More recent events related to Madeleine McCann's case

[G-Unit]

In whatever form "one of the last sentences spoken by a child who disappeared off the face of the earth later that day" appears the actual occurrence was narrated by Kate McCann.

No-one would know anything at all about it but for that.

You really are scraping the bottom of the barrel when you are having to rely on the word of an individual you evidence such loathing and distrust of all and everything she has ever done or said while traducing her.

Really quite extraordinary.

I don't rely on the word of those whose stories change.

[Mr Gray]

I don't rely on the word of those whose stories change.

I think it's established now that Maddie was abducted by a stranger.. And there is definitive evidence to to support it.
That makes all your reasoning and assumptions over the past 14 years, wrong.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I don't rely on the word of those whose stories change.

I’d strong suggest you don’t rely on the word of anyone because the human memory is fallible and accounts can change subtly over the course of time.  In fact people who stict rigidly to the exact same story are probably working from a script. 

[Brietta]

I don't rely on the word of those whose stories change.

With reference to the thread title "More recent events related to Madeleine McCann's case" is there anything you have to say about those who fabricate stories as they go along.

Goncalo Amaral has been pretty good at that from "Swingers" to "Calpol" to "fridges" to "100% DNA" et al.  His latest fantasy regarding his blatant falsehoods in an effort to derail the German investigation into Madelaine's case is indeed wonderous to behold.

You don't think that making up desperate lies could be considered just a tad iffy.  STRANGE to say the least 👀

[Mr Gray]

I don't rely on the word of those whose stories change.

What do you think of Mark Harrison who Grime credits with the idea of using the alerts, as intelligence... First saying the alerts may show that a cadaver has been present... Then changing his mind saying no inference can be drawn. 
That's one of the reasons why I think the, alerts are a load of conkers.

[G-Unit]

With reference to the thread title "More recent events related to Madeleine McCann's case" is there anything you have to say about those who fabricate stories as they go along.

Goncalo Amaral has been pretty good at that from "Swingers" to "Calpol" to "fridges" to "100% DNA" et al.  His latest fantasy regarding his blatant falsehoods in an effort to derail the German investigation into Madelaine's case is indeed wonderous to behold.

You don't think that making up desperate lies could be considered just a tad iffy.  STRANGE to say the least 👀

Those are theories, not accounts of something which (it was claimed) really happened.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Did you know that when you say “we” it means you plus one or more other person/people, therefore these two sentences do not contradict each other?

And reply came there none.

[G-Unit]

And reply came there none.

Meaning is immaterial. Accuracy is the point when repeating another person's words.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Meaning is immaterial. Accuracy is the point when repeating another person's words.

It is accurate.  “We” is the same as “Sean and I”, you are once again making mountains out of molehills, it’s utterly pathetic that you are having to resort to this imo.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Consider this.  Madeleine may well have said “why didn’t you come when we were crying?”
Kate may then have asked “who was crying darling?”
Madeleine may have responded “Sean and I were”

So both “we” and “Sean and I” would be correct, not that it matters a good goddam, except to extreme pedants with an axe to grind.

[G-Unit]

Consider this.  Madeleine may well have said “why didn’t you come when we were crying?”
Kate may then have asked “who was crying darling?”
Madeleine may have responded “Sean and I were”

So both “we” and “Sean and I” would be correct, not that it matters a good goddam, except to extreme pedants with an axe to grind.

The story isn't significant at all. The significance is that the story changes.

[Vertigo Swirl]

The story isn't significant at all. The significance is that the story changes.

The story doesn't change in any significant detail, you are seeing things, IMO.

[Brietta]

Those are theories, not accounts of something which (it was claimed) really happened.

You are wrong.

There is nothing theoretical about the very long list of nasty and dishonourably underhand leaks to the press which are a feature of Amaral's time as an investigator, of which those I listed are but a few. 
One of the later ones you seem to have adopted as your very own cause celebre which caused as much embarrassment to the new Portuguese investigation as it did to the McCanns when their confidential witness statements were leaked to the press.

Police chief tells of anger over 'crying Maddie' leak
By DANIEL BOFFEY

Last updated at 22:35 12 April 2008


Portugal's top policeman has told friends of Kate and Gerry McCann of his regret that witness statements by the couple were leaked to the media.

One excerpt suggested that on the morning of her disappearance, Madeleine said: "Mummy, why didn't you come when we were crying last night?"

The couple were furious and have accused the Portuguese police of attempting to slur them as they approach the anniversary of their daughter's disappearance on May 3.

The leak to a Spanish television station overshadowed the McCanns' visit on Thursday to Brussels where they called for a European rapid alert system for abducted children.

But it was revealed yesterday that Alipio Ribeiro, national director of the Policia Judiciaria, had interrupted interviews in Leicestershire with the "Tapas Seven" to tell the McCanns' friends of his own anger at the leak.

Mr Ribeiro returned a day early to Portugal on Friday after several days interrogating the friends who were on holiday with the McCanns in Praia da Luz last year.

A source said: "The matter came up in the interviews with Kate and Gerry's friends and Ribeiro was embarrassed by it.

"The leaks came as he was out of the country and he was angry about it. He also referred to it when speaking with Leicestershire police."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-559297/Police-chief-tells-anger-crying-Maddie-leak.html


The leak was of no importance as far as finding what had happened to Madeleine was concerned. 
As far as I can see there were two bonuses for those who orchestrated the leak

• to slur the McCanns
• to embarrass the new investigation put in place after Amaral was sacked which had taken a firm line as far as conducting a professional investigation was concerned

I think both those aims were achieved at the time.
What I can't fathom is what your aim is as you doggedly latch onto this frippery, apart from frustration at watching everything campaigned for over the years going up in smoke.
Maybe you will enlighten us; but who really cares - it is an irrelevance saying much more about you than anything else.

[G-Unit]

You are wrong.

There is nothing theoretical about the very long list of nasty and dishonourably underhand leaks to the press which are a feature of Amaral's time as an investigator, of which those I listed are but a few. 
One of the later ones you seem to have adopted as your very own cause celebre which caused as much embarrassment to the new Portuguese investigation as it did to the McCanns when their confidential witness statements were leaked to the press.

Police chief tells of anger over 'crying Maddie' leak
By DANIEL BOFFEY

Last updated at 22:35 12 April 2008


Portugal's top policeman has told friends of Kate and Gerry McCann of his regret that witness statements by the couple were leaked to the media.

One excerpt suggested that on the morning of her disappearance, Madeleine said: "Mummy, why didn't you come when we were crying last night?"

The couple were furious and have accused the Portuguese police of attempting to slur them as they approach the anniversary of their daughter's disappearance on May 3.

The leak to a Spanish television station overshadowed the McCanns' visit on Thursday to Brussels where they called for a European rapid alert system for abducted children.

But it was revealed yesterday that Alipio Ribeiro, national director of the Policia Judiciaria, had interrupted interviews in Leicestershire with the "Tapas Seven" to tell the McCanns' friends of his own anger at the leak.

Mr Ribeiro returned a day early to Portugal on Friday after several days interrogating the friends who were on holiday with the McCanns in Praia da Luz last year.

A source said: "The matter came up in the interviews with Kate and Gerry's friends and Ribeiro was embarrassed by it.

"The leaks came as he was out of the country and he was angry about it. He also referred to it when speaking with Leicestershire police."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-559297/Police-chief-tells-anger-crying-Maddie-leak.html


The leak was of no importance as far as finding what had happened to Madeleine was concerned. 
As far as I can see there were two bonuses for those who orchestrated the leak

• to slur the McCanns
• to embarrass the new investigation put in place after Amaral was sacked which had taken a firm line as far as conducting a professional investigation was concerned

I think both those aims were achieved at the time.
What I can't fathom is what your aim is as you doggedly latch onto this frippery, apart from frustration at watching everything campaigned for over the years going up in smoke.
Maybe you will enlighten us; but who really cares - it is an irrelevance saying much more about you than anything else.

The PJ denied the leak and I believe them because the report didn't match the McCann's statements.

"The PJ want to make it clear that is entirely false that the contents of this report included material from the inquiry which is covered by (the law of) secrecy of justice,"

[Vertigo Swirl]

The PJ denied the leak and I believe them because the report didn't match the McCann's statements.

"The PJ want to make it clear that is entirely false that the contents of this report included material from the inquiry which is covered by (the law of) secrecy of justice,"

just how naive can you be?   What is Portugal’s top police chief angry about then?