The Bambers: Murder at the farm - Sky Crime documentary

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SYNOPSIS
From Mindhouse Productions comes a forensic look at a complex case that remains in the public eye even after 35 years.

On 7th August 1985, local police entered a secluded Essex farmhouse to find five dead bodies —a young mother Sheila Caffell, her twin sons, and her parents. They’d been shot and killed. Initially it appeared to be the scene of a tragic murder-suicide committed by the troubled mother, Sheila. But fresh evidence would emerge to put Sheila’s brother Jeremy Bamber firmly in the frame. Arrested, charged, and convicted of all five murders, he was sent to prison for life. However, for the last 35 years, Bamber has been fighting his conviction from his maximum-security prison cell, consistently maintaining his innocence.

With access to previously unheard audio tapes of Jeremy Bamber, The Bambers: Murder at the Farm will use first-hand testimony and unseen archive footage to explore evidence that has emerged since the original trial and to re-examine the shocking events at White House Farm.

Is this it?

An interview with David James Smith which we already know Bamber told Mike Teskowski needed ‘guiding and controlling’ 🙄

‘I would love for you to let him have access to certain documents. Clearly he’ll need guiding and controlling to some extent - so it’s about showing him all the things we’ve/you’ve discovered over the past 8 years.

https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=211.msg2289#msg2289

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Is this it?

An interview with David James Smith which we already know Bamber told Mike Teskowski needed ‘guiding and controlling’ 🙄

‘I would love for you to let him have access to certain documents. Clearly he’ll need guiding and controlling to some extent - so it’s about showing him all the things we’ve/you’ve discovered over the past 8 years.

https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=211.msg2289#msg2289

Does anyone know if David James Smith passed his recorded prison interview of Bamber to the CCRC at anytime?

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Jeremy Bamber
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Flo Barrow
Series producer

We also unearthed unique material, including from journalist David James Smith who offered us exclusive access to his recordings of an interview with Jeremy Bamber from 2010; and author Carol Ann Lee discovered that her Dictaphone surprisingly still had audio on it from meeting Sheila and June Bamber’s psychiatrist as part of research for her book, The Murders at White House Farm. 
(Broadcastnow.co.uk)

That reads like David James Smith contacted Mindhouse?

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Lottie Gammon refers to using David James Smith’s audio of the interview ‘as a way of putting across Jeremy Bamber’s point of view’

https://twitter.com/BBCEssex/status/1441402540600532994

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That reads like David James Smith contacted Mindhouse?

Interestingly David James Smith omits to mention Virginia or Anji Greaves in his 2010 article for the Sunday times

Flip pdf here https://fliphtml5.com/mdtd/bfgq/basic

He states,

‘While Bamber began living it large after the killings, spending money of holidays, meals and drinks for him and his girlfriend, 21-year-old Julie Mugford, and other friends, his relatives - Ann, David and their father, Robert - quickly became suspicious,

He goes on,

‘’Bamber’s relationship with Mugford came under strain and they split up. A month after the killings, Mugford was having a heart-to-heart with a girlfriend, Lizzie Rimmington, who told her what a rogue Jeremy was, as he had slept with her while he was with Mugford.

Why does David James Smith choose to omit Virginia Greaves?

‘Tears again welled in his eyes as he said he had not deserved what she had done to him. “She should never have gone to the police, but she didn’t know what she was doing. She didn’t realise the consequences of making those allegations and starting the ball rolling.”

He believes once she had started she couldn’t stop and had to keep the lies going. Of course he calls them lies but the jury seems to have accepted them as the truth. 

“I’ve lived with people for 25 years now who have killed people and attacked people and done awful, awful things for so little. Because peoples emotions when you’re talking about love… Julie had always said to me, if you sleep with Lizzie, I’ll kill you”.

What about Virginia Greaves?

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Interestingly David James Smith omits to mention Virginia or Anji Greaves in his 2010 article for the Sunday times

Flip pdf here https://fliphtml5.com/mdtd/bfgq/basic

He states,

‘While Bamber began living it large after the killings, spending money of holidays, meals and drinks for him and his girlfriend, 21-year-old Julie Mugford, and other friends, his relatives - Ann, David and their father, Robert - quickly became suspicious,

He goes on,

‘’Bamber’s relationship with Mugford came under strain and they split up. A month after the killings, Mugford was having a heart-to-heart with a girlfriend, Lizzie Rimmington, who told her what a rogue Jeremy was, as he had slept with her while he was with Mugford.

Why does David James Smith choose to omit Virginia Greaves?

‘Tears again welled in his eyes as he said he had not deserved what she had done to him. “She should never have gone to the police, but she didn’t know what she was doing. She didn’t realise the consequences of making those allegations and starting the ball rolling.”

He believes once she had started she couldn’t stop and had to keep the lies going. Of course he calls them lies but the jury seems to have accepted them as the truth. 

“I’ve lived with people for 25 years now who have killed people and attacked people and done awful, awful things for so little. Because peoples emotions when you’re talking about love… Julie had always said to me, if you sleep with Lizzie, I’ll kill you”.

What about Virginia Greaves?

Why didn’t David James Smith factor in any of this ⬇️ for example

Journalist Roger Wilkes stated in his book ‘Blood Relations’

‘Marsden said that he had visited Jeremy at his cottage the previous Thursday night.  Brett Collins had cooked them a chicken dinner and the three had then repaired to the Caribbean Cottage at Burnham for drinks.  Jeremy had announced that he and Julie had split up the previous weekend.  While he didn't give a specific reason, Marsden had the impression that Julie had disliked Brett Collins.  In any case, Jeremy added, he now had a new girlfriend, Virginia Greaves, who used to go out with Mike Deckers of the Frog and Beans.  Jeremy also told Charles Marsden that he and Brett were going to sell Bourtree Cottage and move to Sheila's flat in Maida Vale.  Virginia would move in too, Jeremy added.

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Excerpt by David James Smith during a speech given at the University of Sussex Crime Research Centre (CRC) Annual Public Lecture on Wednesday 28 July 2021 on mass murderer and child killer Jeremy Bamber

‘A fascinating thing about him that I always cite, is that Jeremy Bamber has no diagnosis of being mentally ill or a psychopath. To all intents and purposes he is as normal as you and me. He charms people still and wins them over to his cause. He is a fascinating study of the essence of investigating miscarriages of justice. He is what it’s all about. The claim and counter claim, the obscuring of the truth, the complexity and ambiguity of the evidence, the lingering suggestion of police impropriety.http://www.sussex.ac.uk/crime/newsandevents

Why does David James Smith ‘always cite’ this when it’s not true?

Carol Ann Lee - Mail on Sunday - 11th July 2015
‘….the psychiatrist engaged by Bamber’s defence team said that his very real belief that he had not committed the murders was a prime reason for diagnosing him as a psychopath.’
‘If ever there was a psychopath, it’s Jeremy Bamber.’

David James Smith worked for the CCRC reviewing Criminal convictions.

If he’s wrong on this what else has he been wrong on?

‘David has a close interest in criminal justice and served five years (2013-2018) as a Commissioner at The Criminal Cases Review Commission, appointed by HM The Queen to oversee investigations into miscarriages of justice. http://www.davidjamessmith.net/about/

I communicated briefly with David James Smith in early 2019.

I don’t know if it was a coincidence when the CCRC removed the link to convicted/exonerated killer Michael O’Brien’s video they’d collaborated with him on, after I mentioned it to David but the link stopped working very soon after. (It’s still available to watch here https://wearestraightline.com/video/11-years-wrongly-imprisoned-michaels-story and via the CCRC’s Facebook page here https://en-gb.facebook.com/criminalcasesreview/posts/ccrc-weve-posted-a-new-ccrc-film-on-our-website-we-made-it-with-national-prison-/791665714290789/)

I didn’t know much about David James Smith at the time and certainly wasn’t aware of the following https://blackwatertown.wordpress.com/2010/12/05/how-to-make-a-comeback-from-being-burned-at-the-stake/ from 2010 but it would be interesting to know why he has always cited Bamber as never having been diagnosed as a psychopath.
‘Killer church warden Ben Field was no ordinary psychopath - as his chilling diaries show'
‘EXCLUSIVE: Gaslighting and manipulating his elderly lovers, evil Ben Field was jailed for murder in 2019. Here, crime writer David James Smith journeys into his dark mind

In his new book Let Us Prey, available on Audible, crime writer David James Smith journeys into his dark mind and the diary entries where he fantasised about smothering the entire neighbourhood.

‘One of the only journalists allowed to interview White House Farm killer Jeremy Bamber in prison, Smith here tells how Field is more "breathtakingly wicked" than any murderer he has ever covered.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/killer-church-warden-ben-field-24581812

Has David James Smith not recognised Bamber’s ‘gaslighting and manipulating’ over these past 35 or so years and does he not consider Bamber to be ‘breathtakingly wicked’?

What does David James Smith mean by ‘no ordinary psychopath’?

How would he describe an ‘ordinary psychopath’ ?

And who does David James Smith view to be ‘an ordinary psychopath’?

The following are excerpts taken from David James Smiths July 2021 article for the Mirror on killer Ben Field



‘Gaslighting and manipulating’ his ‘lovers’

‘deceived lovers in a twisted campaign of lies’

‘duped into a fake relationship’

‘before drugging him with a cocktail of pills’

‘admitted entering into a false love affair’

‘sick games’

‘String of lovers’

‘He had a lot of sex with a lot of different people - quite a few of whom he claimed to be in love with, at the same time.’

‘priming him with drugs and alcohol’

‘cruel humiliation’

‘gaslighting and conning her at every step’

‘pretending to love her when he really felt nothing towards her’

‘You might think Field was motivated by money, but I would say that was wrong.
He was driven by the bloodless sport of malice and degradation that he inflicted on those two old people who fell for him, for the person they thought he was.’

‘Field tricked them. He tricked everyone around him.’

‘They thought he was charming and likeable, as well as very witty and clever, and found it almost unbelievable when they heard he was suspected of murder.’

‘Incapable of ordinary human emotions such as empathy, he observed those qualities in others and copied them for himself. He was all a pretence.’

‘He studied Machiavelli and did things, he said, because he could, because it pleased him to outsmart others and because he derived pleasure in inflicting cruelty and humiliation.’

‘He was in relationships with Lara Busby and Nina Eriksen-Grey during the same period, and had one-off sex with various men he met on Craig’s List and Grindr.’



Does David James Smith really not recognise any of the above in executioner, child killer and sexual predator Bamber?

Further excerpts by David James Smith


‘I have met and written about many murderers - covering the deaths of James Bulger and Jill Dando, and interviewing White House Farm killer Jeremy Bamber in prison.

Yet I have never come across anyone quite as breathtakingly wicked as Ben Field.’

‘His parents attended much of the trial and sometimes sat gripping each other’s hands as fresh horrors unfolded. His mother bowed her head in evident shame.

He was not the son she thought he was.‘

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See what happens when a couple of clueless numpties are let free rein on the case. 

Peter Tatchell has also been interviewed by Mindhouse TV

https://www.sky.com/watch/title/series/88834c5f-a6ab-4ef3-9922-98f9cb4708b3/the-bambers-murder-at-the-farm-88834c5f-a6ab-4ef3-9922-98f9cb4708b3/episodes/season-1/episode-4

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The following are excerpts taken from David James Smiths July 2021 article for the Mirror on killer Ben Field


‘Gaslighting and manipulating’ his ‘lovers’

‘deceived lovers in a twisted campaign of lies’

‘duped into a fake relationship’

‘before drugging him with a cocktail of pills’

I wouldn’t describe the girl from the Chequers public house as a ‘lover’ of Bamber’s

And I wouldn’t describe Julie Mugford as Bamber’s ‘lover’ either - although at the time she may have thought she was in a monogamous girlfriend/boyfriend type relationship

Both women were victims - Julie was ‘duped into a fake relationship’ and it would appear from very early in the relationship Bamber ‘deceived’ her ‘in a twisted campaign of lies’

Bamber’s ‘gaslighting and manipulating’ is evident between Virginia Greaves and Julie, as well as Liz Rimmimgton - who Bamber slept with behind Julies back

Liz Rimmington and Virginia Greaves were also Bamber’s victims

David James Smith only mentions Liz Rimmimgton by name in his 2010 Sunday times article - but there were others (Virginia Greaves was one & Brett Collins another)

‘’Bamber’s relationship with Mugford came under strain and they split up. A month after the killings, Mugford was having a heart-to-heart with a girlfriend, Lizzie Rimmington, who told her what a rogue Jeremy was, as he had slept with her while he was with Mugford.

The relationship was clearly already ‘under strain’ (A great deal of it) well before Bamber committed mass murder.

Why did David James Smith seemingly attempt to minimise this in his published Sunday Times article?

Bamber was already displaying his aggression and violent streak towards Julie - like for example when he smashed the door in after Julie confronted him about the incident involving the girl from the Chequers public house

David James Smith stated,

‘Bamber’s relationship with Mugford came under strain and they split up’

But it wasn’t as black and white as David James Smith appeared to want us to believe

Bamber was giving Julie mixed messages - the note he sent her whilst on remand in prison was just one example of this - he was ‘gaslighting and conning her at every step’

and from day one

It’s what psychopaths like him do

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Lottie Gammon refers to using David James Smith’s audio of the interview ‘as a way of putting across Jeremy Bamber’s point of view’

https://twitter.com/BBCEssex/status/1441402540600532994

Essex news only put out this one snippet from Lottie Gammon on David James Smith and already - from this - lies are being told by omission

Lottie Gammon describes David James Smith as the ‘Sunday times journalist’

No mention of him having been a CCRC* commissioner between 2013 and 2018

Although this fact may get mentioned in the forthcoming docu series

*The CCRC referred the murder conviction of actually, factually sadistic killer Simon Hall to the Court of Appeal (CoA) in 2009
How many other actually, factually guilty killers had their murder convictions referred by the CCRC to the CoA and had their murder conviction overturned on technicalities both before and after Hall?

How many cases/convictions was David James Smith involved with at the CCRC and what were the names of each of the cases/convictions he worked on?

Was David James Smith ever involved in anyway with the Dwaine George* case/conviction ?

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http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9315.msg560231#msg560231
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http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9318.msg572949#msg572949

*David McCorkle was Dwaine George’s lawyer - he was also Simon Hall’s and back in 2012 McCorkle helped Hall fudge his Guittard application for an early move to open prison conditions

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https://www.sky.com/watch/title/series/88834c5f-a6ab-4ef3-9922-98f9cb4708b3/the-bambers-murder-at-the-farm-88834c5f-a6ab-4ef3-9922-98f9cb4708b3/episodes/season-1/episode-4

1. Chris Bews obviously, but looking worryingly like Tesko in front of his Welsh Dresser...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2V1BWtxcrzc

2. ?

3. A journalist from some red top... can't think which one though?

4. Which internet sleuths support him?!!!      Only Holy Godhead as far as I'm aware.

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https://www.sky.com/watch/title/series/88834c5f-a6ab-4ef3-9922-98f9cb4708b3/the-bambers-murder-at-the-farm-88834c5f-a6ab-4ef3-9922-98f9cb4708b3/episodes/season-1/episode-4

1. Chris Bews obviously, but looking worryingly like Tesko in front of his Welsh Dresser...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2V1BWtxcrzc

Mike Teskowski (aka Tesko) is like a chameleon

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_mE4NTLVoM

 

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https://www.sky.com/watch/title/series/88834c5f-a6ab-4ef3-9922-98f9cb4708b3/the-bambers-murder-at-the-farm-88834c5f-a6ab-4ef3-9922-98f9cb4708b3/episodes/season-1/episode-4

1. Chris Bews obviously, but looking worryingly like Tesko in front of his Welsh Dresser...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2V1BWtxcrzc

2. ?

3. A journalist from some red top... can't think which one though?

That’s not Kieron Saunders is it?

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https://www.sky.com/watch/title/series/88834c5f-a6ab-4ef3-9922-98f9cb4708b3/the-bambers-murder-at-the-farm-88834c5f-a6ab-4ef3-9922-98f9cb4708b3/episodes/season-1/episode-4

1. Chris Bews obviously, but looking worryingly like Tesko in front of his Welsh Dresser...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2V1BWtxcrzc

2. ?.

Could 2 be Sheila Caffell’s friend?