The known facts and the speculations featuring Brueckner, the prime suspect

[Vertigo Swirl]

Whether Amaral affected the German investigation is a matter of opinion, but the Germans themselves say he didn't.

There are right and wrong ways to conduct an investigation and if it's done wrongly then people are going to comment.

It would be interesting to know what the groundswell of public opinion in Germany is about this case - are there public protests outside Braunschweig's PP office protesting about CB's human rights I wonder?  Are his human rights being discussed on the German version of Newsnight?  Has he become some sort of Assange-like cult hero on his home turf?  If not, I wonder why not....

[G-Unit]

If torture is a violation of human rights, then Leonor Cipriano had her human rights violated - discuss.

Different case, different human right allegedly breached, different country. Not helpful or relevant imo.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Different case, different human right allegedly breached, different country. Not helpful or relevant imo.

Obviously not helpful to be reminded of the hypocrisy of some bleating about Bruckner's rights while staying entirely mute about Cipriano's, or even arguing that she deserved what she got.  The thing they both have in common is that they are both human, and therefore human rights apply to them both equally no?

[barrier]

A poster in another place said,

"Some people are simply devoid of soul. No humanity at all, yet they walk among us. Destroying people is an elixir they drink for sport."

Who do you believe hold the moral high ground those who believe a paedo abused and murdered Madeleine or those that don't believe he did.

[Mr Gray]

It isn't acceptable whatever the circumstances. It's ignoring someone's human rights.

Thats your opinion.. In this instance I think it's justified.
Everytime a person is held on remand it's a potential breach of human rights.. Has anyone taken a case to The ECHR.

In my view you have shown you are more interested in CB's rights than Madeleine's... Shame on you. Madeleine deserves justice

[Vertigo Swirl]

Who do you believe hold the moral high ground those who believe a paedo abused and murdered Madeleine or those that don't believe he did.

I don't believe it's a competition about which theory is the most morally correct, however I would argue that those who have spent nearly 15 years actively promoting on social media the idea that the McCanns were involved in their child's disappearance are a bit warped and in some cases quite deeply unpleasant, obsessive individuals.  All IMO, ob

[barrier]

Thats your opinion.. In this instance I think it's justified.
Everytime a person is held on remand it's a potential breach of human rights.. Has anyone taken a case to The ECHR.

In my view you have shown you are more interested in CB's rights than Madeleine's... Shame on you. Madeleine deserves justice

CB isn't on remand concerning Madeleines case, thats the difference. Madeleine deserves justice which is and never has been served in public.

[jassi]

CB isn't on remand concerning Madeleines case, thats the difference. Madeleine deserves justice which is and never has been served in public.

He's not on remand for anything, is he ?
He is serving a prison sentence and has no outstanding charges against him, as far as I'm aware.

[Brietta]

Who do you believe hold the moral high ground those who believe a paedo abused and murdered Madeleine or those that don't believe he did.

Gross! 

[G-Unit]

Thats your opinion.. In this instance I think it's justified.
Everytime a person is held on remand it's a potential breach of human rights.. Has anyone taken a case to The ECHR.

In my view you have shown you are more interested in CB's rights than Madeleine's... Shame on you. Madeleine deserves justice

It's not a competition between one person's human rights and another's. What a strange suggestion. The crime committed against Madeleine McCann should be investigated but, equally, the investigation should be properly conducted.

[Vertigo Swirl]

It's not a competition between one person's human rights and another's. What a strange suggestion. The crime committed against Madeleine McCann should be investigated but, equally, the investigation should be properly conducted.

In terms of being assured a fair trial what essentially is the difference between an official working on a case stating someone is guilty and an ex-official who had worked on the same case stating exactly the same thing?  How does being an ex-official lessen the likelihood that a judge or jury will be swayed by their publicity campaign of finger pointing?  More difficult questions for which I don't expect an answer....

[The General]

He's not on remand for anything, is he ?
He is serving a prison sentence and has no outstanding charges against him, as far as I'm aware.

That's right. It seems a unique position and one that simply wouldn't fly if he wasn't already in prison. This facet alone makes his treatment potentially 'unfair'. Cue the bleeding heart 'poor Maddie' posts that can't take the concept impartially and in isolation away from the MM case.

Can you imagine it happening here: "Well Janice is in Holloway for the manslaughter of her spouse (Keith)....and we know virtually 100% that she also killed his brother (Barry). But we'd like to appeal for information to the caller of phone number 07629 111 222 on the night in question, as we think this is a valuable lead. We have sent a letter to Barry's parents to tell them that we think Janice killed Barry, although we don't have a body, but have had no response.
We can't disclose what evidence we have and no, we haven't spoken to Janice, but she's free to refute our claims if she wants, but she hasn't thus far.
I can confirm that a documentary maker focusing on the case and her previous conviction, has asked us to look at their program to see if it impinges on our investigation, but it doesn't as there's nothing new, so we have allowed its transmission. Janice is free to object through the proper channels is she feels differently.
I will not answer any questions, but I will keep you fully briefed on bi-weekly basis on developments"

[Mr Gray]

It's not a competition between one person's human rights and another's. What a strange suggestion. The crime committed against Madeleine McCann should be investigated but, equally, the investigation should be properly conducted.

You are the one mentioning competition not me... Its a balance. If Wolters actions have provided evidence beyond all doubt of CBs guilts is that worth it.. Or if he is guilty is it better he walks free

[Brietta]

It's not a competition between one person's human rights and another's. What a strange suggestion. The crime committed against Madeleine McCann should be investigated but, equally, the investigation should be properly conducted.

The first protocol which was broken as far as Brueckner is concerned was - The ex-cop, removed as head of the Madeleine McCann probe in October 2007 for criticising the British police, made his latest comments about the case on a show called 'En El Punta de Mira' about missing adults and children which was aired on Spanish national TV station Cuatro.

Using this vehicleAmaral continued with his slurs against Madeleine’s parents and his conspiracy theories against the British State. Later with the addition of a brand new bogey man; not the suspect – but the German Prosecutor the press having failed to pick up his initial subliminal podcast reveal.

Former Portuguese police chief Goncalo Amaral has claimed for the first time a German paedophile probed over Madeleine McCann's disappearance is not Martin Ney.

The ex-cop sparked speculation Hamburg-born child strangler Ney was the prime suspect after telling an Australian podcast earlier this year investigators were focusing on a German paedophile in prison.

He failed to identify Ney by name at the time, describing the suspect only as someone who had been ruled out of the investigation into the missing British youngster in 2008 but later jailed in his home country.

Now Amaral, the original lead investigator in the case, has fuelled new speculation about his identity by telling a Spanish TV programme: 'A paedophile who is German and serving life for killing children has been spoken about.
'What I know is that the suspect is not him, it's another man. He's also in prison in Germany. He's also a paedophile.
'Years later, many years later, it appears that in an Internet chatroom there is a conversation between that person and another person where they talk about Madeleine.'

He responded: 'It can't be him' when he was shown a photo of Ney before adding in a false and vile jibe at Madeleine McCann's father: ...

Police in the UK and Portugal, who are leading separate investigations into Madeleine McCann's May 3 2007 disappearance from the Algarve holiday resort of Praia da Luz, declined to comment on Portuguese reports around the 12th anniversary that investigators had a 'new lead and a new suspect.'

The Policia Judiciaria said in a statement released in May after leading Portuguese daily Correio da Manha said a new suspect had been flagged up to investigators in Lisbon and Porto by Scotland Yard: 'The investigation into the disappearance of an English child in Praia da Luz in 2007, remains open within the framework of an investigation supervised by Portimao's Public Ministry.
'This investigation has been developed in conjunction with international authorities, following police and judicial rules of cooperation justified by the circumstances of the situation.
'The PJ does not feel it is appropriate to make any further clarifications in the interests of the investigation.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7741505/Ex-Portuguese-police-chief-claims-leading-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-mystery-German-paedophile.html

Without Amaral's blatant leaks to the media at a very sensitive time in the investigation I suspect that even now we might still not have been aware of Brueckner and Hazel Behan would still have been ignorant of the rape perpetrated by him which so mirrored her horrific experience.
Sceptics would have been spared the angst of having to safeguard Brueckner's so next time you criticise the Germans, please give a brief nod to the circumstances in which Brueckner's name arrived in the public domain.

[Mr Gray]

That's right. It seems a unique position and one that simply wouldn't fly if he wasn't already in prison. This facet alone makes his treatment potentially 'unfair'. Cue the bleeding heart 'poor Maddie' posts that can't take the concept impartially and in isolation away from the MM case.

Can you imagine it happening here: "Well Janice is in Holloway for the manslaughter of her spouse (Keith)....and we know virtually 100% that she also killed his brother (Barry). But we'd like to appeal for information to the caller of phone number 07629 111 222 on the night in question, as we think this is a valuable lead. We have sent a letter to Barry's parents to tell them that we think Janice killed Barry, although we don't have a body, but have had no response.
We can't disclose what evidence we have and no, we haven't spoken to Janice, but she's free to refute our claims if she wants, but she hasn't thus far.
I can confirm that a documentary maker focusing on the case and her previous conviction, has asked us to look at their program to see if it impinges on our investigation, but it doesn't as there's nothing new, so we have allowed its transmission. Janice is free to object through the proper channels is she feels differently.
I will not answer any questions, but I will keep you fully briefed on bi-weekly basis on developments"

As I've repeatedly said it depends what evidence Wolters has and he should be judged once it's known. You are prejudging Wolters.. Yet you object to him prejudging CB.