factual evidence that their information is inaccurate (or worse)"

The boys on the bike another brief example, pulled up repeatedly with the absolute facts of this impossibility, that no V break can be seen from anywhere other than on the path itself. Knowing for a fact the inaccuracy of this claim, but the "diabolical" journalists printed something, so it is OK to use inaccuracies, knowing they are, and again the defence of never being in the wrong. The original of this claim/statement was of being "close to" from an employee of BTH. To then posing a question as an answer, with 'A tractor in the field could have seen the bike?' The same thing of late has been going on around that claimed witness and the identify of the mystery man?

I do wonder what it actually says in statements and testimony of how SK's semen came (no pun intended) to be on JaJ's t-shirt. Directly or a 'cloot' perhaps? The trouble once more with no contents/context. Does it matter? well it does where deception/bias is the name of the game? Certainly that it was proved and accepted to have gotten there innocently and washing machine/rain water transferal certainly happens, it did take place.

So, a couple of very basic yet damaging examples to innocents. With of course that pre-disposed "I make no apologies -----------" For the blame for any upset, any harm is laid at the feet of the system, the police and not the fault of the author if any "grief, distress or privacy" Issues arise from one's "truth" being put, born from "opinion?"

And as always and by invite of the author to "make of it what you will" And I invite the author publicly here to explain in full where and whom exactly did her chapter on "Agreed Facts" come from. Who on earth "agreed" all these so called "facts?" Does she agree that perhaps one may be describing themselves in parts with that statement? I am not accusing, just expressing opinion here and offer a response directly from her?

Offline Parky41

Re: Luke's DNA
« Reply #48 on: July 21, 2022, 06:22:27 PM »
We leave out basic sense and logic of course here. That a stain that "APPEARS" to have been visible in whatever minute format, on the underside of a sleeve, even IF seen by a 14-year old girl, is HARDLY going to be connecting it to a semen stain. What exactly is the author trying to imply her around Jodi Jones? Perhaps her own girls were very clued up on such matters at this age, perhaps not? That they would be recognizing a semen stain from any other type of staining, sweat perhaps from the arm pit of a t-shirt?

Offline Nicholas

Re: Luke's DNA
« Reply #49 on: July 21, 2022, 07:42:04 PM »
Below statements (in blue ) by charlatan and fraudster Sandra Lean
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Diabolicals quite deliberately report inaccurate, misleading, unfair and outright dishonest information and tout it as “truth.”

Diabolicals defend their lies, half truths and inaccuracies, no matter how harmful, even when presented with factual evidence that their information is inaccurate (or worse).

Diabolicals appear to be incapable of separating fact from opinion and often offer personal opinions as fact.

Diabolicals don’t care about grief, distress or privacy. They will use the grief and distress of devastated families, very often on both sides of the justice debate, simply to further their own aims.

It's my day off Nicholas, no shirt has been ruined in the reading of that very diabolical statement.
There’s more 🤦‍♀️

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Sandra Lean
Ronnie Mothersole The problem, Ronnie, is that if we take a route that involves restricting journalists, it would, inevitably, end up being used in the opposite direction - to silence those trying to expose wrongdoing.

The best we can hope for is to apply pressure to bring individuals to account for provable misrepresentation and outright lies. It can only be done one journalist at a time, so it's a tedious and time consuming process (I suspect some of the worst diabolicals know that and rely on people just throwing in the towel because it's such a difficult process).

I'm looking at different ways to do this, but I'm not going to make any public comment just yet - no point in alerting anyone and giving them the opportunity to pre-empt, or cover their tracks, is there????



See ➡️ https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg383104.html#msg383104 (20 diversion tactics)
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Offline faithlilly

Re: Luke's DNA
« Reply #50 on: July 21, 2022, 09:36:50 PM »
We leave out basic sense and logic of course here. That a stain that "APPEARS" to have been visible in whatever minute format, on the underside of a sleeve, even IF seen by a 14-year old girl, is HARDLY going to be connecting it to a semen stain. What exactly is the author trying to imply her around Jodi Jones? Perhaps her own girls were very clued up on such matters at this age, perhaps not? That they would be recognizing a semen stain from any other type of staining, sweat perhaps from the arm pit of a t-shirt?

A 14 year old girl who was having a sexual relationship with her boyfriend and with the knowledge that brings. TBH unless that 14 year old had stained the t-shirt herself, no matter what that stain was, I can’t see her wearing a soiled garment through choice.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Nicholas

Re: Luke's DNA
« Reply #51 on: July 22, 2022, 11:35:38 AM »
We leave out basic sense and logic of course here. That a stain that "APPEARS" to have been visible in whatever minute format, on the underside of a sleeve, even IF seen by a 14-year old girl, is HARDLY going to be connecting it to a semen stain. What exactly is the author trying to imply her around Jodi Jones? Perhaps her own girls were very clued up on such matters at this age, perhaps not? That they would be recognizing a semen stain from any other type of staining, sweat perhaps from the arm pit of a t-shirt?

Wilma Millar has posted a copy of the page from charlatan and fraudster Sandra Lean’s 2nd book which includes her ‘APPEARS to have been..’ statement, it reads;

‘Semen staining on the inside left sleeve of the t-shirt appears to have been visible to the naked eye’

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Offline Nicholas

Re: Luke's DNA
« Reply #52 on: July 22, 2022, 11:41:25 AM »
A 14 year old girl who was having a sexual relationship with her boyfriend and with the knowledge that brings. TBH unless that 14 year old had stained the t-shirt herself, no matter what that stain was, I can’t see her wearing a soiled garment through choice.


And contrary to charlatan and fraudster Sandra Lean’s ‘..in no way can it be claimed, for example, that a visible semen stain on a t-shirt got there by transfer in a washing machine or rainwater

There’s no evidence any semen stain was ‘visible to the naked eye’

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Offline Nicholas

Re: Luke's DNA
« Reply #53 on: July 22, 2022, 12:09:14 PM »
Sandra Lean
Barbara Stone I think you were right the first time - anyone with a heart would feel the same way. How can they possibly justify this, after a confession from the real killer? I wonder how those who've been so diabolical about Mick can look at themselves in the mirror, far less sleep at night.


‘Mick’ being psychopathic serial killer Michael Stone aka Michael John Goodban https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Stone_(criminal)

Sandra Lean is attempting to suggest psychopathic serial killer Levi Bellfield was responsible for psychopathic serial killer Michael Stone’s murders of Lin and Megan Russell and the attempted murder of Josie Russell plus the murder of Lucy the Russell families dog

Michael Stone was a couple of years older than teenage killer Luke Mitchell when he committed his first murder

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Stone_(criminal)

Michael Stone apparently fantasised about murder and was reported to have pleaded for help

’Five days before the Russell murders, she told police he had told her he was going to kill. Entry after entry in his medical notes included murderous threats, fantasies of torture, and names of those who had done him wrong.

There was no hospital place for him: the only bed that could be found was not deemed secure enough for such a mentally unstable man. And so, not for the first time, he slipped through the net. He was violent, suffered from a psychopathic personality disorder and had a long criminal record. 


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/the-russell-murders-stone-fantasised-about-killing-and-pleaded-for-help-1180131.html

Part 14 of Quite A Hall Tale (http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/04/29/the-innocence-fraud-con-of-a-killer-his-enablers/) dropping soon and include references to some of killer Simon Hall’s fantasises
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Luke's DNA
« Reply #54 on: July 22, 2022, 12:24:13 PM »
Barbara Stone being serial killer Michael Stone’s sister

Stone's sister Barbara, who has always protested her brother's innocence of the Russell murders, said in 1998 that she believed he had indeed killed Jegou, stating: "I don't think he killed Lin and Megan Russell. But I do think he did that murder when he was younger." Explaining, she commented: "When I was about 14 Mick came up to me with a knife in a sheath. He said I was to hide it for him and I buried it. At the time I was just a kid and did what my big brother told me. Years later he said he knew something about the murder. I knew he was up to no good. The killing was his style - it was done by two or more people and Mick never acted alone. It would have been done to get money and, again, that's something he'd have done."

Francis Jegou was a special police constable

https://www.thefreelibrary.com/HORROR+IN+COURT%3A+POLICEMAN+RELIVES+ATTACK+THAT+SUMS+UP+STONE%27S...-a060925549

Further reference to psychopathic serial killer Michael Stone who Sandra Lean claimed to Stone’s sister Barbara on Facebook

Sandra Lean
Barbara Stone I think you were right the first time - anyone with a heart would feel the same way. How can they possibly justify this, after a confession from the real killer? I wonder how those who've been so diabolical about Mick can look at themselves in the mirror, far less sleep at night.


‘Mick’ being psychopathic serial killer Michael Stone aka Michael John Goodban https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Stone_(criminal)

’On 4 July 1996, he went for an appointment at the Trevor Gibbons unit, where he threatened to kill his probation officer. Shortly before he was arrested for the Russell murders, he threatened to kill his sister Barbara and one of her children and smashed up her car.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/the-russell-murders-stone-fantasised-about-killing-and-pleaded-for-help-1180131.html
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Luke's DNA
« Reply #55 on: July 22, 2022, 12:28:53 PM »
And as always and by invite of the author to "make of it what you will" And I invite the author publicly here to explain in full where and whom exactly did her chapter on "Agreed Facts" come from. Who on earth "agreed" all these so called "facts?"

I don’t know if Sandra Lean has ever had a brain scan or been tested for psychopathy but she is too much of a coward to post on this forum

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Offline Nicholas

Re: Luke's DNA
« Reply #56 on: July 22, 2022, 12:36:35 PM »
Michael Stone was a couple of years older than teenage killer Luke Mitchell when he committed his first murder

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Stone_(criminal)

Michael Stone apparently fantasised about murder and was reported to have pleaded for help

’Five days before the Russell murders, she told police he had told her he was going to kill. Entry after entry in his medical notes included murderous threats, fantasies of torture, and names of those who had done him wrong.

There was no hospital place for him: the only bed that could be found was not deemed secure enough for such a mentally unstable man. And so, not for the first time, he slipped through the net. He was violent, suffered from a psychopathic personality disorder and had a long criminal record. 


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/the-russell-murders-stone-fantasised-about-killing-and-pleaded-for-help-1180131.html

Part 14 of Quite A Hall Tale (http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/04/29/the-innocence-fraud-con-of-a-killer-his-enablers/) dropping soon and include references to some of killer Simon Hall’s fantasises

Anne Raffarty, who prosecuted psychopathic serial killer Michael Stone, presided over Simon Hall’s February 2003 trial and seemingly wasn’t aware of Simon Hall’s relationship with Stephanie Bon when he committed his murder of Joan Albert  - see Part 14 of Quite A Hall Tale (https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/04/29/the-innocence-fraud-con-of-a-killer-his-enablers/)

THE man accused of the brutal hammer murders of Lin and Megan Russell boasted of the killings to fellow prisoners, a court was told yesterday.

Jobless Michael Stone allegedly told how he tied up Lin and daughters Megan and Josie, smashed their skulls and beat their dog Lucy to death. And he bragged of getting a huge sexual thrill as he held the little girls' swimming costumes, the jury heard.

‘Stone, 38, was arrested a year later in July 1997 and confessed to two prisoners while remanded in custody, said prosecutor Ann Rafferty QC.

"He spoke of smashing an egg, of tying them up with wet towels although he hadn't needed to as they were out of the game." Stone - said to have demanded money from the family - dismissed them as "paupers", the jury was told.

Miss Rafferty added: "He constantly called them slags and whores."

He told one prisoner, identified only as Daly, that "one of them had tried to get away but didn't get far.

"He wanted one of them to watch but she closed her eyes so he hit her again and she squirmed.

"One of the girls was disobedient and they hadn't got what he wanted."

Daly had intervened when other lags hurled abuse at Stone in Canterbury prison, said Miss Rafferty. She added: "Daly was upset and said he would tell the screws what Stone told him.

"But Stone was confident that he would not be believed and he would soon be freed because they had nothing on him."

Stone made another confession to a prisoner called Barry Thompson, Miss Rafferty told Maidstone Crown Court in Kent.

"There was a discussion between the two of them about these murders and about the identification parade that was coming up shortly afterwards."

Miss Rafferty said there was "bitterness and acrimony" between the two and Stone allegedly said: "I made a mistake with her. I won't make the same mistake with you."

She told the jury: "You will want to consider whether that is a reference to Josie."

Miss Rafferty said: "There is no scientific evidence to link Stone to the scene."

But motorist Nicola Burchell helped police compile an E-fit picture of the driver of a car she had followed near the scene.

She did not pick out Stone at an identity parade but told officers he looked familiar.

Miss Rafferty said that Stone also claimed in his prison confession: "But for that slag I would have been OK. She picked me."

https://www.thefreelibrary.com/I+KILLED+LIN+AND+MEGAN%3B+Court+hears+of+jobless+man%27s+jail...-a060628827

Sandra Lean I wonder how those who've been so diabolical about Mick can look at themselves in the mirror, far less sleep at night.

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Offline Nicholas

Re: Luke's DNA
« Reply #57 on: July 22, 2022, 01:01:34 PM »
Further reference to psychopathic serial killer Michael Stone who Sandra Lean claimed to Stone’s sister Barbara on Facebook

Sandra Lean
Barbara Stone I think you were right the first time - anyone with a heart would feel the same way. How can they possibly justify this, after a confession from the real killer? I wonder how those who've been so diabolical about Mick can look at themselves in the mirror, far less sleep at night.


’On 4 July 1996, he went for an appointment at the Trevor Gibbons unit, where he threatened to kill his probation officer. Shortly before he was arrested for the Russell murders, he threatened to kill his sister Barbara and one of her children and smashed up her car.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/the-russell-murders-stone-fantasised-about-killing-and-pleaded-for-help-1180131.html

’In other evidence yesterday Ms Rafferty said there was a slight semen stain on the outside of Josie's pants but it was too small for DNA testing and was unlikely to have been there as a result of ejaculation.’

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/josie-recalls-bid-to-escape-from-killer-1176972.html

http://www.michaelstone.co.uk/stone/autopsy.pdf
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Luke's DNA
« Reply #58 on: July 22, 2022, 01:50:21 PM »

I do wonder what it actually says in statements and testimony of how SK's semen came (no pun intended) to be on JaJ's t-shirt.

Charlatan and fraudster Sandra Lean is not a trusted source for sure
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Luke's DNA
« Reply #59 on: July 22, 2022, 01:55:23 PM »
Directly or a 'cloot' perhaps?

By ‘ cloot’ do you mean the t-shirt could have been used in a similar way to a washcloth ?
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