More recent events related to Madeleine McCann's case

[Carana]

If Bruckner’s number is in the files then why didn’t the PJ make more strenuous efforts to investigate him, or do sceptics believe it’s quite acceptable to rule suspects out on the strength of an unanswered  knock on the door?

Unless I'm mistaken, OG did most of the plodwork in wading through phone numbers (I'm not sure whether the PJ ever went much beyond the McCanns, Murat and those associated with them).

I'm trying to verify if the Portuguese required ID to buy a pay-as-you-go number / SIM back then. If not, identifying the holders would have been difficult, if not impossible, unless it cross-referenced to someone.

Brueckner may or may not have been in the files, and even if he were, his phone number might not have been noted, or he could have changed it or had more than one.

What seems more likely to me is that the Germans got a tip-off, identifying him as the holder of the number, and then checked whether the number corresponded to one of the ones in the files.

[barrier]

Unless I'm mistaken, OG did most of the plodwork in wading through phone numbers (I'm not sure whether the PJ ever went much beyond the McCanns, Murat and those associated with them).

I'm trying to verify if the Portuguese required ID to buy a pay-as-you-go number / SIM back then. If not, identifying the holders would have been difficult, if not impossible, unless it cross-referenced to someone.

Brueckner may or may not have been in the files, and even if he were, his phone number might not have been noted, or he could have changed it or had more than one.

What seems more likely to me is that the Germans got a tip-off, identifying him as the holder of the number, and then checked whether the number corresponded to one of the ones in the files.

OG went deep into the phone records why wasn't CB flagged by them you have to ask, they came up with the three amigos.

[G-Unit]

Unless I'm mistaken, OG did most of the plodwork in wading through phone numbers (I'm not sure whether the PJ ever went much beyond the McCanns, Murat and those associated with them).

I'm trying to verify if the Portuguese required ID to buy a pay-as-you-go number / SIM back then. If not, identifying the holders would have been difficult, if not impossible, unless it cross-referenced to someone.

Brueckner may or may not have been in the files, and even if he were, his phone number might not have been noted, or he could have changed it or had more than one.

What seems more likely to me is that the Germans got a tip-off, identifying him as the holder of the number, and then checked whether the number corresponded to one of the ones in the files.

The PJ requested the mobile phone data for use if required, not with the intention of 'wading' through it.

One of the rogatory questions was about the owner of a portuguese mobile phone. It turned out to be one of the two purchased by contacts of David Payne on 4th May and delivered to him at Portimao police station. He kept one and gave the other to the McCanns. Those phones were bought without ID, or the PJ would have been able to trace an owner.

I agree that the Germans were given the number and then found evidence of it being in the area.

[Carana]

OG went deep into the phone records why wasn't CB flagged by them you have to ask, they came up with the three amigos.

I'm not sure you actually read my post.

[G-Unit]

OG went deep into the phone records why wasn't CB flagged by them you have to ask, they came up with the three amigos.

They could have investigated the three amigos because of a tip off.

[Uncle Jr]

OG went deep into the phone records why wasn't CB flagged by them you have to ask, they came up with the three amigos.

That's a good question. Maybe they shared information with the German police who had access to additional resources to analyse data further, or had linked intelligence that made CB's number corroborate something?

[Mr Gray]

That's a good question. Maybe they shared information with the German police who had access to additional resources to analyse data further, or had linked intelligence that made CB's number corroborate something?

More likely the fact they had convictions for burglary... It seems Grange were not aware that CB had criminal convictions yet according to Amaral they went knocking on his door... Were grange aware of this

[Uncle Jr]

More likely the fact they had convictions for burglary... It seems Grange were not aware that CB had criminal convictions yet according to Amaral they went knocking on his door... Were grange aware of this

Probably. Let's get it right, the resources OG had their disposal far outweighed those of the PJ. I'm sure they went through every scrap meticulously, including all doors knocked on, all known chavs shook down and all known or suspected nonces.

[Carana]

More likely the fact they had convictions for burglary... It seems Grange were not aware that CB had criminal convictions yet according to Amaral they went knocking on his door... Were grange aware of this

Perhaps Amaral has confused CB with some rasta guy with cartoon characters all over a van?

[Carana]

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[Mr Gray]

Probably. Let's get it right, the resources OG had their disposal far outweighed those of the PJ. I'm sure they went through every scrap meticulously, including all doors knocked on, all known chavs shook down and all known or suspected nonces.

Quite possible PJ did not record the visit... Lots of unknowns apart from amaral saying the PJ were, aware of him bit didn't follow it up

[Uncle Jr]

Quite possible PJ did not record the visit... Lots of unknowns apart from amaral saying the PJ were, aware of him bit didn't follow it up

They knocked on one of his doors didn't they? If he was such a prolific recidivist then he's known to local police.
OG, IMO, sifted through the PJ records and went back over each 'intelligence'. Either that, or they were derelict in their duty.
As far as I see it, they matched their own findings with a phone call to CB's mobile 'somewhere' in the vicitiny.

....and isn't it all a bit coincidental that an apparently unrelated polcie force crack the case? A police force who happen to be of the same nationality as their new suspect?

[Mr Gray]

They knocked on one of his doors didn't they? If he was such a prolific recidivist then he's known to local police.
OG, IMO, sifted through the PJ records and went back over each 'intelligence'. Either that, or they were derelict in their duty.
As far as I see it, they matched their own findings with a phone call to CB's mobile 'somewhere' in the vicitiny.

....and isn't it all a bit coincidental that an apparently unrelated polcie force crack the case? A police force who happen to be of the same nationality as their new suspect?

Do you know how CB came into the frame... No coincidence... May well be down to Grange

[Uncle Jr]

Do you know how CB came into the frame... No coincidence... May well be down to Grange

That's what I was driving at.

[G-Unit]

Quite possible PJ did not record the visit... Lots of unknowns apart from amaral saying the PJ were, aware of him bit didn't follow it up

Fancy quoting Amaral! Is that a first?