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Offline faithlilly

Firstly - the area was cordoned off - the whole strip of woodland and the path for some time. Scouring for evidence. One would imagine if this carving was found some time after this murder, then it would have been used at trial to show this - Something the defence would have held onto. It was barely into any interviews with LM was it not? - that he was asked about this, and he then admitted to only being in the top of the woodland. Absolutely nothing to show that this happened after this murder. Another red herring, for what purpose - to say yet again that LM lied when he then admitted to frequenting the top of the woodland - prior to Jodi's murder?

Among the photographs taken at the murder scene and vicinity was there any of the carved tree?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Brietta

I can't say I know much about "Mitchell supporters" speaking against Jodi's mother or her family. I don't take much notice of the "campaign team" (as I don't in the Bamber case either). I don't really like campaigns  or demos. Probably, I'm too old: the last time I went on a demo, was in the 1970's ("Maggie, Maggie, Maggie, out, out out) !!

However, I do like Sandra  Lean's book, and I can't believe it's full of lies. She might have made some mistakes, and  got some things wrong, but, if she was lying all the way through, she would have been called out by now. I know I get criticised for "promoting" her book (I call it "recommending"), but I happen to believe there is a lot in it that is worth considering.

i don't have a lot of faith in juries either.  Jurors are ordinary people, just like us lot on this forum. They have their agendas and prejudices.

Perhaps, i'm just a lost cause!

I don't have to read Sandra Lean's book to know it contains inaccuracies; questions witness testimony;  and suggests official corruption all based on her interpretation and initially I think a misunderstanding of what circumstantial evidence is.

Quite often have I vehemently disagreed with a jury's verdict particularly that of 'not proven' in the trial of Francis Auld who stood trial accused of the 1992 rape and murder of Amanda Duffy.

I have probably mentioned before that I strongly thought that Hanratty was innocent and had suffered a miscarriage of justice.  I was proved wrong on that one.  I still don't think that Amanda received justice.

But that is our justice system and one we are stuck with until guilty people hold up their hands and confess to their crimes and answer questions truthfully.

I think the circumstantial evidence which convicted Mitchell - part of which was a video of his appearance in a Sky News interview on the day of Jodi's funeral - was certainly strong enough to be considered safe.  It has been scrutinised on appeal and no new rebuttal evidence has been found to challenge it.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Good question - would be good to know when this was carved, and also the knife that was used to carve it.
JODI JONES MURDER TRIAL OPENS.

At the start of Mitchell's trial at the High Court in Edinburgh, the jury were shown a photograph of initials carved into a tree in the woods where Jodi met her death.

The letters [Name removed] had been cut into the bark along with the letters LM.

https://www.thefreelibrary.com/JODI+JONES+MURDER+TRIAL+OPENS.-a0124546866#:~:text=Luke%20Mitchell%2C%2016%2C%20claimed%20he%20was%20at%20home,in%20the%20woods%20where%20Jodi%20met%20her%20death.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Firstly - the area was cordoned off - the whole strip of woodland and the path for some time. Scouring for evidence. One would imagine if this carving was found some time after this murder, then it would have been used at trial to show this - Something the defence would have held onto. It was barely into any interviews with LM was it not? - that he was asked about this, and he then admitted to only being in the top of the woodland. Absolutely nothing to show that this happened after this murder. Another red herring, for what purpose - to say yet again that LM lied when he then admitted to frequenting the top of the woodland - prior to Jodi's murder?
if it was introduced into evidence it must have been a crime scene photograph. http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=12080.msg652441#msg652441
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline faithlilly

JODI JONES MURDER TRIAL OPENS.

At the start of Mitchell's trial at the High Court in Edinburgh, the jury were shown a photograph of initials carved into a tree in the woods where Jodi met her death.

The letters [Name removed] had been cut into the bark along with the letters LM.

https://www.thefreelibrary.com/JODI+JONES+MURDER+TRIAL+OPENS.-a0124546866#:~:text=Luke%20Mitchell%2C%2016%2C%20claimed%20he%20was%20at%20home,in%20the%20woods%20where%20Jodi%20met%20her%20death.

Thank you Brietta but when were the photographs ?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline faithlilly

if it was introduced into evidence it must have been a crime scene photograph. http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=12080.msg652441#msg652441

Not necessarily.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline faithlilly

And that evasion, tying yourself continuously up in knots - You were implying that this girls mother was a liar. As with SL, as with CM and as with yourself - you can not prove the evidence against LM to be wrong. From the investigation to trial and to the present day. One attempts continuously to divert away from the Mitchells from the lies they told over and over. Then one to tries desperately and shamefully to show that Jodi's immediate family lied. Or show evidence to be wrong from them, by lying yourselves. CM/SL - "the search party had to come from the top of Mayfield" SL "the search party walked passed YW's whilst heading directly to the path" You "Judith said Jodi never walked the Roan's Dyke path alone" then "so not quiet as honest as you'd have us believe" The evasion that comes from people who are less than honest - "vaguely remember" And you yet again bend things blatantly, JaJ did not say in court "Jodi still walked the path"  - hard pushed to say that, the girl was dead.


I’d rather discuss facts than trade insults. 

Janine testified in court that the search party had taken the RDP because that was the route Jodi would have taken to Luke’s. Donald Findlay reminded her that her mother had testified that Jodi was not allowed to use the path alone and why would the search party have thought that she had done so? Janine admitted that her mother knew perfectly well that Jodi used the path alone. “Really” DP asked,”yes” replied Janine.


The above is, partially, backed up from a report from the BBC.

“Jodi's mother said they saw each other a couple of times a week at first, before Jodi began to see him "most nights".

The two teenagers would sometimes meet up at the entrance of the Roan's Dyke path.

However, Mrs Jones said her daughter was not allowed to use the short-cut on her own“

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4045025.stm [/b]

Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Parky41

I can't say I know much about "Mitchell supporters" speaking against Jodi's mother or her family. I don't take much notice of the "campaign team" (as I don't in the Bamber case either). I don't really like campaigns  or demos. Probably, I'm too old: the last time I went on a demo, was in the 1970's ("Maggie, Maggie, Maggie, out, out out) !!

However, I do like Sandra  Lean's book, and I can't believe it's full of lies. She might have made some mistakes, and  got some things wrong, but, if she was lying all the way through, she would have been called out by now. I know I get criticised for "promoting" her book (I call it "recommending"), but I happen to believe there is a lot in it that is worth considering.

i don't have a lot of faith in juries either.  Jurors are ordinary people, just like us lot on this forum. They have their agendas and prejudices.

Perhaps, i'm just a lost cause!

The book - written on the false premise that one holds everything ?- they do not.? Written as supposedly being the true story of the murder of Jodi Jones - again a false premise. Can not be a true story when the first premise is wrong. The book uses around 5% verbatim to back up a whole lot of assumption and narrative does it not? The truth from the book is anything that is directly used from the case files Ms Lean holds. The exact extracts are the only clear truths - anything added to this is Ms Lean assumptions, her question and narrative. Is the book full of lies? - Not where the anything that is directly taken and quoted from the files she does have - no. Are there lies by omittance - yes, for the context and truth lies in everything?  Ms Lean is in possession of only what DF used for the build of his case in defence of LM - Of what he kept in those files. - The book is about Ms Leans version of corruption, her deciphering of those case files - and she assumes a hell of a lot - around things such as missing phone logs, missing witness statements, of knowing nothing that actually went into the investigation in it's entirety - all of these things that both the prosecution and defence had access to a the time. The book does not tell you everything that Ms Lean has discussed and answered on forums - where you get a real insight into the manipulation -when one has been able to directly question all she writes. - to which a lot of the time she ignores the direct questions and diverts from the lies. As with the the search trio, and her claiming they walked directly passed YW's. When pulled up on this - completely ignores the lie she told, and goes straight to her assumptions - that it does not matter what the search trio did - they should have went into YW's house to check. -Therefore, the lie is alright to use, if it is used to back up what Ms Lean feels anyone should have done.

The phone logs - the classic one. There is no log of AW's call to her daughter, Jodi's aunt in DF's case files. Ms Lean has used this to push out a whole lot of assumption. To have it as a driving point question of why they were there. That due to no log being there, then the aunts must have already been in the Easthouses area. If they were already there, then it was not to do with the search trio and LM together. They must have been there for another reason entirely. And the obtuse reasoning that then comes forward from others. Such as these aunts having connections in high places. Friends with someone in the police and so forth. Then there is talk of missing logs from JuJ directly to her mother and again these are put out, as AW being out searching before she even knew that Jodi had been reported missing? - now Ms Lean is not daft. A very intelligent woman. She knows the exact reason why these are not there. That some things were completely irrelevant for Findalys team to use. But due to the absence of these, it then gives the person a free reign to push out any narrative around it. Another classic being that of Mr Kelly. Of Ms Leans lifelong claims that SK was only alibied by his girlfriend. As she claims also that his fathers statement was not in the defence papers. Now she knew for a fact as with the phone logs - all were mentioned in the witness statements and precognitions, but this only added to the power of writing and assumption did it not? - for it gives the person a free reign to state - the person says one thing but there is nothing else in the case papers she holds to back it up. i.e the phone log or statement from the Mr Kelly and so forth. - Therefore, ultimately, whatever Ms Lean does write upon, if she were to be pulled up on this - she can state, clearly and truthfully, they are not here, I did not know for sure if they existed or not?! - And even after, as with the YW scenario - Ms Lean was told clearly by the SCCRC that these all existed - They were not missing, They are there in all that went into the investigation that both the Crown and Defence had access to, whilst building their cases. Of all they took from the investigation files. - She then stated that it does not matter about Sk's  alibi as he did not have one for around 10 days? - which is what I highlighted before. Mr Kelly was always alibied. He was not striving to give one, to have some concocted story in place. But interestingly it was around day 10 when the statement was taken from his father? -So she knew this, she saw it in the defence files, but due to the actual physical absence of it - it gives the writer a free reign? - to use anything other than Occam's Razor. - Masses amount of assumptions, obtuse reasoning other than the straightforward truth.

Below are two different time lines from Ms Lean - used depending on what point is pushed at the time. Firstly from where Jodi and Luke were witnessed by AB in the lane, It takes around 15 seconds to reach the junction of the actual paths. Lady Path and RDP. Where she states clearly it would take around 12 mins to reach the V break. Used to lesson time that LM would have to murder Jodi. The other is from the search at night. The correct timing done. The search trio slightly down from here, walking as LM was approaching by torchlight. However, irrelevant to the point I'm making. The shifting of feet, depending on which point is being made

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From all of that, the police were left with a window of 4.45m - 5.32pm, from which they had to subtract enough time for Jodi to get to the V point (almost 12 mins) and still leave enough time for the attack etc before Luke's first phone call to the landline.

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In short, the walk from the junction of the paths to the V point at a "brisk pace" in daylight was timed at 7 minutes.


Offline faithlilly

The book - written on the false premise that one holds everything ?- they do not.? Written as supposedly being the true story of the murder of Jodi Jones - again a false premise. Can not be a true story when the first premise is wrong. The book uses around 5% verbatim to back up a whole lot of assumption and narrative does it not? The truth from the book is anything that is directly used from the case files Ms Lean holds. The exact extracts are the only clear truths - anything added to this is Ms Lean assumptions, her question and narrative. Is the book full of lies? - Not where the anything that is directly taken and quoted from the files she does have - no. Are there lies by omittance - yes, for the context and truth lies in everything?  Ms Lean is in possession of only what DF used for the build of his case in defence of LM - Of what he kept in those files. - The book is about Ms Leans version of corruption, her deciphering of those case files - and she assumes a hell of a lot - around things such as missing phone logs, missing witness statements, of knowing nothing that actually went into the investigation in it's entirety - all of these things that both the prosecution and defence had access to a the time. The book does not tell you everything that Ms Lean has discussed and answered on forums - where you get a real insight into the manipulation -when one has been able to directly question all she writes. - to which a lot of the time she ignores the direct questions and diverts from the lies. As with the the search trio, and her claiming they walked directly passed YW's. When pulled up on this - completely ignores the lie she told, and goes straight to her assumptions - that it does not matter what the search trio did - they should have went into YW's house to check. -Therefore, the lie is alright to use, if it is used to back up what Ms Lean feels anyone should have done.

The phone logs - the classic one. There is no log of AW's call to her daughter, Jodi's aunt in DF's case files. Ms Lean has used this to push out a whole lot of assumption. To have it as a driving point question of why they were there. That due to no log being there, then the aunts must have already been in the Easthouses area. If they were already there, then it was not to do with the search trio and LM together. They must have been there for another reason entirely. And the obtuse reasoning that then comes forward from others. Such as these aunts having connections in high places. Friends with someone in the police and so forth. Then there is talk of missing logs from JuJ directly to her mother and again these are put out, as AW being out searching before she even knew that Jodi had been reported missing? - now Ms Lean is not daft. A very intelligent woman. She knows the exact reason why these are not there. That some things were completely irrelevant for Findalys team to use. But due to the absence of these, it then gives the person a free reign to push out any narrative around it. Another classic being that of Mr Kelly. Of Ms Leans lifelong claims that SK was only alibied by his girlfriend. As she claims also that his fathers statement was not in the defence papers. Now she knew for a fact as with the phone logs - all were mentioned in the witness statements and precognitions, but this only added to the power of writing and assumption did it not? - for it gives the person a free reign to state - the person says one thing but there is nothing else in the case papers she holds to back it up. i.e the phone log or statement from the Mr Kelly and so forth. - Therefore, ultimately, whatever Ms Lean does write upon, if she were to be pulled up on this - she can state, clearly and truthfully, they are not here, I did not know for sure if they existed or not?! - And even after, as with the YW scenario - Ms Lean was told clearly by the SCCRC that these all existed - They were not missing, They are there in all that went into the investigation that both the Crown and Defence had access to, whilst building their cases. Of all they took from the investigation files. - She then stated that it does not matter about Sk's  alibi as he did not have one for around 10 days? - which is what I highlighted before. Mr Kelly was always alibied. He was not striving to give one, to have some concocted story in place. But interestingly it was around day 10 when the statement was taken from his father? -So she knew this, she saw it in the defence files, but due to the actual physical absence of it - it gives the writer a free reign? - to use anything other than Occam's Razor. - Masses amount of assumptions, obtuse reasoning other than the straightforward truth.

Below are two different time lines from Ms Lean - used depending on what point is pushed at the time. Firstly from where Jodi and Luke were witnessed by AB in the lane, It takes around 15 seconds to reach the junction of the actual paths. Lady Path and RDP. Where she states clearly it would take around 12 mins to reach the V break. Used to lesson time that LM would have to murder Jodi. The other is from the search at night. The correct timing done. The search trio slightly down from here, walking as LM was approaching by torchlight. However, irrelevant to the point I'm making. The shifting of feet, depending on which point is being made

The window of opportunity was 16.50, not 16.45, when Jodi left the house and 17.32...so even if Dr Lean was wrong the window of opportunity doesn’t change.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Nicholas

The book - written on the false premise that one holds everything ?- they do not.? Written as supposedly being the true story of the murder of Jodi Jones - again a false premise. Can not be a true story when the first premise is wrong. The book uses around 5% verbatim to back up a whole lot of assumption and narrative does it not? The truth from the book is anything that is directly used from the case files Ms Lean holds. The exact extracts are the only clear truths - anything added to this is Ms Lean assumptions, her question and narrative. Is the book full of lies? - Not where the anything that is directly taken and quoted from the files she does have - no. Are there lies by omittance - yes, for the context and truth lies in everything?  Ms Lean is in possession of only what DF used for the build of his case in defence of LM - Of what he kept in those files. - The book is about Ms Leans version of corruption, her deciphering of those case files - and she assumes a hell of a lot - around things such as missing phone logs, missing witness statements, of knowing nothing that actually went into the investigation in it's entirety - all of these things that both the prosecution and defence had access to a the time. The book does not tell you everything that Ms Lean has discussed and answered on forums - where you get a real insight into the manipulation -when one has been able to directly question all she writes. - to which a lot of the time she ignores the direct questions and diverts from the lies. As with the the search trio, and her claiming they walked directly passed YW's. When pulled up on this - completely ignores the lie she told, and goes straight to her assumptions - that it does not matter what the search trio did - they should have went into YW's house to check. -Therefore, the lie is alright to use, if it is used to back up what Ms Lean feels anyone should have done.

The phone logs - the classic one. There is no log of AW's call to her daughter, Jodi's aunt in DF's case files. Ms Lean has used this to push out a whole lot of assumption. To have it as a driving point question of why they were there. That due to no log being there, then the aunts must have already been in the Easthouses area. If they were already there, then it was not to do with the search trio and LM together. They must have been there for another reason entirely. And the obtuse reasoning that then comes forward from others. Such as these aunts having connections in high places. Friends with someone in the police and so forth. Then there is talk of missing logs from JuJ directly to her mother and again these are put out, as AW being out searching before she even knew that Jodi had been reported missing? - now Ms Lean is not daft. A very intelligent woman. She knows the exact reason why these are not there. That some things were completely irrelevant for Findalys team to use. But due to the absence of these, it then gives the person a free reign to push out any narrative around it. Another classic being that of Mr Kelly. Of Ms Leans lifelong claims that SK was only alibied by his girlfriend. As she claims also that his fathers statement was not in the defence papers. Now she knew for a fact as with the phone logs - all were mentioned in the witness statements and precognitions, but this only added to the power of writing and assumption did it not? - for it gives the person a free reign to state - the person says one thing but there is nothing else in the case papers she holds to back it up. i.e the phone log or statement from the Mr Kelly and so forth. - Therefore, ultimately, whatever Ms Lean does write upon, if she were to be pulled up on this - she can state, clearly and truthfully, they are not here, I did not know for sure if they existed or not?! - And even after, as with the YW scenario - Ms Lean was told clearly by the SCCRC that these all existed - They were not missing, They are there in all that went into the investigation that both the Crown and Defence had access to, whilst building their cases. Of all they took from the investigation files. - She then stated that it does not matter about Sk's  alibi as he did not have one for around 10 days? - which is what I highlighted before. Mr Kelly was always alibied. He was not striving to give one, to have some concocted story in place. But interestingly it was around day 10 when the statement was taken from his father? -So she knew this, she saw it in the defence files, but due to the actual physical absence of it - it gives the writer a free reign? - to use anything other than Occam's Razor. - Masses amount of assumptions, obtuse reasoning other than the straightforward truth.

Below are two different time lines from Ms Lean - used depending on what point is pushed at the time. Firstly from where Jodi and Luke were witnessed by AB in the lane, It takes around 15 seconds to reach the junction of the actual paths. Lady Path and RDP. Where she states clearly it would take around 12 mins to reach the V break. Used to lesson time that LM would have to murder Jodi. The other is from the search at night. The correct timing done. The search trio slightly down from here, walking as LM was approaching by torchlight. However, irrelevant to the point I'm making. The shifting of feet, depending on which point is being made

For me her behaviour says otherwise
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Brietta

For me her behaviour says otherwise

I think she is intelligent ... but I think she is cunning with it.  I think she has made some horrendous mistakes too, so maybe that brings a lack of common sense into the equation.

Anyway, I think she and the Mitchells combine to make the perfect storm.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Nicholas

The book - written on the false premise that one holds everything ?- they do not.? Written as supposedly being the true story of the murder of Jodi Jones - again a false premise. Can not be a true story when the first premise is wrong. The book uses around 5% verbatim to back up a whole lot of assumption and narrative does it not? The truth from the book is anything that is directly used from the case files Ms Lean holds. The exact extracts are the only clear truths - anything added to this is Ms Lean assumptions, her question and narrative. Is the book full of lies? - Not where the anything that is directly taken and quoted from the files she does have - no. Are there lies by omittance - yes, for the context and truth lies in everything?  Ms Lean is in possession of only what DF used for the build of his case in defence of LM - Of what he kept in those files. - The book is about Ms Leans version of corruption, her deciphering of those case files - and she assumes a hell of a lot - around things such as missing phone logs, missing witness statements, of knowing nothing that actually went into the investigation in it's entirety - all of these things that both the prosecution and defence had access to a the time. The book does not tell you everything that Ms Lean has discussed and answered on forums - where you get a real insight into the manipulation -when one has been able to directly question all she writes. - to which a lot of the time she ignores the direct questions and diverts from the lies. As with the the search trio, and her claiming they walked directly passed YW's. When pulled up on this - completely ignores the lie she told, and goes straight to her assumptions - that it does not matter what the search trio did - they should have went into YW's house to check. -Therefore, the lie is alright to use, if it is used to back up what Ms Lean feels anyone should have done.

The phone logs - the classic one. There is no log of AW's call to her daughter, Jodi's aunt in DF's case files. Ms Lean has used this to push out a whole lot of assumption. To have it as a driving point question of why they were there. That due to no log being there, then the aunts must have already been in the Easthouses area. If they were already there, then it was not to do with the search trio and LM together. They must have been there for another reason entirely. And the obtuse reasoning that then comes forward from others. Such as these aunts having connections in high places. Friends with someone in the police and so forth. Then there is talk of missing logs from JuJ directly to her mother and again these are put out, as AW being out searching before she even knew that Jodi had been reported missing? - now Ms Lean is not daft. A very intelligent woman. She knows the exact reason why these are not there. That some things were completely irrelevant for Findalys team to use. But due to the absence of these, it then gives the person a free reign to push out any narrative around it. Another classic being that of Mr Kelly. Of Ms Leans lifelong claims that SK was only alibied by his girlfriend. As she claims also that his fathers statement was not in the defence papers. Now she knew for a fact as with the phone logs - all were mentioned in the witness statements and precognitions, but this only added to the power of writing and assumption did it not? - for it gives the person a free reign to state - the person says one thing but there is nothing else in the case papers she holds to back it up. i.e the phone log or statement from the Mr Kelly and so forth. - Therefore, ultimately, whatever Ms Lean does write upon, if she were to be pulled up on this - she can state, clearly and truthfully, they are not here, I did not know for sure if they existed or not?! - And even after, as with the YW scenario - Ms Lean was told clearly by the SCCRC that these all existed - They were not missing, They are there in all that went into the investigation that both the Crown and Defence had access to, whilst building their cases. Of all they took from the investigation files. - She then stated that it does not matter about Sk's  alibi as he did not have one for around 10 days? - which is what I highlighted before. Mr Kelly was always alibied. He was not striving to give one, to have some concocted story in place. But interestingly it was around day 10 when the statement was taken from his father? -So she knew this, she saw it in the defence files, but due to the actual physical absence of it - it gives the writer a free reign? - to use anything other than Occam's Razor. - Masses amount of assumptions, obtuse reasoning other than the straightforward truth.

Below are two different time lines from Ms Lean - used depending on what point is pushed at the time. Firstly from where Jodi and Luke were witnessed by AB in the lane, It takes around 15 seconds to reach the junction of the actual paths. Lady Path and RDP. Where she states clearly it would take around 12 mins to reach the V break. Used to lesson time that LM would have to murder Jodi. The other is from the search at night. The correct timing done. The search trio slightly down from here, walking as LM was approaching by torchlight. However, irrelevant to the point I'm making. The shifting of feet, depending on which point is being made

Do you mean Sandra Lean is ‘word smart’? (Howard Gardener 1983)
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Offline Nicholas

I think she is intelligent ...

I don’t
« Last Edit: May 22, 2021, 01:34:13 PM by Nicholas »
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Offline Nicholas

I think she is intelligent ... but I think she is cunning with it.

Sounds like you are referring to ‘machiavellian intelligence’?
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline faithlilly

But if I see blatant lies, I will most definitely pick up on them - One of the very reasons I started to look into this case. For I saw those blatant lies, and it got me into thinking

That’s strange, me too. Take this one for example.

“Mr Turnbull asked the jury to consider the evidence about the night Jodi's body was found. The accused, he said, was able to find the body in the dark.
'Mutilated body'
"That night, Luke Mitchell is able to find the mutilated body of Jodi Jones in a wood behind a wall.
"I ask you to accept from the evidence that Luke Mitchell knew where to find the body," he told the jury.
The advocate depute said the cornerstone of the Crown's case was the evidence given by the Jones family about the search for Jodi on the night she died.
They testified that Luke Mitchell walked straight to the v-shaped gap in the wall bordering the Roan's Dyke path, behind which Jodi's body was discovered.
Family's account
The accused told the police he had walked past the "v" but had returned to it after his dog reacted.
Mr Turnbull told the jury that the family's account was consistent with Luke knowing about the body and that if they were right then it meant that he was the killer.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4184101.stm

Looks like Luke was telling the truth all along.

From the BBC’s Frontline Scotland at approx 21.40.

A verbatim quote from JaJ’s initial statement.

“Luke’s dog started jumping about at the wall. Luke then climbed over the wall and started searching about”

And a summary of part of SK’s

 ‘Steven Kelly describes Luke’s dog pulling Luke to the wall and jumping up just below a v shaped break in the wall.’

https://youtu.be/-m-zHEUOFR0





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Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?