The less talked about sighting on Newbattle Road by M O'Sullivan & D Hamilton...

[faithlilly]

Just more excuses and basically hogwash imo.  The entire thing falls down because the supposedly trained dog would have scented the dead body on the way up the path. Mitchell never responded to that alert for very obvious reasons.

So do you think that the dog alerted on the way up the path?

Interesting.

[Paranoid Android]

It's an obvious question, surely - if the dog alerted LM on the way down, why not on the way up?

[Parky41]

It's an obvious question, surely - if the dog alerted LM on the way down, why not on the way up?

There was no alert on the way down either. LM was very precise in the lies he told. Of where he was, of that choice of words - And of digging that hole deeper when he drew his diagram. - Therefore it was all lies, plain and simple. The search trio where always telling the truth. They were at the V, they were always at the V. The only thing they clarified was of whom was leading who - LM or his dog. The debate is aimed at centering around that dog on a wall. Of Kelly not remembering. The plain simple reality is LM was lying about the whole scenario - And scenario is what is relevant, nothing more. - his whole scenario was lies, like everything else - lies.

[mrswah]

There was no alert on the way down either. LM was very precise in the lies he told. Of where he was, of that choice of words - And of digging that hole deeper when he drew his diagram. - Therefore it was all lies, plain and simple. The search trio where always telling the truth. They were at the V, they were always at the V. The only thing they clarified was of whom was leading who - LM or his dog. The debate is aimed at centering around that dog on a wall. Of Kelly not remembering. The plain simple reality is LM was lying about the whole scenario - And scenario is what is relevant, nothing more. - his whole scenario was lies, like everything else - lies.

How can you be so sure, Parky?

[Rusty]

It’s very possible he’d got rid of the knife beforehand and this trip back was an attempt to stage the CS and/or carry out further PM injuries 

This IMO is exactly what he did. Much of his timeline that evening has been unaccounted for.

[Paranoid Android]

It’s very possible he’d got rid of the knife beforehand and this trip back was an attempt to stage the CS and/or carry out further PM injuries 

I may regret asking this, but how could he have committed post mortem injuries without a knife?

[Nicholas]

It’s very possible he’d got rid of the knife beforehand and this trip back was an attempt to stage the CS and/or carry out further PM injuries

I may regret asking this, but how could he have committed post mortem injuries without a knife?

It’s a fair question and unless Luke Mitchell decides to confess and go into the detail of his brutal crimes we can only speculate

[Nicholas]

This IMO is exactly what he did. Much of his timeline that evening has been unaccounted for.

Luke Mitchell hasn’t accounted for what he did and didn’t do that evening and I find it interesting how Sandra Lean chooses to avoid this fact

He appears to have spent just over an hour with the lads at the Abbey

Didn’t he meet them at approximately around 7.30pm and claim to be home by 9.00pm-9.10pm

How long did it take him to walk home and how long did he usually spend there?

[faithlilly]

Luke Mitchell hasn’t accounted for what he did and didn’t do that evening and I find it interesting how Sandra Lean chooses to avoid this fact

In fact he has accounted for exactly what he did that evening and has witnesses for a large part of it. You just refuse to believe it.

[Nicholas]

In fact he has accounted for exactly what he did that evening and has witnesses for a large part of it. You just refuse to believe it.

No he hasn’t

Where was he at 8.30pm?

8.45pm?

Where was he at 10.30pm?

What time did he really get home ? 9pm or 10pm?

What time did he take Mia out for a walk?

Where was he exactly when he received JuJ first text message?

[Parky41]

How can you be so sure, Parky?

Jodi's body was found 16.3m from the V point - that's 53.5 feet. Luke said the search party had passed the V point and he'd gone "a few yards ... not even twenty yards" (roughly 50 feet maximum) ... about 10 or fifteen feet ..." when the dog reacted on the path side. Kelly and Janine didn't say how far past the V point the dog reacted, only that she did, and they continued on down the path while Luke doubled back - they were, they said, brought running back to the V point when Luke called out that he thought there was something there.

So no-one, anywhere, ever (except for the prosecutor in grand theatrical style at trial) suggested the dog reacted 40 or 50 feet past the V break. But it's not irrelevant if the dog reacted 10 - 15 feet past the V - in fact, that tallies with what the Janine, Kelly and Luke all said in their initial statements - the gran couldn't say either way because she'd fallen a little behind the others and didn't see what the dog did. But that also tallies with the stories that Luke handed the dog's lead to Alice (who was behind him and therefore closest to the V) and the others carried on down the path.

Luke said the search party had passed the V point and he'd gone "a few yards ... not even twenty yards" (roughly 50 feet maximum)

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Take a good look at this from SL: Ignore the 16.3 meters,  it should have been 13.6. Which is fine, the odd thing about it however is that figure in feet should be well implanted in ones mind. These details are very important. However we have Luke's first statement, that verbatim used. "a few yards...not even twenty yards" But of the 50ft maximum. Now with the 13.6 meters it is 44ft. So not at the maximum given of 50ft. Then she cleverly and intentionally drops in this 10-15ft. Not full verbatim, not part of the first account and not from LM. Lots of missing parts and..... - stop and - when the dog reacted on the path side. And of Kelly and Janine not saying how far past the V point the dog reacted - stop - only that she did. How clever is this worded. As they did not say the dog had "reacted" first of all, and they most definitely gave no indication of it, them and LM doing anything passed this V. Nothing at all at this point, from those first statements, no estimates of how many feet passed and so forth - for they did not. And of they continued down this path while Luke doubled back - wrong again. Luke claimed to double back not the trio. And onto the truthful part - that they did run back when Luke shouted out.

Then to the theatrics of the prosecution - Of this 40-50ft past the V - as LM used yards, but as Ms Lean already highlighted - no more that 50ft with LM's estimate of how far he had went. Then, so it is relevant to the Crowns case if it had been 40-50ft passed the V that he was lying as this is not where the search party or the dog were. But highlights that if the dog had reacted say 10-15ft passed the V then it is not irrelevant, note the IF, as LM did not say this. - and skips to tying it in with Janine and Kelly. As they did say in their initial statements that they had walked around 10-15ft passed this V break. But this extract from their statement is taken from after LM went over the V break, that they then continued down the path, that they had walked no more that around 10 -15ft when they ran back to the V after LM shouted out.

So again - note that wording, "Kelly and Janine didn't say how far past the V point the dog reacted" as they did not say at all, of them being past the V at this point. Not asked how far past as there was nothing to ask.  They were not asked how far at this point as they gave no indication of being past it.  And onto "only that she did" - Only that she, the dog had did something.

And this is how I am sure. That minute area of verbatim used from LM's statement, which has to be used, as it was used against him. Not one estimate of feet past this V from the search trio at this point as they were not past the V. None of them. Neither did DF manage to pull up anything from their statements to suggest they had indicated even 1.2 or 3 ft passed this V break. - only that he tried to pick up on them mentioning about the dog pulling at the V and of standing up at it. Of the change from this to saying it was LM who led his dog to the V. That the dog was standing directly next to this V, the left and of it's head being level with said V.

And the last part of it tallies with the stories that Luke handed the dog's lead to Alice. Stories, see, one has to say this as we know that JaJ, AW and Luke gave an account of the lead being handed to Alice. This is one of those clearest points that we can see of manipulation, of attempting to tie in this 10-15ft in reference to walking past, as she states they then continued to walk down this path - but we know this is demonstrably wrong as one could not see the lead being handed over, or the dog pulling at this V, nor the dog standing up at the V and of LM turning to his left. - and that AW was a couple of ft behind - all in sequence. They stopped at the V, AW right behind them. Looking to the side rather than to her front.? And they watch LM going over, and they see which way he turned - and they only then continue to walk, and this is were they were asked and gave that estimate - of around 10-15ft when he shouted out. That they then ran back to this V and LM was yet again on the other side.

And that he did clarify this more - that he drew this diagram for his Flo of X marks the spot. And he did use that word "parallel" to where Jodi lay. So from that first to clarification, LM most definitely did, dig that hole deeper. He was not just saying past, nor staying 10-15ft. He used yards not feet.  LM from the off was given that distinct impression, that they had been at the spot where Jodi lay on the woodside and further clarified this - he was not saying exactly as in given the correct measurements. He had not measured how far down from this V he had left her hidden - but he most definitely was given enough distance, by that estimate of "a few yards....not even twenty yards" Then his diagram to show them exactly where he meant.

And from this we can tell the search trio where being honest from the off. That LM had climbed the wall where a few stones are missing along the top (Gino). That they came to another break in the wall, this time down the way (V) That upon reaching here, they mentioned the dog, they mentioned of him again looking into the woodland, by accessing it fully. That after he started to walk to his left, that AW remained at this V. That they (SK and JaJ) had walked a few feet, around 10 not more than 15 when LM shouted out.

Therefore, yes the whole scenario is completely relevant. From leading them to the path. From introducing the woodland at the Gino spot. And from the lies LM told. That complete contrast in accounts. That everything that LM claimed, about where they were, of choosing those words, led to Jodi, alerted to Jodi, air sniffing and so forth - where lies. There was no alert from his dog to where Jodi was. Neither him, the search party or his dog, were where he claimed them to be. 

And he did enter this woodland with ease, no trepidation, no unfamiliarity - straight to the point. 

[Nicholas]

Take a good look at this from SL: Ignore the 16.3 meters,  it should have been 13.6. Which is fine, the odd thing about it however is that figure in feet should be well implanted in ones mind. These details are very important. However we have Luke's first statement, that verbatim used. "a few yards...not even twenty yards" But of the 50ft maximum. Now with the 13.6 meters it is 44ft. So not at the maximum given of 50ft. Then she cleverly and intentionally drops in this 10-15ft. Not full verbatim, not part of the first account and not from LM. Lots of missing parts and..... - stop and - when the dog reacted on the path side. And of Kelly and Janine not saying how far past the V point the dog reacted - stop - only that she did. How clever is this worded. As they did not say the dog had "reacted" first of all, and they most definitely gave no indication of it, them and LM doing anything passed this V. Nothing at all at this point, from those first statements, no estimates of how many feet passed and so forth - for they did not. And of they continued down this path while Luke doubled back - wrong again. Luke claimed to double back not the trio. And onto the truthful part - that they did run back when Luke shouted out.

Then to the theatrics of the prosecution - Of this 40-50ft past the V - as LM used yards, but as Ms Lean already highlighted - no more that 50ft with LM's estimate of how far he had went. Then, so it is relevant to the Crowns case if it had been 40-50ft passed the V that he was lying as this is not where the search party or the dog were. But highlights that if the dog had reacted say 10-15ft passed the V then it is not irrelevant, note the IF, as LM did not say this. - and skips to tying it in with Janine and Kelly. As they did say in their initial statements that they had walked around 10-15ft passed this V break. But this extract from their statement is taken from after LM went over the V break, that they then continued down the path, that they had walked no more that around 10 -15ft when they ran back to the V after LM shouted out.

So again - note that wording, "Kelly and Janine didn't say how far past the V point the dog reacted" as they did not say at all, of them being past the V at this point. Not asked how far past as there was nothing to ask.  They were not asked how far at this point as they gave no indication of being past it.  And onto "only that she did" - Only that she, the dog had did something.

And this is how I am sure. That minute area of verbatim used from LM's statement, which has to be used, as it was used against him. Not one estimate of feet past this V from the search trio at this point as they were not past the V. None of them. Neither did DF manage to pull up anything from their statements to suggest they had indicated even 1.2 or 3 ft passed this V break. - only that he tried to pick up on them mentioning about the dog pulling at the V and of standing up at it. Of the change from this to saying it was LM who led his dog to the V. That the dog was standing directly next to this V, the left and of it's head being level with said V.

And the last part of it tallies with the stories that Luke handed the dog's lead to Alice. Stories, see, one has to say this as we know that JaJ, AW and Luke gave an account of the lead being handed to Alice. This is one of those clearest points that we can see of manipulation, of attempting to tie in this 10-15ft in reference to walking past, as she states they then continued to walk down this path - but we know this is demonstrably wrong as one could not see the lead being handed over, or the dog pulling at this V, nor the dog standing up at the V and of LM turning to his left. - and that AW was a couple of ft behind - all in sequence. They stopped at the V, AW right behind them. Looking to the side rather than to her front.? And they watch LM going over, and they see which way he turned - and they only then continue to walk, and this is were they were asked and gave that estimate - of around 10-15ft when he shouted out. That they then ran back to this V and LM was yet again on the other side.

And that he did clarify this more - that he drew this diagram for his Flo of X marks the spot. And he did use that word "parallel" to where Jodi lay. So from that first to clarification, LM most definitely did, dig that hole deeper. He was not just saying past, nor staying 10-15ft. He used yards not feet.  LM from the off was given that distinct impression, that they had been at the spot where Jodi lay on the woodside and further clarified this - he was not saying exactly as in given the correct measurements. He had not measured how far down from this V he had left her hidden - but he most definitely was given enough distance, by that estimate of "a few yards....not even twenty yards" Then his diagram to show them exactly where he meant.

And from this we can tell the search trio where being honest from the off. That LM had climbed the wall where a few stones are missing along the top (Gino). That they came to another break in the wall, this time down the way (V) That upon reaching here, they mentioned the dog, they mentioned of him again looking into the woodland, by accessing it fully. That after he started to walk to his left, that AW remained at this V. That they (SK and JaJ) had walked a few feet, around 10 not more than 15 when LM shouted out.

Therefore, yes the whole scenario is completely relevant. From leading them to the path. From introducing the woodland at the Gino spot. And from the lies LM told. That complete contrast in accounts. That everything that LM claimed, about where they were, of choosing those words, led to Jodi, alerted to Jodi, air sniffing and so forth - where lies. There was no alert from his dog to where Jodi was. Neither him, the search party or his dog, were where he claimed them to be. 

And he did enter this woodland with ease, no trepidation, no unfamiliarity - straight to the point.

And so in control - once he was over the V - he didn’t shout out because he allegedly didn’t want to upset AW 🙄

[Parky41]

Take a good look at this from SL: Ignore the 16.3 meters,  it should have been 13.6. Which is fine, the odd thing about it however is that figure in feet should be well implanted in ones mind. These details are very important. However we have Luke's first statement, that verbatim used. "a few yards...not even twenty yards" But of the 50ft maximum. Now with the 13.6 meters it is 44ft. So not at the maximum given of 50ft. Then she cleverly and intentionally drops in this 10-15ft. Not full verbatim, not part of the first account and not from LM. Lots of missing parts and..... - stop and - when the dog reacted on the path side. And of Kelly and Janine not saying how far past the V point the dog reacted - stop - only that she did. How clever is this worded. As they did not say the dog had "reacted" first of all, and they most definitely gave no indication of it, them and LM doing anything passed this V. Nothing at all at this point, from those first statements, no estimates of how many feet passed and so forth - for they did not. And of they continued down this path while Luke doubled back - wrong again. Luke claimed to double back not the trio. And onto the truthful part - that they did run back when Luke shouted out.

Then to the theatrics of the prosecution - Of this 40-50ft past the V - as LM used yards, but as Ms Lean already highlighted - no more that 50ft with LM's estimate of how far he had went. Then, so it is relevant to the Crowns case if it had been 40-50ft passed the V that he was lying as this is not where the search party or the dog were. But highlights that if the dog had reacted say 10-15ft passed the V then it is not irrelevant, note the IF, as LM did not say this. - and skips to tying it in with Janine and Kelly. As they did say in their initial statements that they had walked around 10-15ft passed this V break. But this extract from their statement is taken from after LM went over the V break, that they then continued down the path, that they had walked no more that around 10 -15ft when they ran back to the V after LM shouted out.

So again - note that wording, "Kelly and Janine didn't say how far past the V point the dog reacted" as they did not say at all, of them being past the V at this point. Not asked how far past as there was nothing to ask.  They were not asked how far at this point as they gave no indication of being past it.  And onto "only that she did" - Only that she, the dog had did something.

And this is how I am sure. That minute area of verbatim used from LM's statement, which has to be used, as it was used against him. Not one estimate of feet past this V from the search trio at this point as they were not past the V. None of them. Neither did DF manage to pull up anything from their statements to suggest they had indicated even 1.2 or 3 ft passed this V break. - only that he tried to pick up on them mentioning about the dog pulling at the V and of standing up at it. Of the change from this to saying it was LM who led his dog to the V. That the dog was standing directly next to this V, the left and of it's head being level with said V.

And the last part of it tallies with the stories that Luke handed the dog's lead to Alice. Stories, see, one has to say this as we know that JaJ, AW and Luke gave an account of the lead being handed to Alice. This is one of those clearest points that we can see of manipulation, of attempting to tie in this 10-15ft in reference to walking past, as she states they then continued to walk down this path - but we know this is demonstrably wrong as one could not see the lead being handed over, or the dog pulling at this V, nor the dog standing up at the V and of LM turning to his left. - and that AW was a couple of ft behind - all in sequence. They stopped at the V, AW right behind them. Looking to the side rather than to her front.? And they watch LM going over, and they see which way he turned - and they only then continue to walk, and this is were they were asked and gave that estimate - of around 10-15ft when he shouted out. That they then ran back to this V and LM was yet again on the other side.

And that he did clarify this more - that he drew this diagram for his Flo of X marks the spot. And he did use that word "parallel" to where Jodi lay. So from that first to clarification, LM most definitely did, dig that hole deeper. He was not just saying past, nor staying 10-15ft. He used yards not feet.  LM from the off was given that distinct impression, that they had been at the spot where Jodi lay on the woodside and further clarified this - he was not saying exactly as in given the correct measurements. He had not measured how far down from this V he had left her hidden - but he most definitely was given enough distance, by that estimate of "a few yards....not even twenty yards" Then his diagram to show them exactly where he meant.

And from this we can tell the search trio where being honest from the off. That LM had climbed the wall where a few stones are missing along the top (Gino). That they came to another break in the wall, this time down the way (V) That upon reaching here, they mentioned the dog, they mentioned of him again looking into the woodland, by accessing it fully. That after he started to walk to his left, that AW remained at this V. That they (SK and JaJ) had walked a few feet, around 10 not more than 15 when LM shouted out.

Therefore, yes the whole scenario is completely relevant. From leading them to the path. From introducing the woodland at the Gino spot. And from the lies LM told. That complete contrast in accounts. That everything that LM claimed, about where they were, of choosing those words, led to Jodi, alerted to Jodi, air sniffing and so forth - where lies. There was no alert from his dog to where Jodi was. Neither him, the search party or his dog, were where he claimed them to be. 

And he did enter this woodland with ease, no trepidation, no unfamiliarity - straight to the point.

And to further clarity what I had stated before. Of clear reasons as to why the police were suspicious of LM. That one such area was this contrast in statements. That they were far from being in harmony with that of LM's. That whilst this search trio may have mentioned actions of this dog at this V break, it was LM who was using alert, led to and air sniffing. That his account, his scenario was that his dog had alerted him, pretty much to where Jodi actually lay. That this search trio had given details of his actions upon entering this woodland at this V break. And also that he had looked into the woodland, prior to this at the Gino spot.

That the simplest route, if there had in fact been harmony with LM's account would be showing exactly what this search trio had said, in sequence, in their scenario of what had happened. This has not been shown, for it can not be shown - as they were not saying the same thing as LM, at all.

And this was pretty much the case with that  entire evening. We had LM claiming he was at home, that Jodi was coming to his after his dinner, around 6pm. We had Jodi's mother saying that Jodi had left home much earlier than this. That she did not know she was getting out earlier until her arrival home from school. That Jodi had told her mother, that they (LM and Jodi) would be "mucking around up here". That there had been that exchange of texts, that only LM would have known that Jodi was getting out earlier. She had not contacted anyone else. We have LM who is claiming he was simply waiting around for Jodi to arrive, of walking this path to meet with him. We have Jodi's mother saying that Jodi was not supposed to walk this path alone. We have LM saying he had left home around 5.45pm to meet with Jodi for 6pm. We have Jodi's parents saying LM had phoned, and we have LM saying he made this call from the Abbey entrance, which put him leaving home around 5.30pm for this meet at 6pm. We have this short time of waiting for her, walking this path alone, and it's isolation - to being from around 5.30pm until he was in the company of the boys around 7.30pm. We have LM being told that Jodi had already left to meet him. We have LM saying "she is not coming out" "thought maybe she had dumped me" and "I thought you had grounded her"  We have LM not phoning back when she did not arrive after that long period of time, and we have LM phoning the boys back when they were slightly late.

We already know the ever changing scenario of the alibi. - That there was this relaxed, very detailed dinner account, that had CM home around five past five. We have SM changing his story to fit exactly in with this, of his mother arriving home around five past five. Of speaking with his mother, of waiting around ten mins until dinner was ready and so forth. Which changed to CM being home no earlier than 5.15pm. Of LM leaving home for 5.30pm rather than 5.45pm. Of SM then having to leave earlier than LM, for he did not see his brother on his way out of the estate or at the estate entrance. So every fine detail of this relaxed dinner tale, it's change, had to fit very neatly into less than 15mins. And we know that the dinner was claimed not to ready, further cooking had to be done. Then of course we have the porn, and of listening out for anyone at home. That SM had, as the police knew, had been correct in his first statement and of his testimony in court - that he did not see his brother Luke that day around dinner time at all. - LM was not at home.

And we have his time with the boys. Which was remarkably shorter than usual. LM claimed to be home by 9pm, his mother claimed he was home by then. Therefore LM had left the boys much earlier than this time - being in their actual company for around an hour. That he was looking more kempt than his usual, scruffy, manky self. And he had been smoking dope. And Jodi had ingested cannabis - and that LM was the person with whom she would usually be smoking this with. And contrary to both LM and his mothers claims - LM was seen arriving home around 10pm.

And there was a fire going in the Mitchell garden that evening, evidence of this at different intervals. LM did carry knives, a lot. And there is still a missing knife. There is still a missing jacket - and coincidently, both the new knife and jacket bought - were replicas of the missing items. And there was both a sighting by AB and F&W who ID LM. And these sightings did coincide with the time Jodi left to meet with LM. And they were, at either end of RDP. The Easthouse's end and the Newbattle end - and in the middle, is where this poor girl met sadly met her end.  And there were noises heard by LK from behind this wall around 5.15pm.

And we do hear of all these scenarios of what one feels this girls family should have been doing? "armed with this knowledge of being up here" - Which we can see clearly, has neither time nor room for thought in the slightest, to fit into this 50mins. That the only thing that was prominent in this period of time - was that Jodi was missing, her boyfriend was telling her mother that she failed to turn up, turn up in Newbattle. That he did offer to search, that he would look on the this path. That it was him that introduced this path into their thought process. That she had barely been reported missing and he is on this path. That the police then attended at Jodi's house, that they had barely stepped out the door - and bang, Jodi is found dead. And she was found by LM within this very short period of time. (10mins) That he did introduce the woodland in to the search at the first break. Then upon reaching the next break, the accessible one - LM entered this woodland, that he had taken around 10-15 steps in line with the search trio, on the path side - and he shouted out. 


And we know he gave testimony to this red hair bobble, the tree, the socks and the clothing - we know Jodi had changed. That she did wear school colours. We do hear each and every extraordinary reasoning for this. Of reporters and the police letting him know. Of items being moved around and bodies being "rolled".

[Parky41]

And so in control - once he was over the V - he didn’t shout out because he allegedly didn’t want to upset AW 🙄

To show why he had no emotion in his voice, of not wanting to worry AW? Which does tie in with JaJ's clarification, that it was the mere fact of finding something that caused concern, something bad. How loud does a voice sound, in the stillness of the night, away from traffic and so forth? That he did not want to say to AW what he had claimed to just find - LM wanted AW and the others - to see Jodi!

[Nicholas]

To show why he had no emotion in his voice, of not wanting to worry AW? Which does tie in with JaJ's clarification, that it was the mere fact of finding something that caused concern, something bad. How loud does a voice sound, in the stillness of the night, away from traffic and so forth? That he did not want to say to AW what he had claimed to just find - LM wanted AW and the others - to see Jodi!

He did

And what was it he said - or didn’t say - to the 999 operator?